William528
I'm still here
The new patch is here! Any thought on putting in a few cities and a world map to make it more realistic?
WW2 Mod, Including Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, new Units etc...
- Thread starter Grey Fox
- Start date
pi8ch
Union's Guard
Hi!
I see you've done a lot of work with this scenario...
I'm working on a MOD named "1939" - it will be WWII scenario too, but i think it will be different from yours in some ways...
I want to make pure-war szenario like the old CivIIs, and so I'm only using the main civs, and some "side-show-civs" and neutrals to have no unsettled land on the earth map (As it had been in CivII Mods becuause of the lack of civ-slots).
I wantet to have many diffeent unit's but all with their own graphics. In the meainwhile there are plenty of them!
Thank's to all unit graphic makers!
I stopped working on it for a while now becuase of the few useful tools. Now with 1.29f I'm back!
when the first playable version is out, I will make up a threat.
I hope you forgive me if I'm using your thread for some general questions, but this thread is full of WWII-players, and so a discussion would improve the quality of our MODs enormous!
thanks,
pi8ch
I see you've done a lot of work with this scenario...
I'm working on a MOD named "1939" - it will be WWII scenario too, but i think it will be different from yours in some ways...
I want to make pure-war szenario like the old CivIIs, and so I'm only using the main civs, and some "side-show-civs" and neutrals to have no unsettled land on the earth map (As it had been in CivII Mods becuause of the lack of civ-slots).
I wantet to have many diffeent unit's but all with their own graphics. In the meainwhile there are plenty of them!
Thank's to all unit graphic makers!
I stopped working on it for a while now becuase of the few useful tools. Now with 1.29f I'm back!
when the first playable version is out, I will make up a threat.
I hope you forgive me if I'm using your thread for some general questions, but this thread is full of WWII-players, and so a discussion would improve the quality of our MODs enormous!
thanks,
pi8ch
pi8ch
Union's Guard
I would suggst the following civs:
I made all Governments usefull for wars and great armies. The differnet names are mostly only because of "optical" reasons.
CIV - LEADER - GOV
Main Civs
Achsenmächte - Adolf Hitler - Imperialism
Sowjetunion - Josef Stalin - Communism
British Empire - Winston Churchill - Monarchy
Japanese Empire - Hirohito - Imperialism
USA - Franklin Roosevelt - Republic
France - Charles De Gaulle - Republic
China - Chiang Kai-shek - Dictatorship
"Side Roll" Civs
España - Francisco Franco - Dictatorship
Türkiye - Ismet Inönü - Republic
Argentina - Juan Péron - Dictatorship
Brasil - Getùlio Vargas - Dictatorship
Neutral Civs (not for play)
Neutral Europeans - European Leaders - Republic
Neutral Asians - Asian Leaders - Dictatorship
South Americans - South Americ. Leaders - Dictatorship
What do you think about this mix?
mfg,
pi8ch
I made all Governments usefull for wars and great armies. The differnet names are mostly only because of "optical" reasons.
CIV - LEADER - GOV
Main Civs
Achsenmächte - Adolf Hitler - Imperialism
Sowjetunion - Josef Stalin - Communism
British Empire - Winston Churchill - Monarchy
Japanese Empire - Hirohito - Imperialism
USA - Franklin Roosevelt - Republic
France - Charles De Gaulle - Republic
China - Chiang Kai-shek - Dictatorship
"Side Roll" Civs
España - Francisco Franco - Dictatorship
Türkiye - Ismet Inönü - Republic
Argentina - Juan Péron - Dictatorship
Brasil - Getùlio Vargas - Dictatorship
Neutral Civs (not for play)
Neutral Europeans - European Leaders - Republic
Neutral Asians - Asian Leaders - Dictatorship
South Americans - South Americ. Leaders - Dictatorship
What do you think about this mix?
