World Wide Wonder

So I'm up it seems, well I'll have a look at it later.

So we're just going to keep the cities, and Cathy seems to be planning war against someone.

by the By, what happened with Hammurabi for him and Cathy to fall out so badly. If they go to war with Each other, do we attack Hammurabi to gain some opportunistic cities, more votes for us, less for him=Winner winner, lets have a Chicken dinner.
 
So I'm up it seems, well I'll have a look at it later.

So we're just going to keep the cities, and Cathy seems to be planning war against someone.

by the By, what happened with Hammurabi for him and Cathy to fall out so badly. If they go to war with Each other, do we attack Hammurabi to gain some opportunistic cities, more votes for us, less for him=Winner winner, lets have a Chicken dinner.

Well we're planning to kick him in his biggest supporter, Gandhi, at the moment. If we take the cities from the Dutch border to the Cap and take and gift WvO island cities on the way, we should have enough goodwill to win the game. OF course invite Caty and WvO to the war party for some diplo goodwill.
 
So I'm up it seems, well I'll have a look at it later.

So we're just going to keep the cities, and Cathy seems to be planning war against someone.

by the By, what happened with Hammurabi for him and Cathy to fall out so badly. If they go to war with Each other, do we attack Hammurabi to gain some opportunistic cities, more votes for us, less for him=Winner winner, lets have a Chicken dinner.

That something I totally forgot about! I still think a few turns of nationhood would help on that, along with a few cannons and some Calvary update taking a few of his cities there are fine by me! takes him out of the running.
 
Actually had a look at game;

1) Cities building Frigates, WITHOUT a Drydock, and Frigates are outdated with combustion, at worst, build till 1/2 turns and wait for Combustion with Drydocks.
2) Cities building Rifles, WITHOUT a Barracks, doesn't get more basic than that.
3) Condate, best Candidate for Ironworks, it has access to both Iron and Coal (100%:hammers:) 2 Settled GG's 2nd Troop production city.
4) Farms on Plains or Cottages even, why?? make these into Workshops if can handle food loss, Commerce pfffttt.
5) Cities with inappropriate specialists hired, or building Culture when wealth is better. Production cities building wealth and not troops, et al.

Q'n are we in a position to take on Hammurabi IF!!!! ( I think most likely) Catherine declares upon him.

A. We can't even SPECULATE ABOUT IT. All this talk about Gandhi is just that, TALK. We're not even in a position to take on Gandhi, let alone Hammurabi.

We need the following, in my opinion;

Troops and Tech's:

Assembly line and Infantry.
Combustion, Destroyers and Drydocks in most coastal cities.

Wonders;

Christo Redentor- Civics changes and such and because we must under Variant.
Eiffel Tower- Free Broadcast towers in all cities, needed for our Border cities that can't spare time or production to build a Broadcast tower.
Rock and Roll- Gives 1 Hit Musical, meh. But we have to wonder spam, so 3rd not urgent

Lack of Focus, it may seem in the bag, but UNLESS we can swing the votes our way, by Either taking on Gandhi, which we're not even close to being able to, or Hammurabi, who we can't even speculate on, we've a long way to go.

Senario worst case 2 of;

Catherine attacks Gandhi 30% probability- She vassalizes him and moves on to Willem gaining a domination vicitory with Hammurabi rolling over last. WE LOSE.

Catherine attacks Hammurabi 70% probability(long shared border, +1 relations)- Both about equal in strength, Given the garrison's maintained by the AI, no damage. We're in no shape or form to even take advantage and snipe a city or 3, we'd have to refuse to join war, taking further hits to prestige.

Solution increase espionage to Hammurabi, but we're being out spied now, and need to maintain research focus on Catherine as well. Would take over 6K in espionage to light up cities, and major investment in Security bureau's Jails and intelligence agencies. I really never even bother once reaching late game.

Finally PPP

Build Drydocks and Harbours (we're in Mercantilism)
Build troops, but hold off till Assembly line/Combustion for completion.
Wonder spam in Rome Christo Redentor and Eiffel Tower (if still Available)
Build Ironworks in Condate, use as 2nd troop production facility.
 
ok can the AI plan war against you with a defence pact, if not, it's Gandhi as Target.

