1.29 Semi-public beta

[Pinky]

Originally posted by Alexis Layton


I've had the exact same problem with Civ III 1.21g running on Mac OS X 1.2.5, so
it may not be new. I usually just force quit, load the auto-save, and continue from there.

Actually, now that I think about it, the crashes I had mentioned having once every 7 hours might have been freezes like I am having with 1.29f... I just never waited for it to end.

I started a game in 1.21g, and so far (1500 AC) so good. No bug.
I wouldn't even bother reloading with 1.29f, it just happens too often.

Anyhow...back to playing !

 

[dojoboy]

Hey, does having 1.29 (beta1) mean SAM Missle Batteries work now? I'm about to get into a war and realized SAMs could be a factor now.

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by AlanH


... whereas the civ3mod.bic file in my 1.21g copy is dated 29 April 2002 and is a couple of KBytes bigger.

The correct file for 1.29 has a size of 17368 bytes and a modification date of June 12, 2002.

I tried running 1.29b1 with the civ3mod.bic file from my 1.21g folder. This seems to make no difference in the warrior upgrade behavior. As I don't know what the function of this file is, I can't tell what actual difference it makes.

The bic file stores all the default rules and objects. Starting with either 1.21 or 1.29, each saved game stores this information, so once you start a game with 1.29 using a bic file, replacing that bic file won't affect a game already in progress, just newly-created games.

If other people using the 1.29 beta would check their civ3mod.bic file, I'd appreciate it. It may be that the beta installer isn't updating it properly.

 

[jpalacino]

Brad,

I just checked and I have the 29 April, 02 .bic file as well. It looks like you may have that problem with the installer.

JP

 

[snazzyjoe]

So no ideas on crashing in Mac OS 9? I've tried a few more games and they also randomly crash at particular points, and nothing I do seems to change it.

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver
If other people using the 1.29 beta would check their civ3mod.bic file, I'd appreciate it. It may be that the beta installer isn't updating it properly.

Here is mine.

 

[jpalacino]

Brad,
Just had another crash -- the console log is below. I don't want you to be inundated, but would it be easier for you for us to PM or e-mail you with the crash logs -- I tried via the messaging system on the boards, but it will not let me directly e-mail you.

CRASH LOG FOLLOWS
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Date/Time: 2003-04-23 23:02:39 -0400
OS Version: 10.2.5 (Build 6L29)
Host: rfarris.bwh.harvard.edu

Command: Civilization III
PID: 433

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000008

Thread 0:
#0 0x900740d8 in memmove
#1 0x9022f444 in UTF8ToCString
#2 0x9022da88 in _Z16UTF8ToClassicHFSPKcmmmPh
#3 0x9022d334 in _Z18PBGetCatInfoCommonP10CInfoPBRech
#4 0x9023b4fc in PBGetCatInfoSync
#5 0x001b2854 in findfirst
#6 0x001b2bc8 in FindFirstFileA
#7 0x00230f0c in filefind_get__FPc
#8 0x00258f9c in init__4WaveFPcUl
#9 0x00259788 in load__4WaveFPcUl
#10 0x003468cc in 0x3468cc
#11 0x002caf50 in civ3_init__13Civilization3Fv
#12 0x002cb128 in run__13Civilization3Fiib
#13 0x003885fc in WinMain
#14 0x001b5048 in main

Thread 1 Crashed:
#0 0x94db1ce0 in _ZN19XIOAudioDeviceState13SetFloatValueEmmbbf
#1 0x94da75ac in _ZN14XIOAudioDevice19ControlValueChangedEP15XIOAudioControl
#2 0x94dad6b8 in _ZN15XIOAudioControl12ValueChangedEv
#3 0x94dad920 in _ZN15XIOAudioControl16MachPortCallBackEP12__CFMachPortPvlS2_
#4 0x9015bd8c in __CFMachPortPerform
#5 0x9015bbf8 in __CFRunLoopDoSource1
#6 0x90148c9c in __CFRunLoopRun
#7 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#8 0x94d9c1c0 in _ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv
#9 0x94d911b0 in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#10 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x90042688 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8b4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x94d83ac4 in _ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy
#3 0x94d832b0 in _ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy
#4 0x94d822e0 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice8IOThreadEv
#5 0x94d95a24 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice13IOThreadEntryEPv
#6 0x94d911b0 in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#7 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x94db1ce0 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x20000000 lr: 0x94da75ac ctr: 0x9005e2d8 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x94da75ac r1: 0xf00805e0 r2: 0x44002280 r3: 0x00000000
r4: 0x766f6c6d r5: 0x00000001 r6: 0x00000000 r7: 0x00000000
r8: 0x00046010 r9: 0xa0135450 r10: 0x00046290 r11: 0xa00044b0
r12: 0x44002280 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000001 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x24002280 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00005c03 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x021905d8 r23: 0xf0080d04
r24: 0x00000024 r25: 0xf00808b0 r26: 0xa012bc90 r27: 0x00000000
r28: 0x00000001 r29: 0x00000001 r30: 0x00000000 r31: 0x94dad70c

