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Women in Christian politics

Nobody, I repeat, nobody wants anything like Sharia Law.
What many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians want instead of Sharia law is their own Christian version of Sharia law, which they continue to try to impose on everybody else as they have for centuries now.

No matter how they tempt to hide it or sugarcoat it, the Mormon Church has poured millions and millions of dollars into the battle to fight marriage equality. The hierarchy of the Catholic Church has directly contacted public officials warning them of the political consequences if they support equality for LGBT citizens. The most recent attempt was Baltimore Archbishop Edwin O’ Brien calling Maryland’s Catholic Governor Martin O’Malley warning him not to support the drive for marriage equality in the state. And we here in New York are all aware of the very public disagreement over this issue by Catholic Governor Andrew Cuomo and Archbishop Timothy Dolan.

Many religious institutions long ago crossed the fine line between spiritual beliefs and direct public lobbying. Some definitely don’t even make an attempt to hide their brazen use of tax-subsidized dollars to fight to make their personal spiritual beliefs mandatory for all other American citizens. This nation is facing an active concerted campaign to have a Christian version of Sharia law imposed on all of us (like it or not…) with active campaigns to create a set of laws forcing those that oppose them to live under their Christian principles.

In these harsh economic times, why not lift the tax exemptions from all religious institutions? They are a lingering result of policy created decades ago. The First Amendment has been used as reason that a government should not tax religious institutions. However isn’t that same amendment the reason that my tax dollars should not allow them to free up their tax free dollars to fight to take away my freedom? The time has long passed for these institutions to be given a free economic pass from the citizens of America so they can attempt to mandate that their personal interpretations of the Bible become law of the land.

Michele Bachmann Wants To Enact Sharia Law – The Christian Version (VIDEO)

If you are opposed to separation of church and state, you are in favor of a Christian version of Sharia law.
 
I do think it would be rather hard to find more than 1/50 people, even among evangelical Christians, who would want anything as severe as "Christian-Sharia" law. They're out there, and some of them have outsized influence to be sure, but I don't really fear them any more. Attrition of the older folks is costing them dearly.

To my own embarrassment I often overestimated the threat even just a short time ago. They slowed down marriage equality and, frankly, that's about it. It was a paper tiger.
 
Wanting to maintain a dubious status quo hardly equates to imposing frakking Sharia. Don't get me wrong, I don't think goernment should attempt to impose religious morality on others, but that comparison really doesn't go very far.
 
What utter nonsense. What many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians want instead of Sharia law is their own Christian version of Sharia law, which they continue to try to impose on everybody else as they have for centuries now.

Michele Bachmann Wants To Enact Sharia Law – The Christian Version (VIDEO)

Now thats some class A fear mongering there. You newbs at fearmongering pay attention - this is how you do it (cue Bobby Brown music here).

The vast majority of Christians dont want any such thing. And I fairly sure even those labled as 'right wing extremists' or 'religious fundamentalists' by certain people probably dont either. Unless of course you think being supportive of traditional marriage is equal to desiring to instill Sharia Law in America (which I think most sane people would agree is silly).

Wanting to maintain a dubious status quo hardly equates to imposing frakking Sharia. Don't get me wrong, I don't think goernment should attempt to impose religious morality on others, but that comparison really doesn't go very far.

Precisely.
 
I do think it would be rather hard to find more than 1/50 people, even among evangelical Christians, who would want anything as severe as "Christian-Sharia" law. They're out there, and some of them have outsized influence to be sure, but I don't really fear them any more. Attrition of the older folks is costing them dearly.

To my own embarrassment I often overestimated the threat even just a short time ago. They slowed down marriage equality and, frankly, that's about it. It was a paper tiger.

Support for a Santorumesque quasi-theocracy is probably closer to 1/50. Maybe even a little more than that. Supporters for full on freaking Christian Sharia, complete with banning freedom of religion and supporting DEATH PENALTIES for violating Biblical morality... that's probably more like 1/1000, if that.


Wanting to maintain a dubious status quo hardly equates to imposing frakking Sharia. Don't get me wrong, I don't think goernment should attempt to impose religious morality on others, but that comparison really doesn't go very far.

