Why suspend the man's rights in the issue of abortion?

[Pasi Nurminen]

The man has NO rights to control someone else's body

So impregnating a woman should be illegal?

 

[Mr. Do]

Well, he has no right to do so. We call that "rape", I believe.

Edit for obviousness: the above applies to sex without consent.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Well, he has no right to do so. We call that "rape", I believe.

Engaging in a consensual act that any non-lobotomized person knows can result in pregnancy without taking adequate precautions against pregnancy should be illegal?

 

[Elrohir]

Why suspend the man's rights in the issue of abortion? If the woman consents to sex without taking proper precautions ensuring against pregnancy, does not the man have a voice in determining the future of the fetus? Is it not just as much a part of the man's body as it is the woman's? Cutting through the spin, it is the woman who determines whether or not to have sex, men can only ask for it, women supply it at their whim.

My case is simple: abortion should be 100% legal on demand at any stage of the pregnancy so long as there is consent to an abortion between both parties involved. If the man does not consent, an abortion is illegal. However, if such a case arises, the man is awarded full custody upon birth and must bear responsibility for the raising of the child. Depending on the woman's financial status, she may or may not be required to make child support payments. If the woman did not want a child or did not feel herself capable of raising a child, she isn't required to do either, she is simply required to give birth and hand it off to the father.

Maybe we should start a man's abortion rights advocacy group, eh?

Please vote in the forthcoming poll.

I disagree with you that abortion should be legal in such cases, because I believe human life is worth protecting even when both parents don't want to protect it. However, I agree with you that the father should have equal rights on this issue with the mother.

Its not the mans body being host to a parasite.

Parasite - n.
1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3. (in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

Maybe you could point out which definition you are using to define a fetus as a parasite? Saying that an unborn baby is a parasite is inflammatory and simply incorrect by the biological or dictionary definition of the word.

 

[Gilder]

The second defintion works just as well.

 

[Che Guava]

Maybe you could point out which definition you are using to define a fetus as a parasite? Saying that an unborn baby is a parasite is inflammatory and simply incorrect by the biological or dictionary definition of the word.

I think it was more of a metaphorical use rather than a literal one. ANd it that sense, it works. I've even read researchers referring to the brain as a parasite, given the amount of resources it eats up in the body

 

[Elrohir]

I think it was more of a metaphorical use rather than a literal one. ANd it that sense, it works. I've even read researchers referring to the brain as a parasite, given the amount of resources it eats up in the body

Metaphorically speaking, then, cripples and small children are parasites on society as well. That doesn't mean it's true in the real sense of the word, or that killing them is moral.

 

[Bill3000]

Metaphorically speaking, then, cripples and small children are parasites on society as well. That doesn't mean it's true in the real sense of the word, or that killing them is moral.

Parasites on a society are quite different from parasites on a human.

 

[Urederra]

We all have been parasites then, and some should have been treated accordingly.

 

[Stylesjl]

So impregnating a woman should be illegal?

If she consented to impregnation (by consent to sex) then, no

 

[Nylan]

I think both parties already made their choice when they closed the bedroom door.

I'd like to see the third party have a say before anyone else.

 

[Trajan12]

I think a man should have the right to ask for an abortion if he doesn't want to or is not able to take care of the child. Otherwise he should be freed of responsibility.

 

[Mureke]

I'm tired of the advocation of human rights in the area of abortion. Look at world population. Life is dying. Humanity is dying. The thought that giving birth would be above all the individual's business and right is out of line. In this world, this issue is most clearly the responsibility of the state. For now, it would be a nice gesture to make abortion happen if either parent didn't want the child - even if the other parent wanted to have it.

 

[Stylesjl]

Life isn't becoming extinct. Birth rates exceed death rates worldwide. If theres a problem, just open the doors to immigration

 

[Bill3000]

Life isn't becoming extinct. Birth rates exceed death rates worldwide. If theres a problem, just open the doors to immigration

...immigration of humans not from Earth?

 

[Stylesrj]

There's always a third world nation of people who have no birth control who we can import in

 

[Bill3000]

There's always a third world nation of people who have no birth control who we can import in

...he was talking about the world population...

 

[Stylesrj]

I think what Stylesjl is saying that is that Western nations that have lower birth rates than death rates can always open the door to immigration to get the numbers up. There are more birth rates than death rates as a whole worldwide so we can always import new people if our death rates over exceed the births.

 

[Prince_Imrahil]

I think both parties already made their choice when they closed the bedroom door.

I'd like to see the third party have a say before anyone else.

Thing is, man has no say over her body, and third party doesnt even have say. They choose to have sex, his sperm, so what? She can make the choice when it directly* concerns her.

(*in reply to sharpes silly what about post-birth abortion locked -thread)

 

[bigfatron]

Spoken as someone who has never watched a woman go through pregnancy.

A woman’s body is never the same once she has a child, even if everything goes well. And it doesn’t always go well. Equate the act of ejaculation with that of carrying a child to term is sheer lunacy, and our legal system recognizes that.

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