Why have more people died in the name of Jesus than any person alive ???

[Perfection]

You're all wrong the biggest killers are disease carried by men/women easilly without any shadow of a doubt, although I will maintain this by providing a link.

Actually you're wrong! Death is the biggest killer! Everyone is eventually killed by death!

Come now, certainly you undesrtand that we're not talking about diseases, we're talking about people, people aren't diseases (except for American Idol contestants who are tumors on society)

I'm sure there are plenty of other links out there to support my notions, but since the level of evidence for Jesus and Hitler currently stands at someones opinion, I'm happy with this one

I'd do a researched quantatibve analysis, but I'm too lazy.

 

[Perfection]

wouldnt the same be true of Jesus?

Nah, they'd be saying that they're killing to spread Christ's love or something.

Religion screws with people.

 

[Sidhe]

Actually you're wrong! Death is the biggest killer! Everyone is eventually killed by death!

Come now, certainly you undesrtand that we're not talking about diseases, we're talking about people, people aren't diseases (except for American Idol contestants who are tumors on society)


I'd do a researched quantatibve analysis, but I'm too lazy.

I think you missed the point, I was refering to disease vectors as being the biggest killers, the primary vectors are people. therefore if you read the links it's people moving into new populations that don't have immunity to the disease that kill the most people. People kill people, hosts, transport vessels.

Good analogy for religion though don't you think, it's not the religion that kills it's the people who do the killing, it's a disease only when it comes into contact with a human and alters it's orginal structure, then human nature kicks in and causes the disease to multiply and spread in ways unforseen by religion itself. Memes are like viruses. We don't blame malaria for killing people though, not unless were daft, blame the humanity not the religion, christianity in it's pure form is without stain. It's the evil that men do that's the problem.

 

[Oruc]

Nah, they'd be saying that they're killing to spread Christ's love or something.

Religion screws with people.

your actually agreeing with me, as what you have described is twisting Christs message.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

I dunno, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler were one-hit wonders, while Jesus remains a classic.

 

[Perfection]

I think you missed the point, I was refering to disease vectors as being the biggest killers, the primary vectors are people. therefore if you read the links it's people moving into new populations that don't have immunity to the disease that kill the most people. People kill people, hosts, transport vessels.

Yeah, but we're talking about single people not groups of them, so your point still smells like cat urine.

your actually agreeing with me, as what you have described is twisting Christs message.

Yeah, but it's still in his name. Commies aren't going out and killing people shouting "For Karl Marx!"

 

[Oruc]

Yeah, but we're talking about single people not groups of them, so your point still smells like cat urine.


Yeah, but it's still in his name. Commies aren't going out and killing people shouting "For Karl Marx!"

I doubt many people go out killing people shouting "for Jesus Christ!" either, maybe Deus Vult during the Crusades, but that would imply God not Jesus.

 

[Sidhe]

Yeah, but we're talking about single people not groups of them, so your point still smells like cat urine.


Yeah, but it's still in his name. Commies aren't going out and killing people shouting "For Karl Marx!"

OK let's make this easy for mr lazy, basically it's not Jesus that kills people it's ideologies, or corruptions of religions or governmental styles, Did Stalin run across Russia killing millions of people single handedly, cmon the OP's orgiginal point is completely without logical merit, you even said why, but obviously you forgot your own words, people are messed up by religion, not one person, Hitler did not kill 3 million jews without a little help, he is not singly responsible for their deaths. And Jesus is not responsible for millions of deaths at the hands of armies, idiots and the proselytisers of corruption.

Please try to keep up perfection, you had the answer but instead you chose to mock me for providing insight into your own camp, nm. It's often wise not to make adverseries of those who are on your side in a discussion.

 

[Perfection]

I doubt many people go out killing people shouting "for Jesus Christ!" either, maybe Deus Vult during the Crusades, but that would imply God not Jesus.

God-Jesus, Jesus-God, it's all one and the same! You know, the whole trinity thing!

OK let's make this easy for mr lazy, basically it's not Jesus that kills people it's ideologies, or corruptions of religions or governmental styles, Did Stalin run across Russia killing millions of people single handedly, cmon the OP's orgiginal point is completely without logical merit, you even said why, but obviously you forgot your own words, people are messed up by religion, not one person, Hitler did not kill 3 million jews without a little help, he is not singly responsible for their deaths. And Jesus is not responsible for millions of deaths at the hands of armies, idiots and the proselytisers of corruption.

When the hell did I say that Jesus was responsible? All I'm saying is that there might be more people who have killed iin Jesus' name then anyone elses. Please try to keep up on what I'm saying!

Please try to keep up perfection, you had the answer but instead you chose to mock me for providing insight into your own camp, nm.

No, you mistook my answer and in your hubris thought you could pin some pathetic strawman on me.

It's often wise not to make adverseries of those who are on your side in a discussion.

And who's side am I on? This isn't a battle, silly. It's a discussion, and I'll criticize whoever the heck I want!

 

[Sidhe]

God-Jesus, Jesus-God, it's all one and the same! You know, the whole trinity thing!

When the hell did I say that Jesus was responsible? All I'm saying is that there might be more people who have killed iin Jesus' name then anyone elses. Please try to keep up on what I'm saying!

No, you mistook my answer and in your hubris thought you could pin some pathetic strawman on me.