mfg,
pi8ch
pi8ch
Union's Guard
The map
I play on a very huge realistic world-map, but I altered some continents, to reflect the importness in WWII
- Europe and the British Island became much bigger
- Africa became smaller (Space for Europe)
- The Asian Continent got shortendend (Space for Europe)
- Japan became much bigger
- The Oceans became smaller (bigger Europe,)
- A lot of Island were added in the pacific (e.g. some french islands)
- Hawaii became bigger
- America was big enough, so I left it unchanged...
mfg...
pi8ch = 8chpi
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I play on a very huge realistic world-map, but I altered some continents, to reflect the importness in WWII
- Europe and the British Island became much bigger
- Africa became smaller (Space for Europe)
- The Asian Continent got shortendend (Space for Europe)
- Japan became much bigger
- The Oceans became smaller (bigger Europe,)
- A lot of Island were added in the pacific (e.g. some french islands)
- Hawaii became bigger
- America was big enough, so I left it unchanged...
mfg...
pi8ch = 8chpi
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visit http://www.the8chpi.cjb.net for the newest versions of 1939
baseballmn8605
Chieftain
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Hey pi8ch,
Theis looks like a very promising mod so far. But i was wondering why you left out a few countrys.
Canada - although some people feel that they were working as the British army, i brlieve they worked indepentenly and had much importance to WW2
Finland - I was thinking you could maybe add them as a Side-Roll if not a main civ. They were a very important civ, because they fought in a few different parts of the war, the main one against Russia who was trying to overtake her most of the war. They put up an unbelievable fight when they were vastly outnumbered.
Keep up the good work! [dance]
Theis looks like a very promising mod so far. But i was wondering why you left out a few countrys.
Canada - although some people feel that they were working as the British army, i brlieve they worked indepentenly and had much importance to WW2
Finland - I was thinking you could maybe add them as a Side-Roll if not a main civ. They were a very important civ, because they fought in a few different parts of the war, the main one against Russia who was trying to overtake her most of the war. They put up an unbelievable fight when they were vastly outnumbered.
Keep up the good work! [dance]
baseballmn8605
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one more, where's italy?!?
pi8ch
Union's Guard
@ baseballmn8605
Interesting points...
Let's see if i can say why
Dee, there is a compact but well armed Germany (Axis) and Japan that will expand like a circle and becoming big.
There is a huge compact Sovjetunion, and a huge compact USA...
If the british would only get their Island, they had no chance in this game.
So theiy get Canada, India and the Rest of their colonies....
But Finnland wouldn't have more that 2 cities in the max. I don't thinks thats a palyable game for a human.
I thought about a one-city suisse - friend to everyone - maybe with a special cheap unit that can be bought by the others
I had the Idea to have italy seperated - but that wouldn't be good for play because of several reasons:
1) Italy would be very small even with Abessinia (Etheopia) included
2) Germany would have problems to move to Africa, because the freindship things work not always like eccepted
3) Over all - Mussolini inspirated Hitler, but in the War Mussolini and Italy was totaly dependent on Germany (you know - Italy only fought Abbesinia alone - all other italian wars like the one against Geek got won by the Germans)
So I decided to include Italy to the Axis - like nearly all WWII games that play on a World map.
I try to make a historical acceptable (100% correctness is utopical) AND a fun-playable game. Therefore I have to make some "workarounds"
Interesting points...
Let's see if i can say why
That's true I know, but I will include it into the British to make the game more balanced.
Dee, there is a compact but well armed Germany (Axis) and Japan that will expand like a circle and becoming big.
There is a huge compact Sovjetunion, and a huge compact USA...
If the british would only get their Island, they had no chance in this game.
So theiy get Canada, India and the Rest of their colonies....
Yeah - At the moment I have only the neutral Europeans - but I can seperate them into nations maybe...
But Finnland wouldn't have more that 2 cities in the max. I don't thinks thats a palyable game for a human.
