Why should Antiabortionist care if others do an abortion???

[Cannae]

Answer me this: How often do rapes happen?

Rapes can be protected by carrying firearms or weaponry with you in order to stop the assailant. Rape is no excuse for abortion. I believe that the victim is responsible for being a victim.

That depneds where you live they can almost never happen in someplaces and they can happen quite frequntly it all depneds where you live.I aslo know that in England you are not allowed to have a gun.Are you saying that it is not ok to have an abortion even if raped.

 

[Elrohir]

Ok if you care aboght abortion so much what do you think of death row isn't that murder???

Because there is a difference between an adult who has committed murder, found guilt of it in a court of law, and executed for it, or (As several people seem to take issue with) killing a terrorist in Afghanistan, and killing an innocent child, not for any action which it has taken, but merely because it inconveniences the mother.

Can't you see the difference between the two?

Eran, I'm afraid I don't understand your position of legalized abortion in cases of rape. Does one heinous crime justify another, and against a truly innocent party? Rape is a despicable crime, yes - but should this one crime result in an even worse crime being committed? Do two wrongs make a right? I don't think so.

 

[Tycoon101]

Are you saying that it is not ok to have an abortion even if raped.

Sorry for derailing the thread. I'll try not to again.

No, I do not believe that anyone should have an abortion, but I don't expect anyone else to hold my bizzare views.

I don't know if they are up to snuff for Croxis, but here are some interesting pages:

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
http://www.eadshome.com/AbortionStories/AbortionStatistics.htm

Both Say that 7% of abortions are for rape or incest... 'Tis a pity.

 

[Elrohir]

Sorry for derailing the thread. I'll try not to again.

No, I do not believe that anyone should have an abortion, but I don't expect anyone else to hold my bizzare views.

I don't know if they are up to snuff for Croxis, but here are some interesting pages:

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
http://www.eadshome.com/AbortionStories/AbortionStatistics.htm

Both Say that 7% of abortions are for rape or incest... 'Tis a pity.

According to Wikipedia, the number in the US is 1% for rape, and .5% for incest.

 

[.Shane.]

I believe that the victim is responsible for being a victim.

Wow, you fell a few more notches.

That's low and despicable.

I really wish we could vote people off this forum.

 

[Tycoon101]

Wow, you fell a few more notches.

That's low and despicable.

I really wish we could vote people off this forum.

There's always the ignore list for those of you who do not wish to listen to me. I don't post here to have people like my opinions, I post here because I have opinions on an issue such as abortion.

 

[warpus]

Answer me this: How often do rapes happen?

Rapes can be protected by carrying firearms or weaponry with you in order to stop the assailant. Rape is no excuse for abortion. I believe that the victim is responsible for being a victim.

I hope you're one of the victims one day

 

[Sidhe]

Answer me this: How often do rapes happen?

Rapes can be protected by carrying firearms or weaponry with you in order to stop the assailant. Rape is no excuse for abortion. I believe that the victim is responsible for being a victim.

That satement is mental, I mean really nuts . If some armed troups went into a village and forced the women to have sex with the men in the unit, would this make them responsible. Alot of women carry a gun around with them and in some cases this prevents rape, but a guy jumping out of the bushes out of nowhere and then overpowering someone, does not leave the responsibility in the hands of the victim. You might want to consider that many rapes happen between people they know as well, in situations where the woman is unlikely to have had a gun stuffed down her bra. All I can say is you have some pretty lousy ideas, and that's putting it very mildly believe me.

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There's always the ignore list for those of you who do not wish to listen to me. I don't post here to have people like my opinions, I post here because I have opinions on an issue such as abortion.

Yes but your not going to gain anything from making comments devoid of understanding or humanity.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Why should Antiabortionist care if others do an abortion???

Why should Antimurdurers care if others do a murdur???

 

[Tulkas12]

Why should Antimurdurers care if others do a murdur???

This statement sums up why others care.

 

[Sidhe]

Why should Antimurdurers care if others do a murdur???

It's not the same in most places on the globe abortion isn't illegal so it's not murder and again as I said before it wouldn't even be tried as murder, and never has been as far as I can see, particularly not in the case of the mother who is actually the instigator of the abortion in the majority of cases, I almost said this again before, but obviously the religous fundie banner waivers with abortion is murder on them are a bigger influence than the actual definition and societallly understood moral issues of murder and the differing views about abortion aren't considered. Again just because someone says it is so does not make it so, I should call that Sidhe's law

Esentially we all consider murder morally wrong, but I for one don't consider abortion morally wrong in a variety of cases, where the circumstances are fairly exceptional.