But..Hammurabi is -7 towards Catherine, and yet maintains a defence pact????
Catherine is +1 towards Hammurabi and Cautious towards him, and maintains a defence pact.

We should break our defence pact with Hammurabi, until know who Catherine is going against, she has a high attack courage, 20 % peace weight at Cautious.

Depending on that, I'd have to say Gandhi, unfortunately. But still break Hammurabi defence pact.
 
IPEX you're forgetting one thing, Gandhi's a wuss, any half decent force will have him rolling over before you can say "I have won a Diplo victory". Also if we attack soon, we can get both WvO and Cathy in, therefore cementing two large blocks of votes. All that is stopping us from winning at the moment is Gandhi's hate, Hammy doesn't even like him so only way he'll dec on us is by bribe.


Ok slightly underestimated Gandhi on power, he does have mil science, which gives both ships of the line and grens. I think research steel after biology, do massive upgrade, and see if we can trade Mil Sci off Hammy, and pick a few maces and/or praets for our own grenadier upgrades.
 
ok can the AI plan war against you with a defence pact, if not, it's Gandhi as Target.

Good ?, I'll look that up today.

But..Hammurabi is -7 towards Catherine, and yet maintains a defence pact????
Catherine is +1 towards Hammurabi and Cautious towards him, and maintains a defence pact.

We should break our defence pact with Hammurabi, until know who Catherine is going against, she has a high attack courage, 20 % peace weight at Cautious.

Depending on that, I'd have to say Gandhi, unfortunately. But still break Hammurabi defence pact.
:agree: We want to be on Cathy's side. Running a few turns of :espionage: would get enough eps to see, OR send a few cavs with Sentry to his cities would work also!
Plan sounds good.

IPEX you're forgetting one thing, Gandhi's a wuss, any half decent force will have him rolling over before you can say "I have won a Diplo victory". Also if we attack soon, we can get both WvO and Cathy in, therefore cementing two large blocks of votes. All that is stopping us from winning at the moment is Gandhi's hate, Hammy doesn't even like him so only way he'll dec on us is by bribe.


Ok slightly underestimated Gandhi on power, he does have mil science, which gives both ships of the line and grens. I think research steel after biology, do massive upgrade, and see if we can trade Mil Sci off Hammy, and pick a few maces and/or praets for our own grenadier upgrades.

After Combustion getting some destroyers to protect our frigates from those SoL, the odds weigh in Cathy going after Hammy. After building up she'll cancel that DP towards him soon after we do.

The Gandhi war would be easy to roll through, but need to see if He would drag Hammy in on it.

Go ahead and play IPEX, 15 turns should suffice.
 
Gandhi is pleased only with Hammy, at +4, afaik we're still at around +9 or +10 with Hammy, so I can only see him bribed into attacking us. Gandhi hasn't much to bribe with.
 
I'll play in under 24hr's, won't be any war, unless its opportunistic.

It'll just be a basic setting up the cities, and tech.

We really have no standing army to send to Gandhi, and the one we have is in flip suppression in Madrid. Gandhi has Grenadiers, SoL..not scared of AI flotilla, but we only have rifles which Grenadiers get 50% bonus on Attack against.

A few Machine guns wouldn't go astray either.
 
1665 AD


T+0


A picture or 2 is worth a thousand words, or in this case four thousand.


Before


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After


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Notes:


Setia whips a Lighthouse, changing from Culture to do so, 28 turns.
Dover whips a Hindu Temple, 33 turns, into a Courthouse -5.38 :gold:, stagnates cutting build time to 1/3 of previous figure of 90 day's.
Portus Dubris Builds 3 Hindu Missionaries, its our STATE RELIGION !!!!!!! No rifles till Infantry is in.

I adjust the specialists assigned in the cities, blowing out research by 1 turn to 8 @ 50%, since going to 60% costs another 100 :gold:, Big change was in Rome, 4 Merchants are hired to influence the next great person in 17 turns to be a Great Merchant for Sids Sushi. This added 1 turn to Christo Redentor, but I hope to make it back by converting 2 Plains farms into Workshops for a loss of 2 food eaten, but 4 potential food, but gaining 8 :hammers:


Spoiler :
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Londinium big changes as well

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Cumae loses 3 Plains farms for Workshops, Dry docks and ships non stop here.