I thought about a one-city suisse - friend to everyone - maybe with a special cheap unit that can be bought by the others
That's simple. As you noted I have no Germany but the Achsenmächte (Axis) - there is Italy included...
I had the Idea to have italy seperated - but that wouldn't be good for play because of several reasons:
1) Italy would be very small even with Abessinia (Etheopia) included
2) Germany would have problems to move to Africa, because the freindship things work not always like eccepted
3) Over all - Mussolini inspirated Hitler, but in the War Mussolini and Italy was totaly dependent on Germany (you know - Italy only fought Abbesinia alone - all other italian wars like the one against Geek got won by the Germans)
So I decided to include Italy to the Axis - like nearly all WWII games that play on a World map.
I try to make a historical acceptable (100% correctness is utopical) AND a fun-playable game. Therefore I have to make some "workarounds"
William528
I'm still here
The mod crushed on me!
When it's loading a warning came out saying that there's a missing entry in "text\Pedialcons.txt": TECH_Amphibious_War
Then the programme(Civ3) just closed.
Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
And what should I do about it?
When it's loading a warning came out saying that there's a missing entry in "text\Pedialcons.txt": TECH_Amphibious_War
Then the programme(Civ3) just closed.
Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
And what should I do about it?
PreTzeL_22
Tiger Tank
Will you be making this into a scenario with the new patch?
PyroManiac
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1939 Sounds promosing, I went to your site and downloaded to see what units you would be including since you are not nearly done and don't have the graphics. But, you still had the names. I'm happy that you're including things like Waffen SS, but is that the final list of units or will you be getting more, if it is the final I'm very sorry for you
Since their is not on specialized Russian tank (T-34, IS2, KV-1, KV-2, etc). Again it seemed to be the final list or else you should have not included the damn folders/file names at all. Also browsin thru the folders, and seeing what you would be including sounded promising. When do you expect it to be complete?
Since their is not on specialized Russian tank (T-34, IS2, KV-1, KV-2, etc). Again it seemed to be the final list or else you should have not included the damn folders/file names at all. Also browsin thru the folders, and seeing what you would be including sounded promising. When do you expect it to be complete?
pi8ch
Union's Guard
Don't worry!
Yesterday I made up an list..
At fist I looked what graphics do I have yet..
All of them will be included... And much more!
A main point of my idea is to add as many units as possible!!!
See below:
pi8ch
Union's Guard
Hi folks!
This is a NOT COMPLETE LIST of Units of 1939
Some units are used because I have graphics
Some units are used because They have to be included!
And of course: There will be more I hope!!
Units sorted by class
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Name in 1939 - Name of graphics - usage
"old unit" means it's not to build in the game but there are some
left for usage.
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ARMOR (no mech-inf only armored infantry)
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Tank Tank
Armor I Mech Infantry
Armor II
Armor III Modern Armor
Armor IV Panzer
MKIV
Churchill
Pershing
Sherman
Crocodile
Tiger
Königs Tiger
Sturmtiger
Panther
KV1
KV2
T-34
T-55
IS2
ISU
Kha-go
Carden Lloyd
Renault FT17
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INFANTRY (foot and mech)
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CAVALRY
Cavalry Cavalry old unit
Reiter The Reiter old unit
NORMAL INFANTRY (all defense)
Infantry Infantry standard footsoldier
Wehrmacht German Fusilier standard footsoldier, bit better than Infantry - axis version of Infantry
Chineese Infantry North Vietnamese Infantry cheap, good defense - china Version of infantry
Guards Rifleman old unit / stands in non-central cites (Africa)
Marine Infatry Sailor / Marine old unit / at habour cities like islands in the pacific etc.