Yeah, that.

Now thats some class A fear mongering there. You newbs at fearmongering pay attention - this is how you do it (cue Bobby Brown music here).

The vast majority of Christians dont want any such thing. And I fairly sure even those labled as 'right wing extremists' or 'religious fundamentalists' by certain people probably dont either. Unless of course you think being supportive of traditional marriage is equal to desiring to instill Sharia Law in America (which I think most sane people would agree is silly).

I think Form might think exactly that:lol:
 
Now thats some class A fear mongering there. You newbs at fearmongering pay attention - this is how you do it (cue Bobby Brown music here).
Hypocritically "discussing me again" while deliberately misrepresenting my views? :nono: :crazyeye:

I think Form might think exactly that:lol:
The "vast majority" obviously don't. But many of the fundamentalists and evangelicals certainly do. Ironically, it is quite frequently the very same people who incessantly whine about the non-existent threat of Sharia law in this country. Or those who deliberately try to falsely portray it in nonsensical terms like "DEATH PENALTIES for violating Biblical morality". :crazyeye:

It is quite simple. This nation was founded on the basic precept of separation of church and state. It is about time the religious right finally decides to support and defend the basic tenets which this country was founded instead of trying to return us to the distant past. How the Bible falsely misinterprets the roles of females in society is completely irrelevant to any modern society. Trying to use it to determine our laws is very similar to imposing Sharia law on the unwilling.
 
Even as a cold-blooded practical matter we don't have the kind of consensus we need for a "Biblical America" anymore.
 
Hypocritically "discussing me again" while deliberately misrepresenting my views? :nono: :crazyeye:

No, I was plainly discussing your link, not you. So thats an error on your part.

And btw, this comment by you is discussing me again. :nono:

The "vast majority" obviously don't.

See? We can agree on something.

But many of the fundamentalists and evangelicals certainly do.

Not nearly as many as you would allege. I could see the argument for a group like the Westboro Baptist Church, sure. But a lot of others just dont reach that level at all.

Ironically, it is quite frequently the very same people who incessantly whine about the non-existent threat of Sharia law in this country.

Well, to be honest, that 'christian threat' being implied all the time is pretty much non-existant as well.

It is quite simple. This nation was founded on the basic precept of separation of church and state.

Not really. It had more to do with religious freedom than some attempt to remove religion from everything. If the founders did indeed consider separation of church and state to the extent you claim, then why would someone like Benjamin Franklin open sessions of congress with prayer? Point is, the actions of the founders simply dont match your allegation of their intent.

It is about time the religious right finally decides to support and defend the basic tenets which this country was founded instead of trying to return us to the distant past.

I dont think they agree with you that separation of church and state is a 'basic tenant'. I think their intent was freedom of religion - not freedom from religion.

How the Bible falsely misinterprets the roles of females in society is completely irrelevant to any modern society. Trying to use it to determine our laws is very similar to imposing Sharia law on the unwilling.

I think the vast majority would certainly disagree with this silly thought.
 
What many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians want instead of Sharia law is their own Christian version of Sharia law, which they continue to try to impose on everybody else as they have for centuries now.



Michele Bachmann Wants To Enact Sharia Law – The Christian Version (VIDEO)

If you are opposed to separation of church and state, you are in favor of a Christian version of Sharia law.

You do realise that most of our laws in Western Society are based in Christianity and the Bible.
 
You do realise that most of our laws in Western Society are based in Christianity and the Bible.

Kinda. But past performance doesn't guarantee future results.

If only 10% of Westerners are Christian in 75 years ( not an insane estimate ) what are you going to say, "Do what we say because reasons!:dunno:" ?

Things change. Despite my liberal veneer I'm not always okay with change. I find many current trends in society very disturbing, in fact. When I hear sociopaths wonderful people babble about the "post-privacy" era I want to introduce them to the "post-dental" era with a crowbar, but sh*t happens. Change isn't always better, but it is always coming.

If you really believe in your God then you'll win in the end, won't you?
 
