Why would anyone support the practice of abortion?

IglooDude said:
I think the US government puts the value at a few million dollars, give or take a bit.
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I wasn't talking about monetary value.

mise said:
It's a dumb question for that very reason...

And you still haven't answered it...
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It's not a dumb question.

Little Raven said:
Does it matter? Does a human have an innate right to live? I don't think so.
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I don't have the right to live? Well then excuse me as I kill myself:rolleyes:

Little Raven said:
We kick humans to curb to die all the time, when we don't kill them outright. We allow those we deem guilty to be executed. We allow those we deem unimportant to starve. We allow those we deem poor to die from lack of health care. We actively kill those we deem enemies.
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Yes all the above are tragedies that occur, that doesn't mean they can't be changed though.

Little Raven said:
Why do you assume that simply being human affords you some right to life? It gives you the opportunity at life...
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I believe we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


Sorry it took me so long to respond, but my life does not revolve around CFC :p
 
shadowdude said:
I don't have the right to live? Well then excuse me as I kill myself:rolleyes:
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You're free to kill yourself if you like, or at least you should be. But why would you want to?

You have the right to live. You do not have the right to everything you need to live.
Yes all the above are tragedies that occur, that doesn't mean they can't be changed though.
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:confused: So are you saying they are tragedies, or that they are legally or morally wrong? Do you believe that we have a responsibility to protect the people of Darfur?
I believe we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Do you believe that I have a responsibility to support your life? If I am going to die for lack of medical care, is it your responsibility to pay my bills?
 
THERE IS NO ESCAPE!! ANSWER THIS QUESTION PRO-CHOICERS!!

Tell me, what is the difference between a 'human fetus' and a 'human being' that gives one the right to live, and denies it to the other? Show how this difference means more when a 'human fetus' displays it than when an aged, injured, or very young 'human being' displays it. Explain why your assertion is not the same as age-based discrimination. Explain why this difference which may be permanent in a 'human being', but which is certain to be temporary for a 'human fetus', can be used to legitimately discriminate against the 'human fetus', but the 'human being', even if permanently afflicted with the difference (say a permenently vegetative coma) still has full human rights.
 
FearlessLeader2 said:
THERE IS NO ESCAPE!! ANSWER THIS QUESTION PRO-CHOICERS!!

Tell me, what is the difference between a 'human fetus' and a 'human being' that gives one the right to live, and denies it to the other? Show how this difference means more when a 'human fetus' displays it than when an aged, injured, or very young 'human being' displays it. Explain why your assertion is not the same as age-based discrimination. Explain why this difference which may be permanent in a 'human being', but which is certain to be temporary for a 'human fetus', can be used to legitimately discriminate against the 'human fetus', but the 'human being', even if permanently afflicted with the difference (say a permenently vegetative coma) still has full human rights.
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To answer your question... the moment when it can survive without a host. AKA when it stops being a parasite.
 
Azadre said:
To answer your question... the moment when it can survive without a host. AKA when it stops being a parasite.
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If thats the case, then children up to maybe 6 years old can be killed. Because most children under six can't think for themselves. They can't care for themselves and they need someone to take care of them. In some cases I'd say that up to 16 years old a kid (or teen) can't take care of themselves. So tell me, where is the line between it being murder and not being murder?
 
King PJ said:
If thats the case, then children up to maybe 6 years old can be killed. Because most children under six can't think for themselves. They can't care for themselves and they need someone to take care of them. In some cases I'd say that up to 16 years old a kid (or teen) can't take care of themselves. So tell me, where is the line between it being murder and not being murder?
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They do not need a host to survive. They are no longer parasites in the biological sense.

Since I am infering you haven't had biology, here's the definition: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host ,
 
Fetuss are not parrisites. They will help in the long run. Mothers have no right to abort a fetus that is not affecting their health. If women endure a little pain so be it they made the choice.
 
zjl56 said:
Fetuss are not parrisites. They will help in the long run. Mothers have no right to abort a fetus that is not affecting their health. If women endure a little pain so be it they made the choice.
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In the long run is not the definition. The mother, has as much right to stop a parasite with antibiotics as she does terminating a pregnancy by abortion.
 
Azadre said:
To answer your question... the moment when it can survive without a host. AKA when it stops being a parasite.
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Children are hosted in their parents homes until they leave them.

Patients are hosted by their hospitals until they are well.

The elderly are hosted by their children or the retirement homes they live in.

Being hosted, they are all parasites too. Therefore this is yet another equal condition of pre-fetal and post-natal humans. My question remains unanswered:

Why are any of the mentioned conditions valid justification for denial of the right to live in a pre-fetal human, and not valid for a post-natal human?

Until you can answer this question with anything but 'They are not valid justifications.', you have not proven lack of right to life, and cannot justify abortion rights to mothers.

Forget every other issue that has been raised in this thread. Answer this question, or slink away in shame.
 
FearlessLeader2 said:
Children are hosted in their parents homes until they leave them.

Patients are hosted by their hospitals until they are well.

The elderly are hosted by their children or the retirement homes they live in.

Being hosted, they are all parasites too. Therefore this is yet another equal condition of pre-fetal and post-natal humans. My question remains unanswered:

Why are any of the mentioned conditions valid justification for denial of the right to live in a pre-fetal human, and not valid for a post-natal human?

Until you can answer this question with anything but 'They are not valid justifications.', you have not proven lack of right to life, and cannot justify abortion rights to mothers.

Forget every other issue that has been raised in this thread. Answer this question, or slink away in shame.
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They are metaphorical parasites, but the fetus is the only REAL parasite. Thus, your counter argument can not be used.

Also... I would never allow my fiancee to have an abortion. I love children and I always will. But, I tend to look at medicine from a scientific point of view.
 
Parasite:A person who lives at another's expense without paying him back in any way.

I don't think kids are parasites, you do get something back from them, love.

But i get your meaning.
 
Abortion hurts society and many countries have declining populations from it. Abortions are against human nature.
 
Perf,
Is the inherent irony in your post intentional?
 
Azadre said:
They do not need a host to survive. They are no longer parasites in the biological sense.

Since I am infering you haven't had biology, here's the definition: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host ,
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Then I guess a fetus is not a parasite. While the mother goes through all the uncomfortable changes when a child is developing in the womb, the benefits far outweigh any pain associated with the child rearing process. Watching the child grow month to month via the untrasound, the feeling of relief and joy after the child is born, and raising the child and watching the child grow up into maturity. I could go on and on with listing benefits.
 
I am opposed to age discrimination where a decision of life and death is involved, yes.
 
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