Gun Nest Palisade and Gun nest by Kinboat (moving = Infantry) - good defense , poor offense
SPECIAL INFANTRY
Marines Marine good attack unit / naval attack
Paratroopers Paratrooper!! paradrop, attack
Falschirmjaeger Paratrooper axis paratroopers
Heavy Infantry Mortar good attack
Commandos Civ coloured Commando expensive, paradrop, naval attack, some worker abillites
Flamethrower Flame Thrower expensive, excelent stats
Flammenwerfer Flammenwerfer expensive, excelent stats - axis version of Flamethrower
Radar Infantry Ground Surveilance Radar - I wnat to use this, but I'm not sure how
Waffen SS WaffenSS cheap unit, good attack, poor defense - axis UU
Imperial Marines Jap.Imperial Marines powerfull (Attack and defense), naval attack - japan UU
Rangers Grunt cheap, good attack - US UU
Guerillia Geurillero cheap unit, good defense - South American UU
Red Guard ?????????(Infantry) cheaper good unit - sovjet UU
Lègion Etranger ??????????????
Expedition Troops ??????????????
Gurkhas ??????????????
MECH INFANTRY
Katyusha Katyusha by Kentonio good attack, poor defense - sovjet UU
Flak tank Flak Halftrack defense against air-things
Mot Infantry Humvee stringer than normal infantry
Mot Wehrmacht ???????????????????
Armoured Car Italian Lancia IZM Armoured Car - old unit
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ARTILLERY
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Artillery I WW1 howitzer
Artillery II Artillery
Artillery III Heavy Artillery
Artillery IV ????????????????
Eisenbahngeschuetz ???????????
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AIR
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Biplane one fo the many biplanes
Fighter I
Fighter II
Messerschmitt (Fighter III) Me262 axis additional figher (Fighter III)
Zeppelin Blimp
Bomber I
Bomber II
Bomber III
Flying Fortress (== Bomber III, but stronger) Superfrotress (Ami Bomer III)
Divebomber I
Divebomber II
Stuka I Stuka axis Divemomber
Stuka II Stuka axis Divemomber
Kamikaze Kamikaze japanese Cruise Missle
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MISSLE / BOMB
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Atomic Bomb A-Bomob the A-Bomb
Cruise Missle Cruise Missle
Vergeltungswaffe V-1 Reprisal Weapon German Cruise Missle (earlier)
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DEFENSE / MINE / INMOBILE
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Land Mine Land Mine cheap - inmobile - to "paradrop" to target
Naval Mine Naval Mine the same for navy
Radar Station Radar inmobile - for early warnins
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BATTLESHIP
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Destroyer I WW1 Battleship (=?= WW1 Dreadnought?)
Destroyer II Destroyer
Cruiser I AEGIS Destryoer
Cruiser II AEGIS Cruiser
Battleship I Perry Class Frigate (maybe changed with AEGIS)
Battleship II Battleship
Bismark Klasse Bismark aditional axis Battlehip (expensive, but string)
Yamato Class Yamato aditional japan Battlehip (expensive, but string)
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SUBMARINE
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Submarine I Submarine
Submarine II Submarine
U-Boot I Submarine
U-Boot II Advanced Submarine by Smoking Mirror
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TRANSPORT
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Carrier I ?? Carrier ??
Carrier II Carrier
Transport Transport (not original) - for short distances (attack)
Ocean Liner Modern Transport - ship for long transport (e.g. USA - Europe)
Truck I Mobile Infantry (Old unit)
Truck II Truck
Transport Plane Tranport plane
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SPECIAL
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Division ARMY MODERN TIMES
General LEADER MODERN TIMES
-----Feldmarschall General by Incubus0223 (German General)-----
Citizen SETTLER MODERN
Engineer WORKER MODERN
This is a NOT COMPLETE LIST of Units of 1939
Some units are used because I have graphics
Some units are used because They have to be included!
And of course: There will be more I hope!!
