Why "All Lives Matters" is wrong

[Farm Boy]

It doesn't kink if it's articulated.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It wasn't where I thought the kink might be.

 

[Farm Boy]

Huh. So more like a jackknife?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Huh. So more like a jackknife?

No knives required. I was just acknowledging that while badge licking for most people is sycophancy, in your house maybe it is foreplay.

 

[Farm Boy]

Swtichblade? Just gotta know where to press.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Swtichblade? Just gotta know where to press.

I'll pass, thanks. I carry my own.

 

[Farm Boy]

Spoiler I hate it when I get it twisted :

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I dunno which would be the greater concern...the angry red or the green.

 

[Berzerker]

The police dispatcher tells him not to follow Trayvon. The possibilities are that you haven't listened to the recording in question (I did) or you failed to comprehend what you were hearing. Or, I guess, the third possibility is that you're just lying about it, but why you would do that I can't imagine.

I listened to the recording, Zimmerman was huffing and puffing because he was already out of his truck trying to see where Martin had run off to and then the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow. Thats when Zimmerman told the dispatcher he didn't know where he (Martin) went but figured he was headed for an entrance. They agreed Zimmerman would meet the cops back at his truck, he didn't make it. Martin didn't run off, he was hiding. And when Zimmerman came back his way he confronted and attacked him. If y'all have facts saying otherwise, where are they?

So, now you flip-flopped back to "Zimmerman watching"... So to recap... First you say "he wasn't stalking he was watching", then you say "he wasn't watching or stalking" then you go back to "he was obviously watching"... and the "obviously" is a nice touch, because it implies that you've been consistent, when in fact, you haven't.

First, he was in his truck watching Martin (he was not "stalking"). Then he lost Martin, he was neither watching or following him at that point because he didn't know where he went. Zimmerman thought he went to an entrance to the complex. He considered meeting the cops at that entrance but instead his truck became the meeting place.

And yes, obviously... Again... this incident "BEGAN with Zimmerman"s actions... Another simpler way of putting exactly what you just said is... Zimmerman started it. Zimmerman began this incident. Zimmerman created this whole situation.

Started what? Martin was loitering by the mailboxes when Zimmerman noticed him. Martin approached Zimmerman, walked around his vehicle, and headed down a path into the complex. Zimmerman got out of his truck to see which direction he went. Not seeing Martin he went thru the T in the paths to the next street leading down to an entrance. During this time Zimmerman was talking to 911 and thats when he was instructed not to follow. He went back to his truck to meet the cops and Martin intercepted him near the T and attacked him.

And while we're on the subject of "strawmaning"... your statement ... "that doesn't mean he was watching him the entire time" is the strawman. "Watching him the whole time"? What does that even mean? Why is that relevant? That claim was never part of the discussion in any way. Textbook strawman.

Here's your straw man again:

Zimmerman wasn't watching or 'stalking' anything, he didn't know where Martin was and thought he ran off in the direction of a rear entrance and even told the cops that before Martin attacked him. So he headed back to his truck and was intercepted by Martin. He got attacked, knocked to the ground, and Martin was on top beating him before the gun entered the picture. All facts matter...

You took those 3 words to accuse me of a contradiction, ie Zimmerman was watching Martin, Zimmerman wasn't watching Martin. When I had to explain that isn't a contradiction because Zimmerman wasn't watching Martin the entire time, you called that a straw man.

Finally, you said "Zimmerman lost sight of Martin at about the same time he left his truck"... So what you are essentially trying to claim now is that Zimmerman couldn't have been "watching" Trayvon, because he had lost sight of him by the time he left his truck behind. Your whole "wasn't watching him the whole time" strawman is based on this premise... So again...

If he lost sight of him...Why did he leave the truck?

To regain sight of him? He wanted to look down the path and street to see if Martin was heading for the entrance so he could direct the cops to that entrance, he wasn't trying to catch him or keep up. Why is that a straw man? You accused me of saying Zimmerman wasn't watching Martin when what I said was Zimmerman wasn't watching Martin after he ran off into the complex.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I dunno which would be the greater concern...the angry red or the green.

Point of order... Lonestar's schwarz was yellow not red... its just a poor quality video. Another bit of useless but fun trivia is that schwarz means "black"

Also... Angry green always beats angry red...

 

[Gori the Grey]

No, in one of the movies doesn't Iron Man have a whole version of his suit designed specifically for Hulk-containment/pacification?

 

[Synobun]

No, in one of the movies doesn't Iron Man have a whole version of his suit designed specifically for Hulk-containment/pacification?

You're looking at it in the gif above, no?

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yeah, but later in the scene, doesn't it work? Sommer has chosen his green-beats-red video evidence selectively (and availed himself of my old-man inability to post refutational videos).

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So, has anyone been keeping count? How many times has Berzerker said "Zimmerman followed him" and immediately recanted with "but he wasn't following him"?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, but later in the scene, doesn't it work? Sommer has chosen his green-beats-red video evidence selectively (and availed himself of my old-man inability to post refutational videos).

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Hulk beats the crap out of it.

 

[Gori the Grey]

A thing on the internet says this:

• Thanks to the XLIV suit, Iron Man is the first and so far only character to defeat the Hulk in battle.

Hulkbuster, the suit is called.

 

[Sommerswerd]

So, has anyone been keeping count? How many times has Berzerker said "Zimmerman followed him" and immediately recanted with "but he wasn't following him"?

I stopped counting at 5

Hulkbuster, the suit is called.

My 5 year old has a toy of it and sounds adorable saying "Hoowkbiwuhstur"

 

[Gori the Grey]

All right, so concede that angry green doesn't always beat red.

A child knows as much. Plus an old guy who goes to movies.

Iron lives matter!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

All right, so concede that angry green doesn't always beat red.

A child knows as much. Plus an old guy who goes to movies.

Iron lives matter!

I think all that can be said for the "hulkbuster" is that hulk didn't bust it too bad. In the end hulk had one of his "aw, crap, people are getting hurt here" moments and the fight ended. Draw at best.

 

[Synobun]

I would really like to see a movie where the Hulk is truly uncontrollable but know that would never happen since he's a "hero". The damage he'd be capable of is tremendous.

And just think of the police reform it'd usher in! Be a good cop or they'll sic the Hulk on ya.