We still have 2 workers trapped in Seville, I trapped them there, in my last set, Why haven't they been sprung by now???


I cancel the defence pact with Hammurabi, Looks like Catherine is going after Gandhi, but I hope I'm still wrong in that assumption.


I make a resource trade with Willem, and find out the Circus is in town. Who's the fool who said NEVER TRADE WITH GANDHI!!! we have 16 gold going to waste....arrrggghhhh...( :think: great strategy wasn't it )


I further bribe Catherine into a 3 civics change with Steam Power, it'll slow her down with wonder building, going to war, and solidify our votes as being Hindu.

Spoiler :
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Hammurabi, isn't so foolish, won't change civics at all.


All right, in a move of Shear Brilliance, I DEMAND 16 gold per turn from Gandhi, and he relents to it. We're now cash flow Positive at 50%. I further demand 60 gold off Isabella, she'll never come around to liking us,
I then request Military Science of a friendly Lincoln, was refused, and thinking I've done my dash, request all his gold, 320 of it, and
Spoiler :
received 320 gold :crazyeye::goodjob:



T+1


Looking for a Galleon to pick up the 2 workers in Seville, I finally notice our standing army embarked on board, who knew, who thought to tell me, and I thought you all just talked rubbish like I tend to do, well I stand by my comments. :p


Gandhi's settled a few cities off our shore, and I actually thought they were safe behind our culture. Take them Militarily anyway.


I'm so busy berating everyone, I forget to build a mining Corp Executive and spread it to another city to spread further. Yeah, me and EVERY ONE ELSE.


Christo is back to 9 or back on original schedule.


I find 3 workers asleep in Evertonium, sloppy play people, sloppy play. I set them to making rail roads, or workshops. Ok, sloppy of me to miss, but I shouldn't have to look for things like that.


T+2


Nothing much happens, send a 6 movment Galleon to scout out the cities Gandhi settled, all pop 1, 1 has a Grenadier, probably best to attack from sea, as we'll have 50% bonus against us on attack by Grenadier, but if only 1, wouldn't use to attack.


T+3


Gandhi come by offering this trade deal


Spoiler :
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Refused.



Sakae, has its Border popped, goes onto building a courthouse, -6 expenses.


T+4


Nothing much, making rail roads on mines,


T+5


Hammurabi changed to Universal suffrage from Hereditary rule


T+6

I messed up, and hit Alt-F4, thinking I could access another window, well I did, but closed the game, lucky it auto saved that turn.

We had a U.N. Vote, I was trying to reclaim the screen shot, selected diplomatic Victory, I voted for us of course.

We lost a Caravel to a privateer as well last time.

Satricum lighthouse=> Courthouse


T+7


Crap, Lincoln voted for Hammurabi, as he's changed to his Favourite Civic.


Spread Hinduism further.


T+8


I let 1 Rifleman slip through before we get Assembly line, oh well. Building Rail roads on all mines and lumber mills.


I 4 pop whip Christo Redentor for 4 pop, 3 citizens and 1 4 food farm, for 108 overflow, doubled by using iron to build Eiffel tower.

Spoiler :
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T+9


Assembly line is in, I choose combustion, mainly for the wells and Destroyers. Thought about Industrialism, but without combustion, no oil wells, no battleships.


Begin factory builds. Actually decide against it till they have Mining corp to speed it up.


T+10


We have a Monopoly on Assembly line, I choose not to trade it away. Though 1 turn on Artillery we could get that and Combustion from Hammurabi, but we want an advantage against him Militarily.


Only 1 out of 3 of Gandhi's cities have 2+ population, still waiting.


Hit 60%, combustion in 3 turns @ -95 gold.


2/3 have hit 2+ pop, I send down the fleet to take them over.


Adjust cities, Combustion in 3 losing 95 gold, Eiffel tower in 9.


Build another Mining Corp Executive in Condate, so 3rd city can spam them probably Londinium as one of 6 making 30-36 hammers.


