Your Drones are belong to us!

[Narz]

I agree, we need more theocratic states in the world that lock up/kill homosexuals and institutionalize their citizens when they stray from the state religion.

Context my man.

I didn't say good for Iran overall, I said good for Iran for pwning our overpriced bugging device.

It's good you don't approve of such behavior though, I hope you're voting with your pocketbook & not supporting any "theocratic" states with your money.

 

[berkut]

Until Iran allows inspectors to thoroughly evaluate their nuclear development facilities, we not only have the right, but are obligated to use any means of surveillance available to observe their progress, and their strategic military capabilities in case we need to invade.

It's also worth noting that the Iranians are a backwards people. Their technological capabilities dwarf our military advances, so I doubt the veracity of their "claims". They're probably trying to do some posturing to try to stick it to us or defame our capacities. Little will it matter when we finally size them up to carve them out if it becomes necessary.

Without UN aproval, any military action against Iran defys international law. You said Iran is backwarded but rumors sais that they used russian electronicwarfare equipment to hack the plane " http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=376697 " Also that they are negociatingthe drone with China and Russia, their price is s-300, solid fuel technology and modern centrifuges "http://www.debka.com/article/21560/ ". Recently a chinese gereral theatened world war 3 to protect Iran "http://www.infowars.com/chinese-professor-threatens-third-world-war-to-protect-iran/ " Since china depends on their oil suply.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Don't forget that Israel is the black sheep in the region, being jewish, and thus is indirectly a threat to the stability in the region, as it is more likely to wage wars or get attacked.

And if we look back into the history, we'll find that the reason for that is West: in 1947, in 1933, during the war, in 1917, and in 135 when it all started.

 

[strijder20]

And if we look back into the history, we'll find that the reason for that is West: in 1947, in 1933, during the war, in 1917, and in 135 when it all started.

I'm not blaming the Israelis, but they are highly likely to get involved in a war somehow, and thus might not be the people who we want to have nuclear weapons.

 

[Angst]

How do you "capture" a drone exactly? Catch it with a giant net?

 

[red_elk]

How do you "capture" a drone exactly? Catch it with a giant net?

One version is that they were somehow able to alter GPS signal, receiving by the drone and made it "believe" that it is landing on its home base in Afghanistan. Of course we cannot know for sure what happened, but this at least can explain why plane was captured almost undamaged.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

How do you "capture" a drone exactly? Catch it with a giant net?

By making a horde of female drone dummies, and placing them somewhere in visible area.

 

[Glassfan]

Iran #1?

Was it even legal for us to be all spying on Iran n' stuff? If they were doing it to us wouldn't we use it as an excuse to bomb them or something?

Anyway, good for Iran!

Spying is usually considered unequivocally illegal, and spys are incarcerated during peace and shot during war.

Surveillance on the other hand, although usually confused by civilians as a synonym for spying, is a different thing. What we usually call spy planes (U-2) or spy ships (the USS Pueblo) or spy satellites are actually surveillance platforms. One difference is that a spy is disguised - out of uniform - pretending to be someone else, a journalist perhaps. Whereas a surveillance platform is not secret, and usually well known by country of origin. Our Intelligence satellites fly over other countries - and theirs (Chinese, Russian, etc.) fly over us. It's actually good to know what each other has. No mistakes then.

And that's the real difference here. In the West, nuclear facilities are open to international inspection. In the bandit countries - Iran, North Korea, etc. - it's all secretive, hidden, paranoid and underground.

When I was a boy, Russian Tupalovs flew down the east coast of Canada and the United States, taking pictures and listening in on our telecommunications - unmolested by the USAF. And (KGB) Russian "fishing" trawlers sailed just outside what was then the Three Mile Limit. In fact, when they used to show the Gemini and Apollo launches from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, several Russian trawlers were always there monitoring telemetry.

If the Iranians spy on us, their spys might be arrested. But if they surveille us - say with a satellite, they are free to do so.