Units sorted by class
=====================
Name in 1939 - Name of graphics - usage
"old unit" means it's not to build in the game but there are some
left for usage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ARMOR (no mech-inf only armored infantry)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tank Tank
Armor I Mech Infantry
Armor II
Armor III Modern Armor
Armor IV Panzer
MKIV
Churchill
Pershing
Sherman
Crocodile
Tiger
Königs Tiger
Sturmtiger
Panther
KV1
KV2
T-34
T-55
IS2
ISU
Kha-go
Carden Lloyd
Renault FT17
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INFANTRY (foot and mech)
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CAVALRY
Cavalry Cavalry old unit
Reiter The Reiter old unit
NORMAL INFANTRY (all defense)
Infantry Infantry standard footsoldier
Wehrmacht German Fusilier standard footsoldier, bit better than Infantry - axis version of Infantry
Chineese Infantry North Vietnamese Infantry cheap, good defense - china Version of infantry
Guards Rifleman old unit / stands in non-central cites (Africa)
Marine Infatry Sailor / Marine old unit / at habour cities like islands in the pacific etc.
Gun Nest Palisade and Gun nest by Kinboat (moving = Infantry) - good defense , poor offense
SPECIAL INFANTRY
Marines Marine good attack unit / naval attack
Paratroopers Paratrooper!! paradrop, attack
Falschirmjaeger Paratrooper axis paratroopers
Heavy Infantry Mortar good attack
Commandos Civ coloured Commando expensive, paradrop, naval attack, some worker abillites
Flamethrower Flame Thrower expensive, excelent stats
Flammenwerfer Flammenwerfer expensive, excelent stats - axis version of Flamethrower
Radar Infantry Ground Surveilance Radar - I wnat to use this, but I'm not sure how
Waffen SS WaffenSS cheap unit, good attack, poor defense - axis UU
Imperial Marines Jap.Imperial Marines powerfull (Attack and defense), naval attack - japan UU
Rangers Grunt cheap, good attack - US UU
Guerillia Geurillero cheap unit, good defense - South American UU
Red Guard ?????????(Infantry) cheaper good unit - sovjet UU
Lègion Etranger ??????????????
Expedition Troops ??????????????
Gurkhas ??????????????
MECH INFANTRY
Katyusha Katyusha by Kentonio good attack, poor defense - sovjet UU
Flak tank Flak Halftrack defense against air-things
Mot Infantry Humvee stringer than normal infantry
Mot Wehrmacht ???????????????????
Armoured Car Italian Lancia IZM Armoured Car - old unit
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ARTILLERY
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Artillery I WW1 howitzer
Artillery II Artillery
Artillery III Heavy Artillery
Artillery IV ????????????????
Eisenbahngeschuetz ???????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
AIR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Biplane one fo the many biplanes
Fighter I
Fighter II
Messerschmitt (Fighter III) Me262 axis additional figher (Fighter III)
Zeppelin Blimp
Bomber I
Bomber II
Bomber III
Flying Fortress (== Bomber III, but stronger) Superfrotress (Ami Bomer III)
Divebomber I
Divebomber II
Stuka I Stuka axis Divemomber
Stuka II Stuka axis Divemomber
Kamikaze Kamikaze japanese Cruise Missle
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MISSLE / BOMB
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Atomic Bomb A-Bomob the A-Bomb
Cruise Missle Cruise Missle
Vergeltungswaffe V-1 Reprisal Weapon German Cruise Missle (earlier)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
DEFENSE / MINE / INMOBILE
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Land Mine Land Mine cheap - inmobile - to "paradrop" to target
Naval Mine Naval Mine the same for navy
Radar Station Radar inmobile - for early warnins
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BATTLESHIP
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Destroyer I WW1 Battleship (=?= WW1 Dreadnought?)
