GhostWriter16
Deity
My heart bleeds for bleeding hearts... not so much for those who create bleeding hearts...
Why so many bleeding-hearts?
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Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
There doesn't exist any meaningful distinction between "having" and "using" thoughts. How could it? Thoughts aren't independently-exist objects, they're particular cognitive actions, so to exist at all they have to be used.
Frankly, that you'd even employ such an Orwellian distinction speaks volumes about the depth of your "libertarianism".
Gucumatz
JS, secretly Rod Serling
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I clearly got the supply of Bleeding hearts we needed to offset the catastrophe of the 13th Baktun transition
Konojel winaqi pa cha'ac
- Bleeding hearts save the day once again
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In all seriousness its noble to want to help others just as its noble to want to protect your homeland and ensure its continued growth. Yes both "bleeding hearts" and "nutjob warmongers" are both noble in my eyes and whatever else we like to degrade normally has some greater purpose for society. Heck even the largely useless libertarian community has its purposes and (somewhat) good intentions - It takes all kinds.
Konojel winaqi pa cha'ac
- Bleeding hearts save the day once again===========
In all seriousness its noble to want to help others just as its noble to want to protect your homeland and ensure its continued growth. Yes both "bleeding hearts" and "nutjob warmongers" are both noble in my eyes and whatever else we like to degrade normally has some greater purpose for society. Heck even the largely useless libertarian community has its purposes and (somewhat) good intentions - It takes all kinds.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
What could possibly be noble about putting fictions before people?
GhostWriter16
Deity
I can think about killing you. But if I actually kill you, I'm subject to legal judgment. Is that "Orwellian" to you?
Honestly, my copyright laws would probably be weaker than the status quo. But I do think you need some to prevent me from copying someone else's work and making a profit off of it, or stealing profit from them.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
GhostWriter16 said:
You're comparing thoughts and actions when all that is being discussed is having thoughts.
Why?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Yes, I know, in Crezth's world government should do anything and everything BUT the right to profit as much as you can (Without aggressing on someone else) from your work.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
If I copied and pasted that sentence and sold it in my word salad bar, would you sue me for infringing on your copyright?
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Well in your world, the government should do nothing except prevent women from getting abortions
I prefer Crezth's.
I prefer Crezth's.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I think the government should prevent murder after death too
Actually, strictly speaking, government cannot prevent a woman from getting an abortion, all it can do is respond if she does. To try to prevent her from having an abortion may well advocate following her around. I am not advocating this.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
If i recall you advocate executing women who have abortions. Im pretty sure that requires a big deal of uterine survialance.
Quackers
The Frog
That is just the government trying to protect the most vulnerable and voiceless members of society.
They already do it. Some feotuses are illegal to abort because they are "too far gone" - or is that a just amout of uterine suveliance for you?
They already do it. Some feotuses are illegal to abort because they are "too far gone" - or is that a just amout of uterine suveliance for you?
useless
Social Justice Rogue
I'm not the one advocating the stopping of abortions.
Quackers
The Frog
Well Governments, like the UK one, already surveil female uteruses. After a certain point of gestation it becomes illegal to abort - so your already living in your GW hell-on-earth government.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Nonsentient masses of tissues that don't interact with anybody are members of society, now, are they?
Takes all kinds these days.
GhostWriter16
Deity
No. Copyright has to be actually copyrighted.
It also has to have (Or should, anyhow) some real property value for me. If I write a novel and I'm selling it, I have every right to not allow you to steal my work (I'm not answering "Why", you simply do not have a right to steal my work and any good government would prevent you from doing so.)
I doubt anti-abortion laws would actually be enforced very often, at least not against women (The doctors, on the other hand, are far morel likely to get caught.) On any rare occasion when a woman was actually caught having an abortion, yes, she should be charged with murder. But that's really another subject.
Certainly before birth.
Who defines "Society' anyways. The fetus interacts with the mom, doesn't it? Is she not part of society?
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Why should I submit to a government's rules about why I can't take your work?
The fetus takes from the mom without her permission, yes.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Why can't I just kill you?
Some questions really don't deserve answers.
Not through any fault of his own. And in most cases, only because the mother allowed it.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Well, why not?
It's disingenuous to present the one-sided parasitism for which we can apparently hold nobody accountable (except the victim!) as a relation befitting society.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I'm done
In a case of consensual sex, the woman absolutely did consent to the fetus being allowed to parasite against her. She knew of that risk and chose to participate anyway. IF a fetus is a (moral, not legal) person, than to kill it to "Stop it from parasiting" is an obvious crime. Since you did consent to the risk of it being there.
Rape is much trickier. But still not the fetus' fault. I can't imagine the woman being prosecuted in that case, especially considering that an abortion in that case is likely motivated by emotion and not a rational decision to kill (A possibility in other cases as well, but extremely likely in a rape case.)
The same cannot be said for the doctor.
