Would you vote for Calexit?

[maximustrajan]

Lets say Califonia actually were to leave the Union, would it be a viable country? What would the effect be on the rest of the nation? I think they might actually be willing to go along with this actually... What would the seat of government be? Hollywood?

Discuss...

i think it would be practical to keep the seat of government in Sac town, since the infrastructure is already there.. Why Hollywood?? that doesnt really have any purpose in my mind, to have the capital there, in the part of the country where the citizens are the citizens are the MOST out of touch with reality.. No, Sac town or San Jose, somewhere in the Bay Are, the middle of the State, close to the tech corridor and the really smart universities would be a good location i reckon.. and the sierra mountains and the nevada desert will act as a buffer to the rest of the RSA... However if my Raiders move to Vegas, we gotta gobble up Nevada as a part of our New Republic of California..I mean we should take Vegas with us for sure.. They were Bernie Sanders people anyways, they are good peeps..

 

[maximustrajan]

I seem to recall that it's going to leave anyway, some day. Some little issue called "plate tectonics"...


Why on earth would we want a border with California?

Hey dont get too smug in your briches there canuck.. Im living in Vancouver right now, and I run into misogynistic, racist trump supporting canadians all the time, especially downtown.. Apparently there is this female version of Trump, from somewhere around you or ontario, who is gonna be running in the next election.. The vibe i get, is i reckon Canada is gonna join the fray of Nationlist fear mongering Xenophobic retro-states.. its just a vibe im gettin.. i hope it aint true..

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Hey dont get too smug in your briches there canuck.. Im living in Vancouver right now, and I run into misogynistic, racist trump supporting canadians all the time, especially downtown.. Apparently there is this female version of Trump, from somewhere around you or ontario, who is gonna be running in the next election.. The vibe i get, is i reckon Canada is gonna join the fray of Nationlist fear mongering Xenophobic retro-states.. its just a vibe im gettin.. i hope it aint true..

I will be as smug as I please, thank you, since I don't happen to be one of those misogynistic, racist, Trump-supporting Canadians.

You might find it interesting to look up a couple of threads from 2015 that deal with the last Alberta provincial election and last year's federal election. In both cases we threw out the Conservatives (or in the federal one, the Reform Party that's still pretending to be the Conservatives). During last year's federal election I sported an orange "Keep Calm and Heave Steve" avatar here.

I'm in Alberta, and Kellie Leitch is in Ontario. She can stay there, or better yet, she can leave and go join Trump. She's running for the leadership of the federal Conservative Party of Canada (aka the Reformacons), as Stephen Harper stepped down last year. For some reason she's fixated on "Canadian values" and seems to think that she can save Canada by instituting all the racist, intolerant crap that Harper espoused, with added input from Trump. She (along with some of the other Reformacon women) are pathologically obsessed with hating Justin Trudeau because he (gasp!) is occasionally seen in public without his shirt, and he's (gasp!) friendly and gracious to ordinary people on the street. Her declaration that "Trump's message needs to be delivered to all Canadians" is obscene.

It's honestly stomach-turning to see how some Canadians are beginning to think that because nobody reined in Trump's hate speech, that sort of thing is acceptable here. And yes, it could happen in 2019 that the Reformacons will get in again, but unless they engage in even worse electoral fraud than they did before, I doubt they would get in if Leitch wins the leadership race. The thing to remember is that we don't vote directly for the prime minister. The leader of the party that wins the most seats becomes the PM, so it's crucial to choose someone who would be capable of doing that job, as well.

But it's unlikely that Leitch will win. She's alienating quite a few of her own colleagues, either because they genuinely find her attitude disgusting, or because they're finally starting to realize that the electorate isn't in the mood for more of the divisive, intolerant garbage we had with the 9.5 years under Stephen Harper.


Another leadership race to consider is the one here in Alberta. Harper's lapdog Jason Kenney is running for the Conservative leadership, with the goal of merging that party with the Wild Rose party to "unite the right". He just recently got fined for trespassing in a polling station, and people are calling him out for it.

 

[W|M]

This is what the implementation of ''Canadian values'' involved until just 20 years ago

 

[tetley]

I bet we could get Canada, Mexico and other countries to announce their intent to recognize California and immediately commence diplomatic relations with them. That could help Yes California gain some steam.

Especially from California voters. Can you imagine? Instead of dealing with just Washington, they deal with Beijing. Tokyo. London.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

This is what the implementation of ''Canadian values'' involved until just 20 years ago

Yes, it's a shameful part of our history, along with the "Sixties Scoop" - something I'd never heard of until some articles were posted on CBC.ca a few weeks ago. Aboriginal children were kidnapped from their homes and literally sold to adoptive parents in the U.S. and Europe.

A lot of this hasn't been routinely taught in schools here, at least not when I was in school. When it was mentioned, it was with the sense of "this happened a long time ago and we don't do it anymore." The thing is, I graduated 16 years before the last residential school was closed. I didn't know they were still going on until a very long time later.