And who's side am I on? This isn't a battle, silly. It's a discussion, and I'll criticize whoever the heck I want!

It's patently obvious your picking on my posts perfection, the trouble is I'm on your side, so why bother?

Christ your hard work, you didn't but the original post puts the idea that somehow Christs version of Christiaity is responsible, you said it well enough that it's not the religion it's how it gets twisted, I tried to use an analogy about disease to support this, you chose to ignore it and pick holes in something that was meant to be analagous to your own argument, and chose to dismiss the whole idea of what I was getting at to make some small point that actually if you think about it fell apart when you realised I wasn't really talking about disease, I moved on you stayed enamoured of the original posts. K now can we proceed? Or do we have to argue against each other for the same side for no apparent reason?

 

[Xanikk999]

It seems kind of strange that more people have died in Jesus and Christianty than any ohter religon or person on Earth??? What I find odd aboght this is that the WHOLE teachings of is and Christianty is abought peace yet somehow it got translated into lanching people into Crusades.I just dose'nt make any sence to me could someone explane the logic behind this???

I cant think of many christian wars outside the crusades and maybe a few others in the middle ages.

However islamic wars have been going on since the first conquests started after muhammad died, and they continue to go on.

All im saying is how can you prove more have died in christianities name then any other religion? I dont think its possible. In fact its highly debatable.

 

[MobBoss]

I dunno, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler were one-hit wonders, while Jesus remains a classic. His deaths tend to accumulate over the centuries rather than going out in short spectacular bursts. There's just so much stuff that was done in the name of Jesus, crusades, inquisitions, the whole reformation European infighting, the LRA, and those are just the top sellers. There's all sorts of nickle-and-dime homosexual killing, witch burning and abortion clinic bombings. That kind of stuff adds up!

You dont think people are still dying in Mao, Stalin or Hitler's name today? /shrug.

I daresay more people have been killed in the 20th Century conflicts than all combined in the last 2000 years. Anyone got a calculator?

 

[Perfection]

It's patently obvious your picking on my posts perfection,

I've responded to plenty of other people, I'm an equal oppurtunity poster

the trouble is I'm on your side, so why bother?

Once again, there are sides? And sheesh, for being on my side you certainly have a funny way of showing it.

Christ your hard work, you didn't but the original post puts the idea that somehow Christs version of Christiaity is responsible, you said it well enough that it's not the religion it's how it gets twisted, I tried to use an analogy about disease to support this, you chose to ignore it and pick holes in something that was meant to be analagous to your own argument, and chose to dismiss the whole idea of what I was getting at to make some small point that actually if you think about it fell apart when you realised I wasn't really talking about disease, I moved on you stayed enamoured of the original posts. K now can we proceed? Or do we have to argue against each other for the same side for no apparent reason?

You really need to work on your analogies. They're not very good.

 

[Perfection]

You dont think people are still dying in Mao, Stalin or Hitler's name today? /shrug.

Not as many as Jesus, just ask the LRA! There are a few killing in those folks names but not too many.

I daresay more people have been killed in the 20th Century conflicts than all combined in the last 2000 years. Anyone got a calculator?

I have a TI89 Titanium!

But I'm too lazy to do the research.

Of course, that really doesn't answer the original question.

 

[Sidhe]

I've responded to plenty of other people, I'm an equal oppurtunity poster
Once again, there are sides? And sheesh, for being on my side you certainly have a funny way of showing it.

You really need to work on your analogies. They're not very good.

Why is it a bad analogy, to be honest it's not my analogy it's a philosophers, I just pinched it to make a point, I think he may of pinched it himself from Richard Dawkins, the inventor of memes. Send them an email and tell them their analogy sucks

I'll try and trawl up the link it comes from it's very entertaining, you'll love it.

 

[Perfection]

Why is it a bad analogy,

Because I didn't get it right away.

to be honest it's not my analogy it's a philosophers, I just pinched it to make a point, I think he may of pinched it himself from Richard Dawkins, the inventor of memes. Send them an email and tell them their analogy sucks

Well, maybe the analogy is fine and you just screwed up the delivery.

 

[Sidhe]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=150305&highlight=memes

I was working from memory, maybe this thread explains it better?

EDIT: This lectures much better though, funnier too:-

http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=1973

 

[Heretic_Cata]

It's all in the marketing.

Nicely put.

That's also the reason why i chose the "Path of the Heretical".
I had to make my own religion to believe in kuz i was just tired of listening to other people imposing their beliefs on me.
I was tired of following paths so i decided to make a path myself through the jungle ... it's the same destination, so why not.

 

[puglover]

I dunno, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler were one-hit wonders, while Jesus remains a classic. His deaths tend to accumulate over the centuries rather than going out in short spectacular bursts. There's just so much stuff that was done in the name of Jesus, crusades, inquisitions, the whole reformation European infighting, the LRA, and those are just the top sellers. There's all sorts of nickle-and-dime homosexual killing, witch burning and abortion clinic bombings. That kind of stuff adds up!

Greed and Hate take many guises. Everyone has a name they say they fight for. That doesn't say anything about Jesus, just proves that humans will adopt anything to their purposes.

 

[Perfection]

Greed and Hate take many guises. Everyone has a name they say they fight for. That doesn't say anything about Jesus, just proves that humans will adopt anything to their purposes.

Never said it did.