Why so many bleeding-hearts?

[Disgustipated]

Comparing our political views with Europe is silly. I wish people would stop that. America is not Europe.

 

[AlpsStranger]

<snip> Kinda rambling, nevermind.

 

[GhostWriter16]

That the American right considers something "extreme leftist" means next to nothing. You guys have no idea where the center is.

Obama isn't an extreme leftist for the record, and I'm pretty radically "Right" at least as far as the economy goes. He's definitely not +6 right of center on a scale of -10 to +10 like PC says, however...

Anyone who thinks Obama is an "Extreme leftist" needs to see the kinds of things FDR said about taxes. He wanted a 100% rate on income over 25,000 (275K today from what I've read, I can't confirm that.) Obama may well be more left than he's showing and be trying to "compromise" but he's not "Extreme." Not to that extent.

He IS an extreme warmongerer, however.

most nerds seem to be wimpy individuals who need someone (big government) to be their mommy and daddy. Us real men are libertarians.

I bet that Adam Lanza kid was a democrat. He couldn't live without his mommy.

No offense to present company of course. I'm sure some day you will all grow up, and when you are older, you will see the error of your ways. Young people tend to be liberal and socialist. I was a socialist in high school. I think it's pretty common.

I'm 17 and libertarian

The most outspoken liberals here are older. The most outspoken libertarian still lives with his mommy.

Yes, I am still in high school.

he can't be a libertarian if he's against abortion.

This response has always struck me as odd. Libertarianism (As in "Right-wing libertarianism", I'm not talking about the collectivist/communist/syndicalist/whatever left-wing kind) is built on combination of private property rights and the non-aggression principle. The non-aggression principle means you cannot utilize force against someone who has not done the same against you first. That means, if somebody peacefully is using drugs or owning a gun to hunt, or for protection, or engaging in prostitution, homosexuality, whatever, you name it, you leave him alone. Or if you want him to stop, you use peaceful persuasion.

Abortion is a bit of a conundrum because there is no automatic way to know when, or if, the fetus has personhood rights. (A libertarian could perhaps justify certain protections for certain animals on these grounds as well, but that's a different topic, and more iffy because the NAP generally deals with people only.) Since the fetus is there against his will, he isn't tresspassing. Therefore, if the fetus is a human life, the mother has a responsibility to it at least until the point where it can be peacefully removed without causing it harm.

If, on the other hand, the fetus is NOT a life, in that case the abortion is completely justified.

Most libertarians are indeed pro-choice, however, most libertarians also recognize that there is dispute on this issue.

You support gun control, so you can't be a libertarian

If you can NTS Dommy, can we NTS the other so-called bleeding hearts?

What?

Most people who post here are pretty smart (I'm the only exception- I'm pretty dumb), and they are a product of the school and University system. Both schools and Universities are very left leaning. This really shouldn't be any surprise they are left leaning.

Most conservatives are rednecks who like to drink beer and ride around in pickup trucks. They aren't going to post here.

What about libertarians?

@Alps- I've never understood the appeal of "Conservatism" as you define it as an ideology. I mean, if you support something or oppose it shouldn't be based on the status quo

I'm proudly radical

 

[Crezth]

Dommy thinks libertarian means seceding so that you can continue owning people as property, so he's not an excellent resource for that.

 

[GhostWriter16]

You don't really understand my views, do you?

 

[Borachio]

Can I just take this opportunity to point out I've nothing useful to add to this thread?

 

[Core Imposter]

The most outspoken liberals here are older. The most outspoken libertarian still lives with his mommy.

insufficient data

 

[GhostWriter16]

insufficient data

Eh, I'll admit to still being a high school student. That's irrelevant to how intelligent or unintelligent my views or anyone else's are.

 

[Core Imposter]

Can I just take this opportunity to point out I've nothing useful to add to this thread?

I really don't see the point of it. Post count?

 

[Borachio]

Eh, I'll admit to still being a high school student. That's irrelevant to how intelligent or unintelligent my views or anyone else's are.

It may well be some indication of how well-informed, or well-formulated, those views are, though.

 

[Core Imposter]

To answer the OP, begging has become both a growth industry and an art form in the United States.

 

[Crezth]

You don't really understand my views, do you?

I know that you are heavily deluded and libertarian in name only.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Libertarians always support the South.

 

[dutchfire]

Like half of us is left of center.

 

[Disgustipated]

To answer the OP, begging has become both a growth industry and an art form in the United States.

You do realize 80% of Americans have taken money from the government. And based off that number, some of those were Republicans.

Republicans are just as much beggars as Democrats. They just beg for different things.

 

[Disgustipated]

Libertarians always support the South.

Screw (I'd like to use a different word, but I can't here) the South.

West is Best.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Screw (I'd like to use a different word, but I can't here) the South.

West is Best.

Actually somewhat true, they didn't fight for slavery or for conquest

 

[Antilogic]

most people are moderate, just there is a ridiculous standard for what is conservative in the US (and unfortunately, many people follow that standard).

This is not only true but incredibly exacerbated by the polarization of the media (i.e. many people view media that reinforces their political belief systems and do not seek out unbiased sources).

This response has always struck me as odd. Libertarianism (As in "Right-wing libertarianism", I'm not talking about the collectivist/communist/syndicalist/whatever left-wing kind) is built on combination of private property rights and the non-aggression principle. The non-aggression principle means you cannot utilize force against someone who has not done the same against you first. That means, if somebody peacefully is using drugs or owning a gun to hunt, or for protection, or engaging in prostitution, homosexuality, whatever, you name it, you leave him alone. Or if you want him to stop, you use peaceful persuasion.

How far back does the statute of limitations go on the NAP?

Abortion is a bit of a conundrum because there is no automatic way to know when, or if, the fetus has personhood rights. (A libertarian could perhaps justify certain protections for certain animals on these grounds as well, but that's a different topic, and more iffy because the NAP generally deals with people only.) Since the fetus is there against his will, he isn't tresspassing. Therefore, if the fetus is a human life, the mother has a responsibility to it at least until the point where it can be peacefully removed without causing it harm.

If, on the other hand, the fetus is NOT a life, in that case the abortion is completely justified.

Plenty of people find the life thing a sticking point, but even then the idea of mandating an individual sacrificing their life or even just putting themselves at risk for another is arguably a violation of your NAP.

What?

The "No True Scotsman" argument. Nobody really doubts you hold a majority of libertarian positions and use the language in debate; thus, any attempt to discredit you as such is probably falling into NTS territory.

I just assume I'm lumped in with the bleeding hearts and frankly can't be bothered to object anymore. Too much investment for too little benefit.

 

[Borachio]

You do realize 80% of Americans have taken money from the government. And based off that number, some of those were Republicans.

Republicans are just as much beggars as Democrats. They just beg for different things.

Who hasn't taken money from the government? Or if not actual money, then services? Who are these 20%?

Or do you mean net money taken?

 

[Crezth]

Libertarians always support the South.

So does this mean I should give up any hope that American libertarians will start caring about liberty?