 

[aelf]

And that's the real difference here. In the West, nuclear facilities are open to international inspection. In the bandit countries - Iran, North Korea, etc. - it's all secretive, hidden, paranoid and underground.

Um, they are "secretive, hidden, paranoid and underground" because these countries face censure and punishment for having them. If you don't threaten them for having nuclear programmes (while having nuclear weapons or umbrellas of your own), then you can bet that they wouldn't be like that.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I fail to see why Iran having nukes would be so OMGunacceptable. And I don't, as a rule, approve of anti-Americanist moonbattery or Ahmadinejad worship.

 

[bhsup]

Um, they are "secretive, hidden, paranoid and underground" because these countries face censure and punishment for having them. If you don't threaten them for having nuclear programmes (while having nuclear weapons or umbrellas of your own), then you can bet that they wouldn't be like that.

I fail to see why Iran having nukes would be so OMGunacceptable. And I don't, as a rule, approve of anti-Americanist moonbattery or Ahmadinejad worship.

Funny how "international law" drips from everyone's mouths when they want to blame the US for something, but when it is Iran it's all honky dory.

They are signatories of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, ya know.

 

[aelf]

They are signatories of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, ya know.

Which they are free to withdraw from any time (some countries in the Western orbit were and are not signatories). Of course, these countries withdrawing would mean political repercussions for them, so you may refer again to what I said in the previous post.

 

[dirtyparrot]

They are signatories of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, ya know.

So are you saying that it's grounds to attack or threaten a nation because it no longer follows the treaty?

 

[strijder20]

So, the Americans are whining because Iran took one of their spy planes?
Next step : Murderer of JFK sues JFK for having stolen his bullet.

 

[wolfigor]

I'm not blaming the Israelis, but they are highly likely to get involved in a war somehow, and thus might not be the people who we want to have nuclear weapons.

War most likely initiated by others.
Lets don't forget who is financing, arming, and supporting Hezbollah leading to the destabilization of Lebanon and to war against Israel.
Iran has demonstrated to be very good at proxy wars and not a country to trust for peace.

 

[Lone Wolf]

a country to trust for peace.

I don't like the Iranian government, yet I don't think that it's going to drop nuuuukes on Israel or USA any time soon. You can be bellicose without using your nukes - see the United $tate$ p) for the illustration.

 

[Crezth]

So are you saying that it's grounds to attack or threaten a nation because it no longer follows the treaty?

Yes. Breaking treaties has been rather frowned upon for most of history.

 

[aelf]

Iran has demonstrated to be very good at proxy wars and not a country to trust for peace.

The USA is not a country to trust for peace, and yet not very many people have problems with it having nuclear weapons, loads of them at that.

Yes. Breaking treaties has been rather frowned upon for most of history.

Signatories are free to withdraw from the NPT (like I said, certain countries in the Western orbit didn't even sign up for it and that hasn't seemed to be much of a problem). The problem is for certain countries, withdrawing would be treated more seriously than for others, and so these countries can only play a double game.

 

[red_elk]

If the Iranians spy on us, their spys might be arrested. But if they surveille us - say with a satellite, they are free to do so.

Sure, if their military plane with hell-knows-what on board enter your airspace without permission, you will not shoot it down.

 

[BasketCase]

Iran is bluffing.

They didn't capture the drone; it malfunctioned. We can be sure of this, because we definitely had more than one RQ drone in Iranian airspace at the time (and we probably still have them in there right now, despite claims to the contrary), and only one went down. If the Iranians had the capability, they would have brought down ALL the drones, not just the one.

does that means, China, Russia and all other countries can send their spy planes to USA ? since USA has so many secrets too.

Generally, no. But it depends who. If the British sent a spy drone into American airspace, I wouldn't care. Russia and China? Shoot the drone down and then send a few Tomahawk missiles their way.

The United States does have the right to violate Iranian airspace; Iran does not have the right to violate United States airspace. As long as it continues to violate the rights of its own citizens wholesale, the Iranian government has no rights at all.