Why do you support gun ownership?

[Tycoon101]

And many of these statistics are about criminals killing civilians, not civilians killing civilians.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

The main reason I support gun ownership is because providing harsher gun control won't stop determined criminals from obtaining weapons. Back channel ways will always be open to criminals. I say the solution is more thorough background checks.

 

[.Shane.]

Abbadon, your Liberal propoganda will not phase me, is it a reliable source?

Can you argue w/ out resorting to stereotyping? You'll just ruin any chance for a discussion.

GOOD GOD, he used the NRA page in one of his first links, are they liberals too now?

 

[MobBoss]

oh, heres some quick google proof:


Gun Violence in America



http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/phil.html

I feel the need to point out that the #1 killer of kids age 15-24 is motor vehicle accidents....so should we ban vehicles based upon that statistic?

As for over all causes of death here is a great link: http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html

Over all age groups you will notice that homicides (of which firearms cause the majority) to be way down the list at #15. Enjoy.

Edit fixed the link...just hit run.

 

[warpus]

I feel the need to point out that the #1 killer of kids age 15-24 is motor vehicle accidents....so should we ban vehicles based upon that statistic?

As for over all causes of death here is a great link: http://webapp.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Over all age groups you will notice that homicides (of which firearms cause the majority) to be way down the list at #15. Enjoy.

Difference is that vehicles are designed as a form of transportation - guns are designed to kill.

 

[Abaddon]

Abbadon, your Liberal propoganda will not phase me, is it a reliable source? It doesn't sound real. Can you cross-reference that report with others by a CREDIBLE source? I'm asking YOU to show me real-life facts that are not from 5 years ago!

What would a credible sourse be for you? the BBC?:

in America - where 12 children are killed every day in gun-related incidents -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/748787.stm

 

[MobBoss]

Difference is that vehicles are designed as a form of transportation - guns are designed to kill.

And yet, they cause significantly more deaths....so, if they kill so many, they have to be bad right?

Plus the pollution.

Cough.

Just think of how many lives we would save worldwide if we just banned vehicles.

Edit: And I just thought of something else. Since we dont have an explicit right to own vehicles like we do guns under the 2nd amendment, it would be far easier to ban vehicles. Dont you agree?

 

[Abaddon]

And many of these statistics are about criminals killing civilians, not civilians killing civilians.

So? the criminals got the guns LEGALLY!

An im not "liberal" or whatever.. im English thankyou

 

[Abaddon]

And yet, they cause significantly more deaths....so, if they kill so many, they have to be bad right?

Plus the pollution.

Cough.

when a gun kills, its working right, when a car kills, its gone wrong. Isnt that simple enough to understand.

Also, laws and design are constantly chage to reduce car related deaths.. can the same be said of guns?

 

[Tycoon101]

So? the criminals got the guns LEGALLY!

An im not "liberal" or whatever.. im English thankyou

Are you sure that they got the guns legally? They may, but they could also get guns from the black market.

And sorry for thinking that you are American.

 

[Tycoon101]

Also, laws and design are constantly chage to reduce car related deaths.. can the same be said of guns?

Do the laws against cars work? I think that laws prohibiting both are fairly ineffectual.

 

[warpus]

And yet, they cause significantly more deaths....so, if they kill so many, they have to be bad right?

Plus the pollution.

Cough.

Just think of how many lives we would save worldwide if we just banned vehicles.

Edit: And I just thought of something else. Since we dont have an explicit right to own vehicles like we do guns under the 2nd amendment, it would be far easier to ban vehicles. Dont you agree?

It would be - but I disagree with the premise that the 2nd ammendment gives you the right to own a gun. It technically does - but the reasoning behind it is outdated and should no longer apply.

 

[Abaddon]

thing is, they can get the guns quite easily.. couldnt do that in the UK.

 

[Abaddon]

Do the laws against cars work? I think that laws prohibiting both are fairly ineffectual.

