Why have more people died in the name of Jesus than any person alive ???

[Moss]

Some of you guys have been here a long time, and you still haven't figured out that everything that comes out of my dear friend, Perfection's, mouth is laced with sarcasm?

As regards to the topic...you can't really put a figure on how many people have died "in the name of Jesus" but I would say very few have ever died for the cause of Jesus. A few of the apostles obviously, and other people who have given their lives for the greater good of humanity, but most who claim they are giving their lives for Christ are not actually doing so, they are using his name to promote their own, concieted ideology.

 

[Perfection]

Some of you guys have been here a long time, and you still haven't figured out that everything that comes out of my dear friend, Perfection's, mouth is laced with sarcasm?

Sarcasm? Where?

As regards to the topic...you can't really put a figure on how many people have died "in the name of Jesus" but I would say very few have ever died for the cause of Jesus. A few of the apostles obviously, and other people who have given their lives for the greater good of humanity, but most who claim they are giving their lives for Christ are not actually doing so, they are using his name to promote their own, concieted ideology.

I suppose this is really about killing in the name of Jesus. That's really what the original poster meant.

 

[Quasar1011]

It seems kind of strange that more people have died in Jesus and Christianty than any ohter religon or person on Earth??? What I find odd aboght this is that the WHOLE teachings of is and Christianty is abought peace yet somehow it got translated into lanching people into Crusades.I just dose'nt make any sence to me could someone explane the logic behind this???

Okay, here goes. Firstly, Jesus predicted this:

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

What Jesus meant was, that the truth of His teachings would be fought over. There is an enemy out there. Sometimes he is called the devil, or Satan. Jesus also called him the father of lies. And in this passage, Jesus calls the devil "thief":

John 10:10
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

If I were the devil, I'd try to discredit Jesus, His teachings, and His followers too.

By the way, those crusaders you spoke of were acting against the teachings of Jesus...

 

[Ramius75]

Well, dont forget there is this Taiping rebellion in China under the name of christianity also, which claimed 20 millions live.

Ya, it adds up

I will say more men died in the name of the GOD than anything else. But all in all, its just territorial disputes in disguise.

Whatevere was used in the name is just for namesake.

 

[nonconformist]

"It is as wholly wrong to blame Marx for what was done in his name, as it is to blame Jesus for what was done in his"-Tony Benn.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Also, if we are really keeping score we should also add - at least partially - the annihilation of entire races to it too. I mean Pizarro may have captured and killed a few Inca villages here and there fueled by his avarica but would he have been able to wipe out the lot of Incas without the priests egging on his soldiers in the name of evangelism?

If by "Incas" you mean the people, they're still around. They suffered drastic demographic decline in the 16th C, mostly due to Old World diseases unwittingly spread by the Spaniards, but have long since recovered from that. The losses to direct warfare during the Conquest were pretty small.

 

[TheDervish]

Why have more people died in the name of Jesus than any person alive ???

Because Jesus died for our sins and we're trying to return the favor?

... in some perverted way of course

 

[silver 2039]

Well, dont forget there is this Taiping rebellion in China under the name of christianity also, which claimed 20 millions live.

Wasn't it like 130 million with the following famine as a result of the destroyed farmland and everything?

 

[Abaddon]

the name of god beats name of jesus easily.. a lot more people believe in a god...

 

[Veritass]

...you can't really put a figure on how many people have died "in the name of Jesus" but I would say very few have ever died for the cause of Jesus.

It is important to distinguish between the religion of Jesus and the religion about Jesus. The religion of Jesus as expressed in the New Testament bears little relation to the religion about Jesus that has prospered and proselytized through the first two millenia.

 

[Veritass]

the name of god beats name of jesus easily.. a lot more people believe in a god...

Yes, but my metaphor for God is much better than your metaphor for God, so you must either be converted or killed. At least that's what my God told me.

 

[Sidhe]

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By the way, those crusaders you spoke of were acting against the teachings of Jesus...

But strangely under the direction of the Pope, God's mouthpiece and infalable, when God said though shalt not kill, he did not mean infidels apparently, that's some serious papal "bulling", religion is a strange beast.

9. Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
10. Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit. nor yet torment it.
11. Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
12. Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet any thing which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
13. Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy.
14. Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor wilfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
15. Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
16. Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name.
17. Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the Teachers of Righteousness.
18. Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
19. Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits Of the earth, and live long in the land.
20. Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths and the Festival of your God.
21. Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.
22. And when the disciples heard these words, they smote upon their breasts, saying: Wherein we have offended. O God forgive us: and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us incline our hearts to love and keen this Holy Law.

Gospel of the Holy twelve.

Number 11 would be particularly hard to follow for Christians, I doubt these words of Jesus will be appearing in any Christian text any time soon eh?

 

[MobBoss]

But strangely under the direction of the Pope, God's mouthpiece and infalable, when God said though shalt not kill,

Once again....the correct translation is "murder" ...not "kill". There is a difference there in connotation.

Also, what is wrong with #11. Thou shalt not steal is obvious. And I take the rest of it to mean that one shouldnt fall into the sin of greed.

 

[Sidhe]

Once again....the correct translation is "murder" ...not "kill". There is a difference there in connotation.

Also, what is wrong with #11. Thou shalt not steal is obvious. And I take the rest of it to mean that one shouldnt fall into the sin of greed.

True but the Catholic church always translated it as kill, and still does AFAIK, thus when the Knights of the first crusade asked the Pope how they could kill men in the holy land, since God had said though shalt not kill, he thought for a few days and returned saying, yes my sons, but the law does not apply to infidels. I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist of it.

 

[Elrohir]

It seems kind of strange that more people have died in Jesus and Christianty than any ohter religon or person on Earth??? What I find odd aboght this is that the WHOLE teachings of is and Christianty is abought peace yet somehow it got translated into lanching people into Crusades.I just dose'nt make any sence to me could someone explane the logic behind this???

First, where do you get the idea that more people have died in the name of Christ, than anyone else? I would say more people have died because of the teachings of Marx and Engels (And through them, Lenin, Stalin and Mao) than Christ.

Second, I think we need to differentiate between those who die for Christ, and those who use Christ's name as a source of power. Many have died out of persecution of Christ and Christians, but they are different from those who just say "We're Christians, and acting for Christ", and then went around raping and pillaging to their hearts content, just using Christ as an excuse.

Third, a bit about the Crusades: Contrary to popular belief, in comparison to modern wars, the Crusades really weren't all that bloody. There simply weren't nearly as many people in the world then are there are now, or were 100 years ago, and therefore much fewer soldiers. An entire country like France could barely come up with enough soldiers as a single American Army Division during the Civil War. A lot of people died that didn't have to, but compared to modern wars, all of the Crusades together were little more than proacted skirmishes.

 

[Sidhe]

I agree, the Popes condoned the crusades Elrohir, not the atrocities commited in the name of war, who could have forseen the slaughter of Jerusalem, where most of the population men women and children were killed and even those Knights who tried to save the innocents were brushed aside? It comes back to the earlier points, you may act in the name of your church, but that does not mean you act in the name of God, it's a distinction humanity has had difficulty with for as long as religion has existed.

 

[Ramius75]

Wasn't it like 130 million with the following famine as a result of the destroyed farmland and everything?

that is debatable. but ya, many will died after that... thats the problem with civil war in china.

 

[DBear]

Why is this thread still open?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I guess not enough people have died yet.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Why is this thread still open?

Why should it be closed ?