2. open game:easy immortal space-race (easy = great starting position)

[Giaur]

Spoiler :

This game likes me today ... I am close to close the first session, but Snaaty I have to say that you will be pleased. Liberalism in 520AD. So Snaaty your teachings are giving the results. Rostov taken by culture and rejoining to my empire. Now I have a dylema. What to research next

I am afraid only of Aztecs. Rostov can be captured in one turn. I have to upgrade some of my soldiers. Do I have to go for Military Tradition first? Or should I run for Economics?

edit: Maybe it's a surprize. I am having birthday next week

 

[lilnev]

Well, I lost already. A bit too greedy and a bit too complacent:

Spoiler :

I built the Great Wall quite early to run the GE-Pyramids gambit, which worked. With no fear of barbarians and the AIs seemingly distant and to the south, I delayed settling the Copper in favor of blocking off land to the south ... so the barbarians claimed the Copper. Teched to Alphabet and traded to find the Iron ... just barely inside Monty's borders instead of mine. OK, Horse City's borders finally popped ... just a few turns before Monty DoWed me. I could only scramble 2 or 3 chariots before he took Horse City.

I suppose I'm not technically dead. Normally I start a new game if I lose a city in the early going, but I could try to tech to Construction and fight him with catapults. Maybe I will, maybe I'll reboot, maybe I won't. It's about 600 BC.

sigh,
lilnev

 

[Snaaty]

I just finished my first session (up to 300something BC), will continue tomorrow

Spoiler :

So far, things went as planned... ...I moved my capital a little inland (didn´t take an ideal route, so I lost 4 turns I think... ...but settled with 2 gold in BFC... ...researched archery very early... used archers/warrior combo as fog buster... ...decided to grow capital to size 5, then started to settler-spam... in parallel reseached writing-math to take advantage of the many forrests (chop,chop)... ...claimed 2 more gold with 2nd and 4th city (one each), 3rd city was only for blocking... ...5 city went for the stons (pyramids in progress, think I can whipp/chopp them soon... ...6 city went for copper... ...I´m building some axmen right now to take a barb city (and to frighten off monty a little longer)... ...in capital I´m chopping/building the GL (at least I try and hope)... ...research is a little crappy right now (50%), because I built 6 cities (and zero cottages)... ...but CoL will be through soon

Edit:

@ Lilnev:

That´s bad luck (I think I gifted monty 2 techs and fullfilled one demand for resources already to keep him lucky). When you gift techs very early, the chaces are very high, that somone like monty goes for somebody else (he ALWAYS will go for somebody...)

@ Giaur:

sounds great

 

[mrchadt]

Well, I tried the original save that others said was no good, I played to 940AD and someone else had discovered liberalism. That was my first try on immortal. This is my second, have a look and see what you think, not bad for a noob imo. I haven't used spoiler tags before so I hope they work ok.

Spoiler :

edit: I got beaten up by barbarians in my first immortal try on previous game so I decided to build the great wall. I ended up building the great wall, stonehenge and the pyramids all in my capital. this churned out 4, I think, great engineers, I built the pyramids with the first. The great library, in my second city and the great lighthouse in my capital. And later iron works. I cannot remember the date I got liberalism, but it was arouund 800AD, maybe.
My empire was too small for a while but science is good. Not much of an army, I can't think why monty never attacked me, he is everyones friend in my game lol. But I attacked him later after bribing Ghengis to attack him (or the other way round), was expensive though, nationalism+something else good.
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Here are my saves.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110529/Snaaty_AD-0001.CivWarlordsSave

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110529/Snaaty_AD-1000.CivWarlordsSave

Edit: I have written some infomation in the spoiler tag now.

 

[mrchadt]

Hi mutineer, or anyone else who knows, how do you show your screen shots full size? I did an attachment and it came as a thumbnail.

Edit: I want to copy the way mutineer has done his post, see previous page. His pictures were very clear too.

 

[Giaur]

Hi mutineer, or anyone else who knows, how do you show your screen shots full size? I did an attachment and it came as a thumbnail.

Perhaps it can't be hidden inside the spoiler ... or maybe write some empty lines, or at least a comment to the picture.

 

[Giaur]

Mutineer: interesting opening for a SpaceRace

 

[Giaur]

mrchdt: Am I reading right? You rushed Ironworks? What year are you playing now?

 

[Giaur]

Spoiler :

Built Colossus, Angkor Wat and Un.of Sankore. Built small army, which will become more powerful in few turns. However G.Khan grabbed Military Tradition too. I am heading for Monti first, I think. Then Peter. G.Khan will be destroyed with rifles. My mistake, I have not effort for Great Merchant in the right time. But nothing is lost yet.

 

[mrchadt]

Yes you are reading right, I was at war at the time and needed production. As I said second try at immortal if this seems like a terrible move. I'm in 1500 something.

 

[Giaur]

Spoiler :

running for buddism, so started producing settler first ...

hinduism spreadto Bombay very quickly ...

Madras was found far from the capital ...

Stonehenge compieted. Rostov in trouble ...

look on the capital ...

fighting for the tiles ...

The fight is won. Newborn scientist will lightbulb Education.

our forces came too late ...

global look on my kingdom ...

economics advanced. GM is on his way ...

Peter became friendly after loosing Rostov. This deal has to tell Peter that Merchiantilism is a bad civic. Fortunately he hasn't adopted it yet.

 

[Giaur]

Yes you are reading right, I was at war at the time and needed production. As I said second try at immortal if this seems like a terrible move. I'm in 1500 something.