Destroyer II Destroyer
Cruiser I AEGIS Destryoer
Cruiser II AEGIS Cruiser
Battleship I Perry Class Frigate (maybe changed with AEGIS)
Battleship II Battleship
Bismark Klasse Bismark aditional axis Battlehip (expensive, but string)
Yamato Class Yamato aditional japan Battlehip (expensive, but string)
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SUBMARINE
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Submarine I Submarine
Submarine II Submarine
U-Boot I Submarine
U-Boot II Advanced Submarine by Smoking Mirror
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TRANSPORT
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Carrier I ?? Carrier ??
Carrier II Carrier
Transport Transport (not original) - for short distances (attack)
Ocean Liner Modern Transport - ship for long transport (e.g. USA - Europe)
Truck I Mobile Infantry (Old unit)
Truck II Truck
Transport Plane Tranport plane
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SPECIAL
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Division ARMY MODERN TIMES
General LEADER MODERN TIMES
-----Feldmarschall General by Incubus0223 (German General)-----
Citizen SETTLER MODERN
Engineer WORKER MODERN
pi8ch
Union's Guard
I'm sorry that the HTML of the Post ripped my spaces between the comments.... 
Soon there will be a new update of the Bic file with all units included....
bye,
pi8ch
Soon there will be a new update of the Bic file with all units included....
bye,
pi8ch
pi8ch
Union's Guard
What I wanted to say in adition:
There will be leaderheads, a complete civclopedia and such things too....
But only the txts snd the Unit foders and inis will be copied into the main Civ Directory
The Rest will be outside in the Scenarios/1939 folder.
Units will all have different names, or will use the original graphics, so that only the TXTs will be overwritten.
That makes the backup far more easy!
And dnon't worry about the unit- folders at the moment they are OLD!!!
I think over the weekend there will be several updates, beause the weather isn't fine enough to go swimming
If I'm civing I don't want any good weather !!!
until later folks!
pi8ch
There will be leaderheads, a complete civclopedia and such things too....
But only the txts snd the Unit foders and inis will be copied into the main Civ Directory
The Rest will be outside in the Scenarios/1939 folder.
Units will all have different names, or will use the original graphics, so that only the TXTs will be overwritten.
That makes the backup far more easy!
And dnon't worry about the unit- folders at the moment they are OLD!!!
I think over the weekend there will be several updates, beause the weather isn't fine enough to go swimming
If I'm civing I don't want any good weather !!!
until later folks!
pi8ch
pi8ch
Union's Guard
Hi!
Because I don't want to disturb and missuse Grey Fox's thread for 1939 I opened a thread for 1939
Go here for 1939!
Thanks Grey Fox, and sorry 'bout the mess.
So if you want to discuss 1939 please use this thread!
bye,
8chPi
Because I don't want to disturb and missuse Grey Fox's thread for 1939 I opened a thread for 1939
Go here for 1939!
Thanks Grey Fox, and sorry 'bout the mess.
So if you want to discuss 1939 please use this thread!
bye,
8chPi
Dutch
Chieftain
If you are going to do the WWII modification - I think you should have much stronger fighter planes. The fighters in the regular Civ III game has been a little disappointing (against ground forces). Especially if there is going to be a WWII scenario.
Remember, the allies completely shut down Nazi Germany's ability to move around during the day (that is why Battle of the Bulge was so initially successful for the Nazis - it was during a winter storm and the planes couldn't fly).
Bombers seem to be fine. Air to ground fighters need to be much improved.
Remember, the allies completely shut down Nazi Germany's ability to move around during the day (that is why Battle of the Bulge was so initially successful for the Nazis - it was during a winter storm and the planes couldn't fly).
Bombers seem to be fine. Air to ground fighters need to be much improved.
atatange1
Chieftain
I get that too William. How do you fix that?
one_man_assault
Dir-tay Uno
pi8ch why are u putting a T-55 in 1939? dosnt fit the timeframe
PyroManiac
Chieftain
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He's doing it because somebody (Smoking Mirror) made a unit graphic for it. I guess that since it is Civ3, the war might not end like it did in real life. So you might get early cold-war units, or atleast I think that's what he's doing!
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