Part of the Truth and Reconciliation process is to teach this in schools now, from elementary through university. Some colleges and university have added a requirement for students to take a course in aboriginal studies. Some students are resisting, if they don't see how it relates to their program (some of them have a point, actually). And there was a recent kerfuffle in which a mother was livid to find out that her child's school had held a smudging ceremony and not allowed the kids to opt out if they wanted. She accused the school of forcing the students to attend a religious ceremony.

 

[Silurian]

Canada is not the only country to blame.

From British Home Children Register

"From the late 1860s right up to 1948, over 100,000 children of all ages were emigrated from Britain to right across Canada to be used as indentured farm workers and domestics. Believed by Canadians to be orphans, only two percent truly were. These children were sent to Canada by over 50 organizations including the well-known and still working charities: Barnardo's, The Salvation Army and Quarrier's, to name a few."

http://www.britishhomechildrenregistry.com/

 

[CavLancer]

i think it would be practical to keep the seat of government in Sac town, since the infrastructure is already there.. Why Hollywood?? that doesnt really have any purpose in my mind, to have the capital there, in the part of the country where the citizens are the citizens are the MOST out of touch with reality.. No, Sac town or San Jose, somewhere in the Bay Are, the middle of the State, close to the tech corridor and the really smart universities would be a good location i reckon.. and the sierra mountains and the nevada desert will act as a buffer to the rest of the RSA... However if my Raiders move to Vegas, we gotta gobble up Nevada as a part of our New Republic of California..I mean we should take Vegas with us for sure.. They were Bernie Sanders people anyways, they are good peeps..

Max, sure if you could do what you want to create a national split, Then Cali, Nevada, Oregon and Washington would be sweet. I would still put the capitol In Hollywood because of that delusion thinking. Those folks already live in their own fantasy universe and since Calexit isn't going to happen in this universe, its the best choice. Sure, if this is Civ2 then having it in the middle is best to deter civil unrest or some such, don't recall.

 

[Hygro]

I bet we could get Canada, Mexico and other countries to announce their intent to recognize California and immediately commence diplomatic relations with them. That could help Yes California gain some steam.

Especially from California voters. Can you imagine? Instead of dealing with just Washington, they deal with Beijing. Tokyo. London.

We would have foreign affairs on our ballot as citizens.

 

[Bootstoots]

By the way, although I know this is already around as an alternative term, it really needs to be Califrexit. Calexit doesn't sound as cool or roll off the tongue as well. I thought Californians were cool trend-setters. Surely they should notice that Califrexit is a better word.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

By the way, although I know this is already around as an alternative term, it really needs to be Califrexit. Calexit doesn't sound as cool or roll off the tongue as well. I thought Californians were cool trend-setters. Surely they should notice that Califrexit is a better word.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Mary Poppins?

"Supercalifragilexitexpialidocious..."

 

[onejayhawk]

Backward works better--dociousaliexpeisticFragileCalirepus.

It's still a bit much, don't you think?

J

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Backward works better--dociousaliexpeisticFragileCalirepus.

It's still a bit much, don't you think?

J

Sounds atrocious either way.

 

[W|M]

Better than Brexit/Grexit

 

[civver_764]

I think a Calexit would be awesome...maybe more states would follow suit.

 

[tetley]

The ones calling Calexit a pipe dream aren't the ones who will make it actually happen. We need to give Yes California some critical mass, and make it a reality. Then either California really can be free of the bonds of the U.S., or we can show Washington's true colors: forcing the people to remain in the union against their will.

 

[sophie]

The ones calling Calexit a pipe dream aren't the ones who will make it actually happen. We need to give Yes California some critical mass, and make it a reality. Then either California really can be free of the bonds of the U.S., or we can show Washington's true colors: forcing the people to remain in the union against their will.

That's already been revealed. In Texas v. White. No state can leave unilaterally.

 

[tetley]

Yeah, but the California state legislature has not ratified it yet, nor has the U.S. Congress struck it down. Nor has Trump revoked habeas corpus and threatened to arrest for treason anyone who speaks of it yet, as President Polk did in his office. Right now, people think California doesn't want to exit and everything is wonderful.

 

[tetley]

I'm not seeing how the people of New York would want to remain a part if the union, either. New York City taxpayers are footing a $1 million-a-day bill for security around Trump Tower (not to mention the eyesore of all the barriers, and you can no longer freely walk downtown Manhattan around there, where before you could). Meanwhile, the Secret Service is renting a floor of the Trump Tower. Who do they pay that expensive Manhattan rent to, out of the Federal taxpayers' pocket, do you suppose? Act surprised, everybody.

All because Trump and Melania don't feel like leaving to the White House.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Is it usual for the incoming president to live in the White House before he's actually sworn in?