Zards Dictatorship

[Timsup2nothin]

That only works with a whole host of other changes to e.g. family trust structures. A lot of very rich people manage to have minimal personal wealth.

No question. I never said it was easy to execute. Account balances, stocks, real property...how do all these get assessed to determine "net worth"? And what about that mattress full of cash that no one knows about? Is a priceless painting on the wall a stagnating investment of wealth, or just decoration? Thirty five luxury automobiles? An accumulation of wealth, or just a passion for cars? The mass produced wealth hiding structures that lawyers provide are relatively easy, just do away with them. But that doesn't make it just a simple process overall.

 

[Zardnaar]

That only works with a whole host of other changes to e.g. family trust structures. A lot of very rich people manage to have minimal personal wealth.

Or they put it off shore. Property tax works.

 

[Zardnaar]

No question. I never said it was easy to execute. Account balances, stocks, real property...how do all these get assessed to determine "net worth"? And what about that mattress full of cash that no one knows about? Is a priceless painting on the wall a stagnating investment of wealth, or just decoration? Thirty five luxury automobiles? An accumulation of wealth, or just a passion for cars? The mass produced wealth hiding structures that lawyers provide are relatively easy, just do away with them. But that doesn't make it just a simple process overall.

Tax luxury cars, house, boats both on purchase and owning one.

Apparently we have have foreign owners sitting on empty houses (we have a housing crisis). Capital gains tax plus a % tax on the property introduced in a year or two and see how many cone in the market.

 

[Berzerker]

First I would install my goons ministers.

Perfection would be in charge of the Flag. Industrial policy would go to birdjaguar. Minister of propaganda education would be Erika. Director of Science would go to Berzerker. Truthy gets to run the Military and Tim is tasked with writing my national anthem.

I'm honored, long live the United Atheist Alliance...science be with you

 

[Hygro]

On it. You want your subjects comfortable, or should they stand through something like a track that takes an entire side of an album?

Hmmm well if you can fill 16 minutes of lyrics we can consider it!

I'm honored, long live the United Atheist Alliance...science be with you

hah I’m not even an atheist

 

[Camikaze]

I guess in defence of retaining an income tax, though, it's a relatively ready means of approximating someone's economic standing. There is also difficulty with the concept of preventing working and middle class people from building wealth, or disincentivising them from doing so. If you inherent real property, you don't have to save for it and an associated wealth tax could be paid out of income quite readily. If you are not born into wealth, then you have to accumulate savings and make a capital investment in order to obtain real property. This means you wouldn't want a wealth tax cutting in too aggressively or at too low a level, so the retention of an income tax would still be necessary at that level, presumably.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Tax luxury cars, house, boats both on purchase and owning one.

Apparently we have have foreign owners sitting on empty houses (we have a housing crisis). Capital gains tax plus a % tax on the property introduced in a year or two and see how many cone in the market.

I have nothing against cool cars and boats and such. A lot of jobs in the making and maintaining of those kinds of things. The accumulated wealth that is killing us is the zillions of dollars that are "maintained" by applying a minimal current to a handful of tiny circuits buried in a server somewhere.

 

[Farm Boy]

Not enough in the way of luxuries, but I'm not actually talking a luxury tax. If those with high incomes and accumulated wealth were spending on extravagant stuff...GREAT. Producing extravagant stuff keeps a whole lot of people employed. Hoarders are the issue.

No question. I never said it was easy to execute. Account balances, stocks, real property...how do all these get assessed to determine "net worth"? And what about that mattress full of cash that no one knows about? Is a priceless painting on the wall a stagnating investment of wealth, or just decoration? Thirty five luxury automobiles? An accumulation of wealth, or just a passion for cars? The mass produced wealth hiding structures that lawyers provide are relatively easy, just do away with them. But that doesn't make it just a simple process overall.

You need to determine the earning potential of the capital. Capital out earning humanity in geometric perpetuity is the problem needs taxed. A flat implementation would be not great.

 

[AdamCrock]

I'll make you the minister of booze. Put a can of Zatecky Gus on our $20 note.

The Minister of Booze !!!! I like it , being a sycophant You see I like it First order of buisness , there's no booze !!! Anyone that does POI is gonna have to go through me hahaha ..... awwright, that is never gonna happen :d Thank You for good wishes and and a bloody good thinking on Your part !!! haha !

btw. You should totally try the WARKA brand :

Spoiler :

 

[Berzerker]

hah I’m not even an atheist

Oh my science... pardon my ingratitude, but you cant be dictator then

 

[AdamCrock]

And what about that mattress

I say !!!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh my science... pardon my ingratitude, but you cant be dictator then

Last I checked minister of propaganda serves at the pleasure of the dictator, not the other way around.

 

[Berzerker]

Erika has that job

 

[Hygro]

Oh my science... pardon my ingratitude, but you cant be dictator then

No worries, I am the democratically elected Executive Stewart of Absolute Power and Control Forever and Ever With Complete Authority.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hmmm well if you can fill 16 minutes of lyrics we can consider it!

I have to point out two things here.

1) If you leave out repetitions of the title In-a-godda-da-vida is like thirty seven seconds of lyrics.

2) I was in fact considering having a similar drum solo in the middle of the anthem so people could bounce along and keep their legs fresh rather than just standing the whole time.

 

[AdamCrock]

Last I checked minister of propaganda serves at the pleasure of the dictator, not the other way around.

I am sorry who's the dictator ???

 

[Zardnaar]

The Minister of Booze !!!! I like it , being a sycophant You see I like it First order of buisness , there's no booze !!! Anyone that does POI is gonna have to go through me hahaha ..... awwright, that is never gonna happen :d Thank You for good wishes and and a bloody good thinking on Your part !!! haha !

btw. You should totally try the WARKA brand :

Spoiler :

Probably can't get it here. I'll go to a dedicated bottle store and see what international stuff they have.

Wouldn't mind some beer, got a bottle of wine in the fridge but not that interested in wine.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I am sorry who's the dictator ???

Well, it was in Hygroland that he was appointed, so...

 

[AdamCrock]

Oh **** I forgot ALL HAIL HYGRO !!

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, there is Plato's book on how a state should be run. Basically he says that - a similar quote is in Aristotle - those running the state should be doing it out of sense of duty, not ambition. Aristotle iirc says that those who want power the least, are fit to have it.