Why suspend the man's rights in the issue of abortion?

[Pasi Nurminen]

Why suspend the man's rights in the issue of abortion? If the woman consents to sex without taking proper precautions ensuring against pregnancy, does not the man have a voice in determining the future of the fetus? Is it not just as much a part of the man's body as it is the woman's? Cutting through the spin, it is the woman who determines whether or not to have sex, men can only ask for it, women supply it at their whim.

My case is simple: abortion should be 100% legal on demand at any stage of the pregnancy so long as there is consent to an abortion between both parties involved. If the man does not consent, an abortion is illegal. However, if such a case arises, the man is awarded full custody upon birth and must bear responsibility for the raising of the child. Depending on the woman's financial status, she may or may not be required to make child support payments. If the woman did not want a child or did not feel herself capable of raising a child, she isn't required to do either, she is simply required to give birth and hand it off to the father.

Maybe we should start a man's abortion rights advocacy group, eh?

Please vote in the forthcoming poll.

 

[Mise]

When men start giving birth to children, I'll support your cause.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

When men start giving birth to children, I'll support your cause.

And when women start being able to conceive without a man's sperm, I'll support the destruction of men's abortion rights.

 

[Shadylookin]

I don't think 5 minutes of "wham bam thank ya mam" can be equated to going through 9 months of pregnancy. If a man really wants a child so badly he can knock up a woman that he knows will refuse an abortion.

 

[Mise]

And when women start being able to conceive without a man's sperm, I'll support the destruction of men's abortion rights.

They can . But typically, it's done intentionally.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I don't think 5 minutes of "wham bam thank ya mam" can be equated to going through 9 months of pregnancy. If a man really wants a child so badly he can knock up a woman that he knows will refuse an abortion.

For certain, there are occasions when the man does not want to be involved or does not care, but those are the minority. Maybe you didn't read the OP, so I won't be too hard on you, but I said if the man does not want an abortion and the woman does, the man is responsible for raising the child. That means failure to do so, as in any ordinary circumstances, could bring about child abuse/neglect charges with the state seizing the child.

 

[skadistic]

Its not the mans body being host to a parasite.

 

[LucyDuke]

No, it's not fair that men aren't able to be assured of their seed sprouting. But it's also not fair that women aren't able to have children unless they carry them themselves. It's not fair to compel a woman to carry a child she does not want. It's not fair the way it is now, and it wouldn't be fair the way you suggest, so I'll go with the least restrictive option.

I expect to get pounced on for this, but... a man doesn't have rights in the issue of abortion.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

They can . But typically, it's done intentionally.

No, they can't. In vitro fertilization, or any other method out there, still involves a man's sperm. Even those constitute something like .00002% of all pregnancies in the western world.

 

[Perfection]

For certain, there are occasions when the man does not want to be involved or does not care, but those are the minority.

Minority of pregnancies or minority of abortions? And evidence?

 

[Godwynn]

It would be cool if a guy wanted an abortion, but the woman doesn't, so he doesn't have to take care of it.

 

[Mise]

No, they can't. In vitro fertilization, or any other method out there, still involves a man's sperm. Even those constitute something like .00002% of all pregnancies in the western world.

IIRC, there are methods which don't require any male genetic material whatsoever.

But either way, I'd hardly equate jackin in a cup to being host to someone else's child for 9 months.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

IIRC, there are methods which don't require any male genetic material whatsoever.

But either way, I'd hardly equate jackin in a cup to being host to someone else's child for 9 months.

Another case of someone not reading. Does the English speaking world have a chronic illiteracy problem? In case of the man not being present, or not caring what happens, as obviously would be the case here, an abortion should be perfectly legal.

 

[Little Raven]

My case is simple: abortion should be 100% legal on demand at any stage of the pregnancy so long as there is consent to an abortion between both parties involved. If the man does not consent, an abortion is illegal. However, if such a case arises, the man is awarded full custody upon birth and must bear responsibility for the raising of the child. Depending on the woman's financial status, she may or may not be required to make child support payments. If the woman did not want a child or did not feel herself capable of raising a child, she isn't required to do either, she is simply required to give birth and hand it off to the father.

Spoken as someone who has never watched a woman go through pregnancy.

A woman’s body is never the same once she has a child, even if everything goes well. And it doesn’t always go well. Equate the act of ejaculation with that of carrying a child to term is sheer lunacy, and our legal system recognizes that.

 

[Che Guava]

It would be cool if a guy wanted an abortion, but the woman doesn't, so he doesn't have to take care of it.

Cool....?

A man's commitment to a pregnancy pales in comparisan to a woman's. It should ultimately be the woman's choice...

 

[Godwynn]

A man's commitment to a pregnancy pales in comparisan to a woman's. It should ultimately be the woman's choice...

... I know... ?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Equate the act of ejaculation with that of carrying a child to term is sheer lunacy, and our legal system recognizes that.

More illiteracy problems in the Western world, I see. If the man hangs around, and wants to raise the child, to financially and emotionally invest in at least the first 18 years of the child's life, is that merely ejaculation? I think not.

 

[LucyDuke]

A woman’s body is never the same once she has a child, even if everything goes well.

Ooh, good one. When was the last time pregnancy killed a man?

 

[Little Raven]

More illiteracy problems in the Western world, I see. If the man hangs around, and wants to raise the child, to financially and emotionally invest in at least the first 18 years of the child's life, is that merely ejaculation? I think not.

But in giving the same ‘veto power’ to both parties of a pregnancy, you equate the man’s contribution to that pregnancy to that of the woman’s. Here in the Western world, that just isn’t true. Does the Eastern world use the sea-horse method or something?

 

[Shadylookin]

For certain, there are occasions when the man does not want to be involved or does not care, but those are the minority. Maybe you didn't read the OP, so I won't be too hard on you, but I said if the man does not want an abortion and the woman does, the man is responsible for raising the child. That means failure to do so, as in any ordinary circumstances, could bring about child abuse/neglect charges with the state seizing the child.

I read it quite well actually. Pregnancy is 9 months long requires abstaining from most bad habits(smoking drinking). It also takes quite the toll on the body, and even during a good pregnancy it's likely you'll miss a lot of work and go to doctors which means your career is damaged.

The simple solution is if you are against abortion don't screw someone that isn't.