Bite the Bullet Change Civic's to;


Organized Religion, State Property, Caste System, and Universal suffrage, all for Hammers boost only. Only don't do Nationhood, as would kill capital, and we can see all research. Too many to catch Hammurabi. Drops Eiffel Tower by 1 turn.


T+11


Hammurabi completes Rock and Roll, Meh, +1 Happy, easy enough to trade for.


Peace Treaty with Gandhi is ended, will attack in 1 or 2 turns as nearly all in position, making +200 gold/turn with Combustion in 2 turns.


Swap to Free Market, as can't build Executives under State Property, take a big hit to cash, probably switch to Mercantilism next turn. Build Mining Corp Exec in Condate, and buy it next turn.


Buy Bank in Madrid, 11 turn payback, starts on Wall Street, 6 turn earlier, paid back in 4 turns with that and bank, 180 gold better off over the 2 turns saved, increasing with corp spamming.


Pons Aelius buys its Library for 147 gold, drop slider to 50% making +200 gold now.


T+12


Hmm Both Willem and Catherine are in WHEOOHRN mode or Red fist mode, Fleets in position to take 2 cities of Gandhi's.


On Diplomatic vote in 3 turns, Lincoln is +1 in favour of Hammurabi, being Friendly with us both. Do I wait for Cathy to declare on Gandhi or Hammurabi, or pull the trigger now.


Hmm interesting Cathy is in Free speech, I think I swapped her to it, or is she battling it out with Hammurabi??


Holly Crap, I dial up the Clown, offer deer for Coal, ask what will make this work, thinking “here it comes”, and he throws in 1 gold... Yeah ha. +1 :hammers: and +1 :gold:.


A Friendly Hammurabi, give me 1 Iron, and +3 gold for 1 wheat. Yeah baby.


Bah... I attack Gandhi, lets get it on.!!!! Besides he's settled on Oil, and doesn't have Combustion,


I tell Gandhi the bad news, he doesn't take it well, cancels our 16 gold /turn gift, but gives up


Spoiler :
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Only now think to Garrison the 3 cities with no garrisons. :lol:


3 civic swap to Police state, Mercantilism, and Theocracy.


1706 2 turns ago, Catherine adopted Free speech, state property and Free Religion, I think I bribed her out of all 3


T+13


Vote come up 1 turn early, Hmm just refused a demand from Hammurabi, won't replace him as 2nd candidate. I voted for single currency, as we're staying in Mercantilism.


Take city No 2, no defenders :lol:
Wouldn't you know it, I miss hitting Combustion by 4 lousy science, I set it to zero, to build up cash for upgrading.


T+14


Single currency or Trade routes Succeeds, we now have 4 Routes in our cities. Set Research to Industrialism, due in 53 turns. Garrison some cities on coast, Namely ROME!!!!! with Machine guns. Start upgrades to Naval forces.


Move to take Mauryan, barbarian city, because we can and should.


Grabbed a lone worker from Gandhi, awaiting pop 2 in city.


Sold Rail road to Willem for 390 gold, as he had only 1 turn, I meant to sell it last turn, lucky hey.


T+15


Van Orange declares war On Gandhi as well, who else. I don't think we'll see any forces attacking us now. Lets take it to Gandhi.


T+16


Hmm I think I missed a turn to wards the end, I played 2 extra, to get us to 1720 and even number and not 1716. Anyway, We built the Eiffel Tower, free Broadcast tower, in those border cities that can't spare the production.


We've taken 2 Indian cities, a 3rd just waiting for pop growth to 2, sending 2 naval stacks to attack another 2 island cities, I messed up and sent one stack for 1 turn the long way. Attacking a Barbarian city, because its still barbarian.


Upgrading Naval forces, Transports 1st, then Destroyers, and Transports will kill wooden ships. Gandhi has Combustion in 8, but no oil once we take the 2nd city.


Catherine has a Stack of doom on the move through out lands, so it looks more and more like Hammurabi. She's in Free Speech, State property and Universal suffrage I think.


Spammed Mining Corp to Rome in end, no wonders left to build, so spam Mining Corp Executives to our cities now. Try to farm a Great Merchant in Rome, due in 5 turns I think, with Probability rising from 25% to over 35% now.