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Date/Time: 2003-04-23 23:42:53 -0400
OS Version: 10.2.5 (Build 6L29)
Host: rfarris.bwh.harvard.edu

Command: Civilization III
PID: 438

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xa2998849

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x002f0040 in on_left_double_click__7ConsoleFii
#1 0x0026aaec in left_double_click_event__3WinFiii
#2 0x00270264 in on_l_button_down__3WinFiiii
#3 0x00263b40 in OnLButtonDown__17SysMessageHandlerFiii
#4 0x001d5180 in OnLButtonDown__14MessageHandlerFP6HWND__iiiUi
#5 0x001d49c0 in window_proc__14MessageHandlerFP6HWND__UiUil
#6 0x001a5fd8 in DispatchMessageA
#7 0x00215c8c in do_task__6JGLSysFv
#8 0x00215bd8 in wait_task__6JGLSysFv
#9 0x00264020 in wait_task__Fv
#10 0x002e3c58 in humanTurn__7ConsoleFv
#11 0x002f7c50 in control_game__Fb
#12 0x002cb148 in run__13Civilization3Fiib
#13 0x003885fc in WinMain
#14 0x001b5048 in main

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c48 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f90 in mach_msg
#2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun
#3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#4 0x94d9c1c0 in _ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv
#5 0x94d911b0 in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#6 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x9003eaa8 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8c4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x9023b550 in TimerThread
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 3:
#0 0x9003eaa8 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8c4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90247ecc in _Z15AsyncFileThreadPv
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 4:
#0 0x9003eaa8 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8c4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90233094 in DeferredTaskThread
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

Thread 5:
#0 0x90042688 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8b4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x94d83ac4 in _ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy
#3 0x94d832b0 in _ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy
#4 0x94d822e0 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice8IOThreadEv
#5 0x94d95a24 in _ZN15XThreadedDevice13IOThreadEntryEPv
#6 0x94d911b0 in _ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS_
#7 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x002f0040 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x002efeb4 ctr: 0x00258810 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x000018b4 r1: 0xbffff4d0 r2: 0x004ec000 r3: 0x00001898
r4: 0x00000001 r5: 0x00000001 r6: 0xa2998805 r7: 0xfab30147
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x00000001 r10: 0xbffff400 r11: 0xa0221734
r12: 0x004e9b4c r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00594ba0 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x0053516c
r20: 0x005930b8 r21: 0x0057a318 r22: 0x005930b8 r23: 0x005730b8
r24: 0x00000001 r25: 0x00000001 r26: 0x0052fa40 r27: 0x005730b8
r28: 0x071c6670 r29: 0x005ba9c8 r30: 0x005bad80 r31: 0x00554160

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by snazzyjoe
So no ideas on crashing in Mac OS 9? I've tried a few more games and they also randomly crash at particular points, and nothing I do seems to change it.

Someone sent me a report about a crash on OS9 in e-mail - was that you?

Anyway, if you're running on OS9, you need to make sure you've got plenty of memory for Civ3. This means having roughly 140 megs free when you launch the game. If you are seeing sporadic crashes under 9, double-check that, and if possible give Civ3 a little more memory, like 192 megs just to be safe. This isn't an issue under OSX.

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by jpalacino

I just checked and I have the 29 April, 02 .bic file as well. It looks like you may have that problem with the installer.

How annoying. I think it was a problem with the dates on the new files - they all had creation dates from 1904, so I think the installer thought they were older and didn't replace them.

I've put up a new installer here:

http://www.macmame.org/Civ3_129_b1_1.sit

Try this out and let me know if it gives you the proper civ3mod.bic files.

