Why Should I Dislike Hillary? (good reasons please)

I don't think she'd be a better president because of her positions - as you say, they're virtually identical. I think she'd be better because I think she's tougher, and has more guts than he does. Obama seems like a wuss to me. Clinton has to be tough, because she's a woman; she can't afford to ever be seen as weak. Obama can be, and I think being so is part of his personality, so often he would be.

But you don't have to be strong on domestic issues. If Obama is popular and pushes, say, healthcare, it will be a lot harder to fillabuster. Frankly, Republicans could fillabuster a Hillary plan to say the sky is blue and score points at home for it.
 
But you don't have to be strong on domestic issues. If Obama is popular and pushes, say, healthcare, it will be a lot harder to fillabuster. Frankly, Republicans could fillabuster a Hillary plan to say the sky is blue and score points at home for it.
Except, I'm less worried about healthcare than about a nuclear Iran, a resurgent China, and terrorism the world over. We need a president that has a delicate touch where that is needed, but the will to use brute force or the threat of it where that is needed, as well. None of the contenders has that perfectly, but McCain has it best - and after him, Clinton. Obama has the delicacy, but I don't see him have the guts that our next president is going to need.

Bush has guts, but no finesse. Look how that's worked out. Obama, as far as I can tell, has finesse but not guts. I'd rather get a president with as much of both as possible - and Clinton is closer to that than Obama, even if she's very far from ideal.
 
I don't think she'd be a better president because of her positions - as you say, they're virtually identical. I think she'd be better because I think she's tougher, and has more guts than he does. Obama seems like a wuss to me. Clinton has to be tough, because she's a woman; she can't afford to ever be seen as weak. Obama can be, and I think being so is part of his personality, so often he would be.
Funny I think that Obama is of much stronger character. Hillary has demonstrated many times that she will say ANYTHING to get a vote, whereas Obama has on multiple occasions decried popular ideas as silly. The most recent example being that gas holiday nonsense.
 
You should dislike her because she's stuck in the past where the Republicans frame issues and Democrats respond to them. She's tough, but she's always responding to them instead of building a new consensus around American values (and using that consensus to accomplish her Democratic goals). However, that shouldn't move you toward McCain if Obama doesn't win the nomination. Her and Obama still agree on most issues.
 
Bill didn't like her enough to use her as a Banana splitter.
 
I don't hate her. But I can't really like her either. She just comes across badly to me. To ambitious, and willing to compromise in the wrong ways in order to get what she wants.
 
Lets see.

She's scum. And worse, as her increasingly clumsy and unprepared campaign has revealed, she's not even terribly competent scum. The Clintons are hateful, vindictive people who never forget a slight, see personal betrayals everywhere, and treat those who don't support them as enemies to be destroyed.

The ends justify the means. Always. No matter how ruthless, how disingenuous, how intellectually dishonest, fraudulent, destructive, or counter-productive. She'll play a Republican for a news cycle, attacking from the right on whatever issue if it'll help her demolish the opposition. She'll throw the kitchen and the sink if she thinks it'll help her chances, no matter the damage it may cause the party. And its not like the ends are all that noble. I'm sure they rationalize the ends as being 'the best thing for America', but the best thing for America in their mind appears to be and ONLY appears to be a Clinton Presidency. Which is fair enough. But they also seem to have this impression that anything short of a Clinton Presidency and you may as well have Attila the Hun in office, cause they're all equally bad.

She attacks from the right when its politically convenient, even going so far as to dust off talk radio rhetoric when it suits her purposes. Sees former supporters following their conscience as 'Judas's'. Anyone who follows her campaign knows that she values loyalty over competence to a fault. Which anyone paying attention knows is one of the BIGGEST flaws (and scariest, most destructive ones) of our current President. As former supporter David Geffen noted, the Clintons lie with such comfortable ease. Big, small, necessary or otherwise. Bill could make up for this because he had the charisma to come off as sincere even when he wasn't. Hillary? Disingenuous and intellectually dishonest at nearly every turn. And that's when she's not flat out lying.



Or you can just go for the talk radio rhetoric of 'America hatin socialists!'. Its mindless, inaccurate, and stupid, but the right seems to eat that crap up.
 
Mister JH which candidate has the best plan for easing the gas problem?

None

I believe it will solve itself and whoever is in charge will lay credit though they will have zero responsibility for it.

The masses will believe it.

kay sirrah sirrah

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Didn't she propose freezing interest rates for 5 years?

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Umm yeah. That's also an incredibly bad economic policy, as it would drive interest rates very high for those who didnt already have a mortgage
 
The ends justify the means. Always. No matter how ruthless, how disingenuous, how intellectually dishonest, fraudulent, destructive, or counter-productive. [...]
Hillary? Disingenuous and intellectually dishonest at nearly every turn. And that's when she's not flat out lying.

Yeah I mean I think all the political games stuff falls under the "obnoxious" category. I'm more interested in her actual policies. I have no idea what they even are!

Of course you don't, because they can change at any time for political advantage, and because there is not much correlation between what she'll say and what she'll do. And there's no reason to think that the flaws EnlightenmentHK points to will cease when/if she's elected.

That's not just a problem of obnoxiousness. It makes her dangerous to anything you may hold dear.
 
Of course you don't, because they can change at any time for political advantage, and because there is not much correlation between what she'll say and what she'll do. And there's no reason to think that the flaws EnlightenmentHK points to will cease when/if she's elected.

That's not just a problem of obnoxiousness. It makes her dangerous to anything you may hold dear.

From this end, Hillary appears the same - a general snake in the grass. It's difficult to see how she actually offers Americans and the world anything different - certainly she doesn't appear to offer an American president worthy of the title.

Actually, it's difficult to see how she offers anything different to the Bush policy-line - certainly, looking into the old Clinton policies, they start to look like one and the same administration - only differing to degree of disingenuity...
 
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