Well if you and i were to have a game of chicken, id much rather be in an Encap 5 star car, than something from the 80's.. yourlikely to get smashed to smithereens, i should he shaken, but survive.

 

[MobBoss]

when a gun kills, its working right, when a car kills, its gone wrong. Isnt that simple enough to understand.

Incorrect. A gun doesnt kill. The person using it does. Same goes with vehicles.

Also, laws and design are constantly chage to reduce car related deaths.. can the same be said of guns?

Yes, trigger locks for example and laws to punish those irresponsible and leave them out for kids to play with. Also, dont forget the widespread use of gun safety classes to educate and lessen accident and injuries. Most definitely yes.

 

[Tycoon101]

thing is, they can get the guns quite easily.. couldnt do that in the UK.

Sail to another country, or ask a friend to smuggle them in. I believe that laws prohibiting gun ownership are ineffectual in regard to criminals.

Incorrect. A gun doesnt kill. The person using it does. Same goes with vehicles.

The obligatory joke:
guns don't kill people, Chick Norris kills people.

 

[MobBoss]

It would be - but I disagree with the premise that the 2nd ammendment gives you the right to own a gun. It technically does - but the reasoning behind it is outdated and should no longer apply.

Outdated? How? You KNOW you need a gun to keep Bush from being a dictator!!!

AND DONT YOU FORGET IT!

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

What is your reason for supporting gun ownership.

If you don't, don't worry, there'll be an option on the poll for that too.

I don't support gun ownership in the sense that everyone should be entitled to it. Only those who have some specific reason to own guns should be allowed to have them. If you are a law enforcement officer, or military, or other similar such profession, it stands to reason that you should be armed. Otherwise, only special dispensation should allow anyon else from owning a weapon.

Oh, and btw, the Constitution says that you can only bear arms if you are part of a militia, not carrying one to knock of some punk.

 

[.Shane.]

Also, laws and design are constantly chage to reduce car related deaths.. can the same be said of guns?

When brings me to one of my favorite points. In the US the NRA has so brain-washed people that you can barely discuss realistic ways of preventing firearm deaths/injuries w/out being label a "Gun-hater" or "Anti-American" or some other stupidly inaccurate label.

Its like saying that being pro-safety belts or pro-airbag makes you "anti-car" or a "hater of freedom".

As another poster pointed out, the gun culture in the US is too entrenched and there way too many guns in circulation to truly "ban" guns.

However, the things I'm for are simple and would do no harm to anyone who truly is a hunter or interested in home defense.

I would:
*outlaw all non-standard ammo. No one needs armor-piercing rounds or hollow-tips, etc...
*ban body armor sales unless you have a license for a specific job type.
*ban all types of guns besides pistols and hunting rifles/shotguns.
*require trigger locks or some other similar safety measure for all guns.
*require locking gun cabinets for anyone who owns guns
*private and flea-market sales of guns should have the same legal requirements re: background checks as regular gun stores.
*gun safety classes for all owners of guns.

To varying degrees, some of these things may have already be done. Laws vary widely from state to state.

I'm not anti-gun, I'm pro-safety and pro-family.

These ideas are designed to protect me and my family and friends from all gun-toting idiots w/ their "cold dead hands" bumper stickers, gun racks, and Soldier of Fortune subscriptions who can't properly handle their guns or train themselves or them family on them, as well as from a wide range of weapon types and ammo types that have no real, practical purpose other than to kill people.

 

[Tycoon101]

I don't support gun ownership in the sense that everyone should be entitled to it. Only those who have some specific reason to own guns should be allowed to have them. If you are a law enforcement officer, or military, or other similar such profession, it stands to reason that you should be armed. Otherwise, only special dispensation should allow anyon else from owning a weapon.

Oh, and btw, the Constitution says that you can only bear arms if you are part of a militia, not carrying one to knock of some punk.

But I'm part of the American militia! If we own a gun then we are automatically enlisted in the militia, thus I own the right to own a gun.