Regarding crash logs, I'd rather they were e-mailed to me. If you put Civ3 in the subject line, they'll make it past my spam filters with no problems.

If you do get a crash, please try and let me know as specifically as possible what you were doing at the time, or if you weren't doing anything, what the game was doing if it's apparent.

 

[lateralis]

soooo does anyone else's console quote HHGG at them? Or is marvin trapped in my computer, and my computer only?

lateralis

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver


How annoying. I think it was a problem with the dates on the new files - they all had creation dates from 1904, so I think the installer thought they were older and didn't replace them.

I've put up a new installer here:

http://www.macmame.org/Civ3_129_b1_1.sit

Try this out and let me know if it gives you the proper civ3mod.bic files.

Brad

That fixed it, thanks. New games now allow the upgrade. It installed a civ3mod.bic file dated 12 June 2002. I'm still not sure why I was getting the problem and others were not.

Regarding crash logs, I'd rather they were e-mailed to me. If you put Civ3 in the subject line, they'll make it past my spam filters with no problems.
If you do get a crash, please try and let me know as specifically as possible what you were doing at the time, or if you weren't doing anything, what the game was doing if it's apparent.

I have three recent crash logs that all point at the same failure point, but in different games. One of them was in 1.21g so it's not specific to the beta. I'll be happy to send you the logs, but your profile settings don't allow mail or pm. Am I missing something?

(edit) I've checked back over my crash logs, and I have a total of 13 crashes since the beginning of the year. They all look to me as though they happened during modal dialog or alert situations. The most recent were in diplomacy situations.

 

[thomasash]

Originally posted by Tex
Brad,
1.21g supported the following sizes that are not in 1.29f.

1280x854
1440x900

I think these may be powerbook only sizes (not sure). Playing the game at 1024x768 when I am used to 1280x854 is pretty frustrating and kinda fuzzy looking. Thanks again for all the work.

They're not just PowerBook sizes, they're the default sizes, not to mention the only sizes that look good (without stretching or not using the whole screen) on any Mac with a widescreen. (Like the new 17 inch iMac, of which I'm a proud owner since the last 10 days !) So it's quite an important resolution setting to have in Civ3... at least from my perspective! (And quite a few others beside me...)

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by AlanH

I'll be happy to send you the logs, but your profile settings don't allow mail or pm. Am I missing something?

You might want to take a moment to read the 1.29 readme file.

 

[dojoboy]

Thanks Brad, that fixed my mod.bic, its now updated.

 

[snazzyjoe]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver


Someone sent me a report about a crash on OS9 in e-mail - was that you?

Not I. But this crashing thing never happened before I loaded the 1.29 beta, even when I was playing max number of civs on a large map. So, as you might guess, I'm suspicious of the upgrade being the cause of these unexpected quits. If you know anything about this under OS 9, or if you know when the official release will be available for download, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by snazzyjoe


Not I. But this crashing thing never happened before I loaded the 1.29 beta, even when I was playing max number of civs on a large map.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. How much memory do you have free when you launch 1.29? Have you tried increasing the amount allocated to Civ3?

 

[jpalacino]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver


You might want to take a moment to read the 1.29 readme file.

Brad,
What self-respecting male ever reads the manual, directions, readme file, etc?
JP

 

[Ricardo]

I have a request... can you add in a screen resolution optimal for the new 17" powerbooks, their standard resolution is 1440X900 I think.

I am still busy finishing the GOTM so I havent really been able to try out 1.29 yet

 

[snazzyjoe]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver


That doesn't necessarily mean anything. How much memory do you have free when you launch 1.29? Have you tried increasing the amount allocated to Civ3?

I have both Minimum Size and Preferred Size set to 210,000k, which is much, much more than the suggested size of 128 megs. I boot with minimal extensions and I have about 215 free megs, so I figured 210 would be a suitable number for Civ3. But it still crashes.

On a side note, my Mac only has 128 megs of physical memory, and I doubled that number with virtual memory. VM wasn't a problem before the patch, but does something in the way 1.29 works have an issue with it?

Thanks.

By the way, what's the exact purpose of the "accelerated production" option?

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by snazzyjoe
...

By the way, what's the exact purpose of the "accelerated production" option?

Check out this thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43880&highlight=Accelerated+Production

AP simply increase the rates for production and technology. Personally, I've never tried it.