Anti-discrimination laws are needed. It's not such a problem if a restaurant doesn't want to serve TSA officers because, well there are plenty of other places they can go but in some situations if the majority of people will discriminate then it makes life difficult for certain people. In Turkey most people won't rent apartments to single people and it can take a long time to find an apartment because there's no housing discrimination laws in Turkey, or if there are they are not enforced or don't cover instances like this. If you wait months to find an apartment and have people over and over again openly turn you down then you would want to have laws to protect you.
 
No, I was plainly discussing your link, not you. So thats an error on your part.
Only you "plainly" quoted my entire post. "So that's an error on your part".:crazyeye:

And you continue to hypocritically engage in "discussing me again" :nono:

So you see, you aren't "dedicating myself to rise above your level" at all as you quite falsely alleged. You are actually standing in quicksand, as usual, this time by even whining about me commenting on you commenting on me. :goodjob:

Not nearly as many as you would allege.
I'm not "alleging" anything. I am pointing them out as Dutchfire did in the OP! :crazyeye:


Link to video.

The only difference is that they are willing to admit what they actually believe, while you continue to not do so despite having essentially same religious beliefs:


Link to video.

The right wingers are so scared of Sharia law because that's what we want to do. So it is in direct competition to us.

At least GW is willing to vote for atheists...

You do realise that most of our laws in Western Society are based in Christianity and the Bible.
"You do realize" that virtually all modern societies have essentially the same laws, yet many of them are obviously not based on Christianity or the Bible. That both the US and Australia have secular governments, not theocratic ones. That Christianity and the Bible are actually based on myths which are common with a multitude of different religions. That much the morality portrayed in the Bible, especially in the OT, ceased to be followed long ago for quite obvious reasons.

The point is this. It doesn't really concern me in the least how you have decided to live your own life. But you can't try to tell me how to live mine based on those beliefs. That doing so by Christians is no different than Muslims doing the same thing, and even as the al-Qaeda is trying to do so as Cenk Uygar pointed out.
 
Ann Coulter would join.

COULTER: If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine, but I don't think it's going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.


Coulter is a PR shill for the plutocrats. Nothing she says can be taken at face value.
 
You do realise that most of our laws in Western Society are based in Christianity and the Bible.

'Based' in the loosest sense that the Bible recognises principles of good law and good sense which are generally universal; there are very few modern laws which reproduce a Biblical law exactly. This is a marked contrast to Saudi Arabia, which endeavours to do just that; more of our laws are grounded in Roman, Norman, Church and Common law as well as our own indigenous English, British and American traditions.
 
Only you "plainly" quoted my entire post. "So that's an error on your part".:crazyeye:

How else am I supposed to reply to something you link in a quote? Again, I just clarified for you how my comment wasnt personal, and if one takes that in its context as explained, its easy to see it wasnt personal.

And you continue to hypocritically engage in "discussing me again" :nono:

I didnt...and this is you discussing me again :nono:

So you see, you aren't "dedicating myself to rise above your level" at all as you quite falsely alleged.

This is you discussing me again. :nono:

You are actually standing in quicksand, as usual, this time by even whining about me commenting on you commenting on me. :goodjob:

This is you discussing me again. :nono:

I'm not "alleging" anything. I am pointing them out as Dutchfire did in the OP! :crazyeye:

The OP was about politics in the Netherlands.

The only difference is that they are willing to admit what they actually believe, while you continue to not do so despite having essentially same religious beliefs:

This is you discussing me again. :nono:
 
What many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians want instead of Sharia law is their own Christian version of Sharia law, which they continue to try to impose on everybody else as they have for centuries now.



Michele Bachmann Wants To Enact Sharia Law – The Christian Version (VIDEO)

If you are opposed to separation of church and state, you are in favor of a Christian version of Sharia law.

There are shades of gray here. And this coming from someone who does indeed support separation of church and state, albeit perhaps not by your definition.

