I read that one. Kinda unsure why "manners" are important but "wearing a seat belt for the obvious benefits it provides" is not. As in, I get why manners are important. Public indecency along similar lines. But manners aren't seat belts. Zoning laws aren't seat belts. There's no commonality of law that binds the three together, either.Post 97
Repeating something doesn't make it true. But there's probably a valid critique with regards to personal responsibility in cases of an accident r.e. the hell that is insurance.No. We are what we do repeatedly. We are our common thoughts. Our typical reasons. Our self image.
1000 or more time times a year. It internalizes. And everybody knows it isn't for anybody else, you're being told what to do, alone, for your own good.
People are who they are from one issue to another. More important issues with lessons learned in tow.
They're terrible laws.
The harm is what the state does to people who do not do what they are told. The fact that this harm anecdotally seems to be stratified by race just enhances the harm.Where is the actual harm?
Oh, I understand the impact of poor (or outright bigoted) policing. But this isn't a problem with seat belt laws anymore than it is anything else (like how black women are more at risk being pregnant according to mortality statistics).The harm is what the state does to people who do not do what they are told. The fact that this harm anecdotally seems to be stratified by race just enhances the harm.
Spoiler Anecdote :Everyone I know who has been done for not wearing a seat belt is a person of colour. Everyone who I have experienced driving with without a seatbelt has been white.
Yes, these two things are definitely comparable. Being told you have to wear a seatbelt, and telling women they absolutely have to carry a fetus to term. Man, here was me hoping this wouldn't be the takeaway. We get what we deserve, as you said.Every animal trained by its environment. We have a whole thread of posters irritated by the lack of respect for bodily autonomy as our society struggles to weigh it against emerging personhood and citizenship. Yet they themselves are so trained to give it up for no benefit to society whatsoever and to propogate their self choices through coercion.
But you argument seems to boil down to "bodily autonomy trumps people not wanting you to die", which is an odd one. I guess understandable at the personal level (not saying I agree, mind). Especially odd though considering your position on abortion. If the bodily autonomy of an adult was as inviolate as you seem to want it to be, that is.
Or that your kid doesn't want to seem uncool, sure....for so little an inconvenience? The wisp of anxiety that somebody might not like a good decision made for yourself?