It's a shame there arent more women on this forum, perhaps then we'd get a view point from them.

 

[Tulkas12]

It's not the same in most places on the globe abortion isn't illegal so it's not murder and again as I said before it wouldn't even be tried as murder, and never has been as far as I can see, particularly not in the case of the mother who is actually the instigator of the abortion in the majority of cases, I almost said this again before, but obviously the religous fundie banner waivers with abortion is murder on them are a bigger influence than the actual definition and societallly understood moral issues of murder and the differing views about abortion aren't considered. Again just because someone says it is so does not make it so, I should call that Sidhe's law

Esentially we all consider murder morally wrong, but I for one don't consider abortion morally wrong in a variety of cases, where the circumstances are fairly exceptional.

It's a shame there arent more women on this forum, perhaps then we'd get a view point from them.

Honestly, their opinions are about as diverse as the one's shown here. The question is why do anti-abortinists take sauch offense at abortionists? The answer is simple, many veiw it as murder.

 

[Sidhe]

Honestly, their opinions are about as diverse as the one's shown here. The question is why do anti-abortinists take sauch offense at abortionists? The answer is simple, many veiw it as murder.

But it isn't though, you can say it's murder 'til your blue in the face, but it won't make it so, you need to invent a word that means what you say it means or you are diluting the meaning of murder, just becasue you use a firebrand word, doesn't mean people don't cynically ignore you for being intelectually dishonest with yourself and therefore with the people around you with your agenda. I mean I see the point but people need to be honest with themselves before they talk about the subject. Don't make me real out the definition of abortion as well

 

[downtown]

Answer me this: How often do rapes happen?

Rapes can be protected by carrying firearms or weaponry with you in order to stop the assailant. Rape is no excuse for abortion. I believe that the victim is responsible for being a victim.

Are you ****ing serious? He's serious.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Whatever your definition of murdur is, my definition is the killinn gof other people. It is the most immoral, imho.

Again just because someone says it is so does not make it so, I should call that Sidhe's law

I was always lead to believe taht "Sidhe's law" is to make long annoying sometimes trolling posts to anyone Sidhe disagrees with saying how group X is brainwashed or stupid.

 

[Tulkas12]

Whatever your definition of murdur is, my definition is the killinn gof other people. It is the most immoral, imho.



I was always lead to believe taht "Sidhe's law" is to make long annoying sometimes trolling posts to anyone Sidhe disagrees with saying how group X is brainwashed or stupid.

Furthermore its a belief, are you bashing their right to belive that its murder Sid?

 

[Tycoon101]

IMHO a murder is the killing of a person who does not pose any harm to you, your family, or your country. A non-combatant I suppose.

I know that I have a differing idea of this than many, but let's all try to work out a working definition of murder before we get into the topic of abortions being murder. OK?

I propose my definition to that effect.

 

[.Shane.]

Whatever your definition of murdur is, my definition is the killinn gof other people. It is the most immoral, imho.

Well, that's the crux of it. Pro-life people believe a fetus is a person, no matter how "old". Some pro-lifers take the extreme view that the egg and sperm, even independent of each other constitute a person.

Pro-choicers don't consider the fetus a person. And yet, most of them have a "line in the sand" past which abortion is not a reasonable option. They see the overriding issue of one of the govt. not meddling in our lives.

And thus it is that this will never be resolved. The opposing sides are arguing from completely different Points-of-view. There's no middle or common ground.

 

[Tycoon101]

Well, that's the crux of it. Pro-life people believe a fetus is a person, no matter how "old". Some pro-lifers take the extreme view that the egg and sperm, even independent of each other constitute a person.

Pro-choicers don't consider the fetus a person. And yet, most of them have a "line in the sand" past which abortion is not a reasonable option. They see the overriding issue of one of the govt. not meddling in our lives.

And thus it is that this will never be resolved. The opposing sides are arguing from completely different Points-of-view. There's no middle or common ground.

Does the fetus get rights? Can this... thing get rights?

I find it bizzare that we petition for ape rights so they become equal to humans, but a human fetus gets no rights. Do puppies have more right than a fetu?, I suppose so...

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Pro-choicers don't consider the fetus a person.

I haven't really made up my mind of whether it really is a person or not, but it does develope into a human. That is why it is murdur.