It is quite simple. This nation was founded on the basic precept of separation of church and state. It is about time the religious right finally decides to support and defend the basic tenets which this country was founded instead of trying to return us to the distant past. How the Bible falsely misinterprets the roles of females in society is completely irrelevant to any modern society. Trying to use it to determine our laws is very similar to imposing Sharia law on the unwilling.

Nobody is saying women shouldn't be legally allowed to do anything.

Even as a cold-blooded practical matter we don't have the kind of consensus we need for a "Biblical America" anymore.

What does this mean?

Anti-discrimination laws are needed. It's not such a problem if a restaurant doesn't want to serve TSA officers because, well there are plenty of other places they can go but in some situations if the majority of people will discriminate then it makes life difficult for certain people. In Turkey most people won't rent apartments to single people and it can take a long time to find an apartment because there's no housing discrimination laws in Turkey, or if there are they are not enforced or don't cover instances like this. If you wait months to find an apartment and have people over and over again openly turn you down then you would want to have laws to protect you.

Protect you from what? Being denied access to someone else's property? You clearly have no RIGHT to access someone else's property. So what I or anyone else would want is irrelevant. If I own it, I have the right to decide who the heck I want to rent it or sell it to or whatever.

As for TSA Agents, I don't care if their lives are miserable, at all. All of them deserve to be charged with treason for violation of the fourth amendment. Some of them deserve charges for sexual assault as well. I'll tell you where they can live... a prison cell.

(I have no idea if any TSA workers post here, nor do I care... Quit...)
The only difference is that they are willing to admit what they actually believe, while you continue to not do so despite having essentially same religious beliefs:




At least GW is willing to vote for atheists...

If they agree with me enough politically, yes. If faced with a direct choice between two equally qualified people, except that one was a Chrisitan and the other was an atheist, I'd pick the Christian but that's extremely unlikely to actually happen, especially for someone as radically opinionated as me. In practice, I'll vote for anyone who even broadly agrees with me politically, and that still leaves me few options in most cases. Gary Johnson would've been just barely good enough last year...

"You do realize" that virtually all modern societies have essentially the same laws, yet many of them are obviously not based on Christianity or the Bible. That both the US and Australia have secular governments, not theocratic ones.

Again... shades of gray? America still has plenty of morality enforcement laws, which I do not agree with. At the same time, murder is legal because to make it illegal would be to "Enforce Christian morality" or something. The American public is unwilling to legalize prostitution, yet is unwilling to totally and without exceptions outlaw murder. Just think about that.

That Christianity and the Bible are actually based on myths which are common with a multitude of different religions. That much the morality portrayed in the Bible, especially in the OT, ceased to be followed long ago for quite obvious reasons.

Not exactly correct.
The point is this. It doesn't really concern me in the least how you have decided to live your own life. But you can't try to tell me how to live mine based on those beliefs. That doing so by Christians is no different than Muslims doing the same thing, and even as the al-Qaeda is trying to do so as Cenk Uygar pointed out.

First of all, Al-Queda isn't trying to do that. Al-Queda is trying to get us the freak off the backs of the Middle East. I'm surprised you still haven't figured this out. Al-Queda doesn't give a crap what laws we have.

As for Sharia VS Christian law, as I've said, there's a difference in degree. It doesn't matter whether its Christians or Muslims, what matters is the degree. Just because gay marriage is illegal doesn't mean that everyone who converts from Islam or Christianity to something else is put to death. Just because we have laws against polygamy doesn't mean that everyone who has sex outside of marriage is also breaking the law. Just because drugs are illegal doesn't mean that we're going to have Prohibition of alcohol again. Exc. I'm pretty much the most radical "Shut up, tyrant!" type poster on here and even still I understand the concept of degree.

Coulter is a PR shill for the plutocrats. Nothing she says can be taken at face value.

For once I actually agree with you on something. Well, not sure if she's a PR shil., if anything she's hurting their PR. I only agree with about half of what's on most conservative talk radio but Ann Coulter is an idiot of the next level. I mean, the woman thought Romney would win freaking Illinois. Is she kidding me? Apparently not. Coulter lacks brains...

This is you discussing me again. :nono:

To be fair, its me that he was talking about:p
 
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