If you survived till now, you have chances to complete Apollo Program

 

[Winston Hughes]

I found the previous thread most educational, and, since I've got a couple of days off (at last ), I figured I'd give this one a go.

I've never tried immortal before, and I struggle to win emperor unless I get a strong start and good neighbours (and I'm hopeless at the space race), so this was always going to be a steep learning curve. As it turned out, I ended up having to cheat both to stay in the game, and to avoid losing my mind entirely...

Spoiler :

I headed inland to start, following some advice I read in one of Snaaty's earlier threads, hoping to make some space for later cities. Finding gold and floodplains was a huge relief; having abandoned an awesome starting spot for the first time in my cIV career, I half expected to find nothing but featureless deserts.

My second city took the original spot, and I chopped the Great Wall there for its first build, the plan being to grab the Pyramids with the resulting GE. However, thanks to a couple of horribly moves (especially researching Writing before MC), the Pyramids were built on the same turn as I got the GE .

I played on for a few turns, but it was clear that without Representation I was going to be Monty-food before I even reached the mid-game; I hadn't built a single cottage, and with only three cities (and no way to get any more without going to war), my economy was laughable, as was my military.

So, and because I'd only just missed out, I went back to my oldest autosave (about fifteen turns earlier), to see if I could get my forge built one turn quicker. I tried everything. I must have restarted from that same save twenty times or more, micromanaging every detail with the aid of a calculator, but there was simply no way to speed up MC and the forge.

In the end, I went into the worldbuilder and gave myself enough gold (150 iirc) to run the slider up a notch or two and nail MC in time. My economy is now ticking over nicely, and I've managed to trade myself into a position where I can at least put up a fight. I still haven't a hope of winning the game, but hopefully I can survive to see how things play out.

Or, on the other hand, maybe I'll just cheat a little more...

 

[lilnev]

At Winston Hughes:
When I try the GW-GE-Pyramids gambit, I take a chance on running a scientist for a few turns. Because of the way great people probabilities are generated, 1 gpp from the GW counts as much as 3 from a specialist when it comes time to determine which GP you get. So 29 turns of the Great Wall (58 gpps) + 7 turns of a scientist (42 gpps) still gives 29/36 chance ~80% of a GE. Sure, once in a while you're "cursed" with a GS, but you can direct your research elsewhere (Alphabet-Lit for example) instead of slogging through MC.

peace,
lilnev

 

[Mutineer]

Hi mutineer, or anyone else who knows, how do you show your screen shots full size? I did an attachment and it came as a thumbnail.

Edit: I want to copy the way mutineer has done his post, see previous page. His pictures were very clear too.

Insted of using attachments, upload you file using upward red button, most right one.
Then use [I M G] tag (remove spaces) or easier use insert immage button, one with mountan picture.

 

[Mutineer]

Mutineer: interesting opening for a SpaceRace

I do not know. if you like to build ship with Mounty running around....

Spoiler :

I prefur to have my neaybors pacifyed. Thougth there still mongols and I am a bit spread around. On other hand I never play for space race, but I think one can never go wrong with more space relativelly early.

 

[Winston Hughes]

lilnev: Thanks, that's a very good point (although with my luck I'd probably have landed a GS and missed out on the Pyramids anyway).

 

[Galileo44]

I am doing well ca 600AD, will give an update later.

PS. Am I the only one who didn't do SE with the Pyramids? I just ignored them and did a cottage spam.

 

[Mutineer]

well, I did not build single cottage untill 1000 AD and did not build piramids, does it count?

 

[jamuraa]

Well, I went ahead and gave it a try. Behold my horribleness at Immortal difficulty (I'm at prince/monarch in "normal" games). It's also one of my first warlord games (just got it the other day) so double-whammy on that one.

1AD:

Spoiler :

I had some issues with barbarians and ooh shiny so I built the Great Wall with some chops from the capitol. Moved one E for settling so I could improve the stone. I only got 3 cities out before monty took a barb city and settled on my borders. Popped a GE for Metal Casting. Mostly went CE with just cottage spam where I could work the tiles. Missed 1AD by a turn for the save. Second city was placed for CE craziness, 4 FP + 2 gold in BFC. Madras placed to grab copper.

To 1000AD:

Spoiler :

Declared on Monty in 50AD when I had 7 or so axes, a couple turns earlier than expected because there was a poachable settler on the border. Took Assyrian easily but had issues with Texcoco (I suspect it would have been easier with horses). Monty got Feudalism and was fielding horse archers against my axes so I gave up CoL for peace in 475AD. From then on it has been grow to happy and research. Switched to Buddhism in order to counteract the war negatives with monty and because I had good enough relations with Peter, who is Hindu. The happiness bonuses aren't bad either.
I'm a few turns away from CS right now, Liberalism was discovered distantly at 1000AD exactly.

Research path:
Fishing, Masonry, BW, Agr, Wheel, Animal Husbandry, Sailing, Pottery, Writing, Hunting (to hook furs), Alphabet
I could have done much better on this, my worker was sitting around for many turns waiting and wheel came WAY too late.

I don't think I have much of a chance of actually getting to the space race. I'm sure that someone will get mad enough at me to attack (possibly Monty, he's running away with the game ATM) and I'll be done for. I'm so far behind in power it's laughable.

Still tons of fun though.

Savegames:
25AD: http://jamuraa.com/civ4/Snaaty-SpRaceImmortal%20AD-0025.CivWarlordsSave
1000AD: http://jamuraa.com/civ4/Snaaty AD-1000.CivWarlordsSave