Games pretty much in bag now, Friendly Catherine, Willem. Lincoln is the problem, he now LOVES Hammurabi due to civics, should have got him to swap out, bribe him with a tech. (Lincoln out of Universal suffrage)


Notes on Game:


I have left some ships on move to orders, they will arrive at cities to take and keep of Gandhi's. Cleaned up the map some.


Keep building Rail roads on Mines 1st, Lumber mills as well, then join the cities.


I'd just leave science off and keep upgrading units.


Shadow that Stack from Catherine that's just left Vandal, who's she going to attack with it???


SLEEPING WORKERS IN CITY, AND ON AUTO NETWORK...not nice jan....not nice at all, don't you know you don't upset the crazy Australian...Why???? BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY!!!!!


I've had my rant, I'm sure I've done things to upset as well, but if not mentioned, it'll just keep happening.

UPLOADED PHOTO'S NOW
 
Great job IPEX! I thought on the war with Gandhi we were going to take his core cities? Also if we get into a war with Hammy, we need an army to take some of his border towns. Forgot to scout him out.

That Emancipation BS is eating at our :), -8:mad: is a lot of growth! IF our GM pops next turn then let's switch to Eman.

How can we get Lincoln? We could sends some spies and apply about +9-10 towards him for about 8 turns to have enough to do it. Spies would arrive by then.

Can get copper from WvO to boost our Mining.
 
And that means I'm up. I'll look at the game and come back in a small while, reinstall BULL dll and play tomorrow.

Edit: Plan is to head towards the core of Gandhi and see how much we can extort off him. We obviously don't have enough at the moment to completely take him out so it will be a bit piecemeal.

Both Cathy and WvO are WHEOOHRN and from diplo screen I'm guessing Cathy on Hammy and WvO on Gandhi, unfortunately we cannot bribe. If the situation changes I will bribe them into war with Gandhi.

GP in Rome next turn, if GM found Sushi in Madrid if other settle in Rome.

Builds will be military geared during the set.
 
Looking at forces we probably have enough to defend especially with cash to mass-upgrade to Infantry. Interestingly enough we have enough culture in Madrid that we can begin to start thinning the garrison, if I upgrade Lbows to Infantry there further thinning can be done (due to increased garrison effeciveness of better units).

However an attack is probably out of the question in the next few turns, unless we go vulture and use Cathy's SoD as our artillery, which is probably doable for at least one city.
 
Yeah build up army, keep taking cities off Gandhi, accept any invites to attack Hammy from Cathy.



Edit: I'm crying off on playing the game tonight, as I'm well within the 24/48 limit and my rear end is too lazy to get into gear. Will deffo play tomorrow.
 
Fairly straight forward from here, I was just cleaning up our back yard before going into Gandhi's core. You have to have you own house in order before you can visit someone else's home.

On Hammurabi, if he loses too many cities, who's No 3 on population front?? We might have to tread carefully here. If Willem is gifted the Core Gandhi cites and becomes No 2, and we've gone and attacked Hammurabi, losing our votes there, we cut off our nose to spite our face.

It just may be worth NOT joining in a war against Hammurabi, taking the diplomatic hit, hopefully we can stay above friendly with both, and take enough off Gandhi, with switching Lincoln out of Universal suffrage, and getting his votes back.
 
It just may be worth NOT joining in a war against Hammurabi, taking the diplomatic hit, hopefully we can stay above friendly with both, and take enough off Gandhi, with switching Lincoln out of Universal suffrage, and getting his votes back.

I would declare war on Hammy. On population it's Us, then 10% to Hammy, and then another good few percent to WvO (I counted over 60 pop difference at the end of cripp's turn), and then another 40 pop or so to Cathy, so I think we're fairly safe there that we could steal the city Northish of Neapolis to ease the cultural pressure. But if we're worried on UN opponent we can keep it phony, we definitely have the forces to defend as is.

As regards Lincoln, my calculation and formulation of "Gandhitober Suprise" was based on 69 votes away from a winning vote (based on Sec Gen vote and relations work) and I was talking about putting +80 pop to us and +11 pop to WvO, so Lincoln would be nice but not essential to a win. I'll convert him just in case we actually do need the buffer.
 
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