Why are so many people in this country so ignorant?

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That brought back so many happy memories of the holy stone of Clonrichert.
 
Except Thor is fictional, and lightning can be explained.

I think that is exactly Ziggy's point. Why believe one creation myth over another? And don't say it's the word of god as that's a circular arguement.
 
God of the gaps reasoning is silly. Increasingly silly, since the Gaps are growing narrower and the rhetoric to make Him fit in there becomes increasingly desperate to the point where one simply makes a statement: "that one has not been willing to look at the words of God and see how He has created this wonderful and incredibly complicated thing called Life." and believes that really proves anything.

It's a Scientific Theory based on an ever growing mountain of evidence versus a statement of faith. And I am supposed to not only regard them equally, but I have to value the statement of faith over the scientific one on people's say so. And I'm the ignorant one.

Yeah, right.
 
IAnd I am supposed to not only regard them equally, but I have to value the statement of faith over the scientific one on people's say so. And I'm the ignorant one.

Yeah, right.
No, you're supposed to do what you choose, not what someone else says. Jesus says choose, not submit. it's totally up to you and if you don't want to believe the truth, just take it up with God later, but it's no sweat off my brow. *hugs* :)
 
Except Thor is fictional, and lightning can be explained.
Actually, Thor is an animistic entity at heart, so as long as thunder and lightning exist, so does Thor. Pagan deities are- or at least, can be- intended to express or illustrate natural phenomena, not to explain them.

Y'know, for the record. :mischief:
 
No, you're supposed to do what you choose, not what someone else says. Jesus says choose, not submit. it's totally up to you and if you don't want to believe the truth, just take it up with God later, but it's no sweat off my brow. *hugs* :)
I appreciate the sentiment, but how do I know it's the truth? What would I base my belief on?
 
God of the gaps reasoning is silly. Increasingly silly, since the Gaps are growing narrower and the rhetoric to make Him fit in there becomes increasingly desperate to the point where one simply makes a statement: "that one has not been willing to look at the words of God and see how He has created this wonderful and incredibly complicated thing called Life." and believes that really proves anything.

It's a Scientific Theory based on an ever growing mountain of evidence versus a statement of faith. And I am supposed to not only regard them equally, but I have to value the statement of faith over the scientific one on people's say so. And I'm the ignorant one.

Yeah, right.

I would think that this would only apply if you are attempting to say exactly what God is. If you are not qualifying him, because it is impossible to do so, then there is no need to reshape when new scientific theory and evidence comes to light.
 
I would think that this would only apply if you are attempting to say exactly what God is. If you are not qualifying him, because it is impossible to do so, then there is no need to reshape when new scientific theory and evidence comes to light.
I would think that as well :)
 
Except Thor is fictional, and lightning can be explained.

So say hypothetically in 50 years if we are able to create sentient robots will you still say God exists even though a "soul" can be explained.
 
No, you're supposed to do what you choose, not what someone else says. Jesus says choose, not submit. it's totally up to you and if you don't want to believe the truth, just take it up with God later, but it's no sweat off my brow. *hugs* :)

So what are we to make of "Blessed is he who has not seen, and yet believes." Even when I was Catholic that one always bugged me as being wrong. And if an 8y.o. can see it for what it is, i.e. don't question, don't ask, just believe what you're told, then how come grown people can't. Not saying you VRCW (what do they stand for?) I believe you have actually thought your way into the position you hold, even though I often disagree with it, but I know lots of people (and not just on the interwebs) who do actually think it's a good philosophy.
 
Except Thor is fictional, and lightning can be explained.

The point you're missing is that gods are fictional...but I won't expect you to notice that.
 
So say hypothetically in 50 years if we are able to create sentient robots will you still say God exists even though a "soul" can be explained.

In principle i'm with you, but i still think you are a bit optimistic here. How said Saxe so nicely at Ted:
"It's not called the hard problem of consciousness for nothing."
 
Evidence would be nice. Now, which of us is going to get off his or her butt and dig some up?

I guess that would be me.

According to the 2002 National Geographic survey,
Americans ages 18 to 24 came in next to last among nine countries in the National Geographic-Roper 2002 Global Geographic Literacy Survey, which quizzed more than 3,000 young adults in Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, and the United States. Top scorers were young adults in Sweden, Germany, and Italy.

So, in geography, for a certain age group, we really are more ignorant.

Next, let's do the math:

In one 1989 study, students in eight different countries were tested for math skills. While the contingent of Korean students scored the highest, their American counterparts cam in last. After taking the test but before learning the results, the students were polled on how well they believed they had done. The American students displayed the highest confidence of any group.

OK, so we are ignorant about geography, about math, and about how ignorant we are. Oh joy.

My work here is done, at least for now. I wouldn't want to actually, you know, learn something.
 
Might I ask how they conducted their survey and which students in the United States they conducted it on?

2002 is 8 years old so before accepting that is the facts I would come up with something more recent.
 
Might I ask how they conducted their survey and which students in the United States they conducted it on?

2002 is 8 years old so before accepting that is the facts I would come up with something more recent.

They only polled 500 people in the US and 300 people in the other countries. It wasn't necessarily students, but former students since it was 18-24 year olds so may be a better indication of teaching the students to retain geography knowledge after high school than saying the Americans never learned the stuff to begin with. And the survey was geared to try to sell the idea of the need for National Geographic in American schools, so if there is any bias it is to make the US look bad.

When 30% can't find the Pacific Ocean you have to really wonder how many of those answers were joke answers. The other countries didn't perform that much better than the US, and should be nearly as ashamed (and more so in some cases). 40% in France and 50% in Great Britain can't find the Pacific Ocean.

The math survey being 21 years old is even more obsolete.
 
That just proves that they are either deliberately selecting the worst answers or are actively seeking out genuinely ignorant people. There is no way that one in every two people who have gone through the British educational system cannot find the Pacific Ocean on a map!
 
That just proves that they are either deliberately selecting the worst answers or are actively seeking out genuinely ignorant people. There is no way that one in every two people who have gone through an educational system cannot find the Pacific Ocean on a map!

Fixed.
 
Well, that too. :D
 
The math survey being 21 years old is even more obsolete.

Then by all means, find better and more recent data. When you go to a potluck and don't bring anything, do you complain about the food?
 
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