2006 CFC 7-Round NFL Mock Draft (Starts 2/4)

[tcjsavannah]

Nice pick on Degory. I was hoping he'd last until the Jags spot, because he didn't have the hype this year as last. He should be a solid NFL starter for years.

As to the two CBs in consecutive rounds, did you watch the "nickel" back for the Jags this season? *shudder*

 

[RedFusion]

Nice pick on Degory. I was hoping he'd last until the Jags spot, because he didn't have the hype this year as last. He should be a solid NFL starter for years.

As to the two CBs in consecutive rounds, did you watch the "nickel" back for the Jags this season? *shudder*

Degory is easily the third best center in this draft, and I'm sure some teams will have him ranked second.

It's less that I question taking them in two consecutive rounds, it's taking them in in the first and second rounds. When a team drafts a player in the second round, he's expected to start for that team, not be a nickel back. That's something that could easily be addressed in the 4th round, or if need be the third if you take into account development time. Also, where is the current starter at the second CB spot going to go? I would imagine that he would slid into the nickel spot solving that problem right?
That also brings to mind last year's draft, didn't they take a corner in the third? Scott Starks I believe. Was he the nickel? I didn't get to watch to many Jags games this past year.

 

[tcjsavannah]

Degory is easily the third best center in this draft, and I'm sure some teams will have him ranked second.

It's less that I question taking them in two consecutive rounds, it's taking them in in the first and second rounds. When a team drafts a player in the second round, he's expected to start for that team, not be a nickel back. That's something that could easily be addressed in the 4th round, or if need be the third if you take into account development time. Also, where is the current starter at the second CB spot going to go? I would imagine that he would slid into the nickel spot solving that problem right?
That also brings to mind last year's draft, didn't they take a corner in the third? Scott Starks I believe. Was he the nickel? I didn't get to watch to many Jags games this past year.

Kenny Wright was last year's starter, a bargain-basement FA pickup (same with the nickel, Terry Cousin).. neither have huge contracts and could easily be beaten out.

Starks started out slowly and never seemed to get on the field in anything other than special team situations. Everyone said his size would be a deficiency and it showed. I doubt he'll be on the team in two years.

The Jags aren't far away personnel-wise (given what your opinion is on Leftwich - i think he can still be a championship QB) so I didn't see a problem with going back-to-back solid secondary guys.

 

[RedFusion]

Kenny Wright was last year's starter, a bargain-basement FA pickup (same with the nickel, Terry Cousin).. neither have huge contracts and could easily be beaten out.

Starks started out slowly and never seemed to get on the field in anything other than special team situations. Everyone said his size would be a deficiency and it showed. I doubt he'll be on the team in two years.

The Jags aren't far away personnel-wise (given what your opinion is on Leftwich - i think he can still be a championship QB) so I didn't see a problem with going back-to-back solid secondary guys.

Alright, I did some looking up on the jags and their secondary personnel and I'm still not convinced that taking CB 1-2 was the best move. Last year the jags gave up the 7th fewest passing yards per game, they were also very high last year in interceptions. That brings us to Terry Cousin, the bargain basement nickel, he had 4 Ints last year which was second on the team behind Mathis. That to me, doesn't scream "this is a huge problem that need to be addressed in the second round!" I can think of a lot of teams that would love to get 4 Ints out of their nickel guy.

As for Starks, you said yourself that he barely got to see any playing time this season besides special teams. That happens often with later round picks, they are still developing and learning the system. I think it's jumping the gun to write him off after only one season. He should at least have the potential to develop into a decent nickel.

The Jags also need to find a replacement for Kyle Brady (who's receiving production has dropped off considerably in recent years). With the depth at TE, this would be the perfect draft to find that replacement. I just think it would be a better strategy of addressing the CB and TE spots in the first two rounds, then look at possibly finding a nickel if you are so unhappy with the three alternatives there.

 

[tcjsavannah]

The Jags also need to find a replacement for Kyle Brady (who's receiving production has dropped off considerably in recent years). With the depth at TE, this would be the perfect draft to find that replacement. I just think it would be a better strategy of addressing the CB and TE spots in the first two rounds, then look at possibly finding a nickel if you are so unhappy with the three alternatives there.

I'm planning on addressing the TE situation, but this is more of a personal issue with me.. the Jaguars, in 11 years of play, have yet to utilise a tight end effectively in their offense. For that reason, it's useless for them to draft one anywhere on the first day of the draft. Brady's production was never that good to begin with and was taken up by the TE currently playing WR (Matt Jones).

I'll posit this to you.. would it have been better, in your mind, had I taken Whitworth in 2 and Minter in 3? This is much like the situation last year when the Jaguars drafted Jones in round 1 and Barnes in round 2.. if you had reversed the picks, people probably wouldn't have questioned it because Barnes had first-round talent and people don't mind gambles so much in round 2. So who cares when you get them?

 

[RedFusion]

I'm planning on addressing the TE situation, but this is more of a personal issue with me.. the Jaguars, in 11 years of play, have yet to utilise a tight end effectively in their offense. For that reason, it's useless for them to draft one anywhere on the first day of the draft. Brady's production was never that good to begin with and was taken up by the TE currently playing WR (Matt Jones).

I'll posit this to you.. would it have been better, in your mind, had I taken Whitworth in 2 and Minter in 3? This is much like the situation last year when the Jaguars drafted Jones in round 1 and Barnes in round 2.. if you had reversed the picks, people probably wouldn't have questioned it because Barnes had first-round talent and people don't mind gambles so much in round 2. So who cares when you get them?

I thought Brady had over 700 yards one year with the jags, that seems like great utilization to me? Back in his prime, the Jags seemed to utilize Brady just fine. It's just that with age, he's declined and he hasn't been nearly productive, hence the drop off in the jags utilizing the TE. Edit: I forgot to mention that his production has been down for a couple seasons, so it wasn't the addition of Jones that caused his decrease in production.

I'll get to the second paragraph after I take my virology test in just a little bit.

 

[RedFusion]

I'll posit this to you.. would it have been better, in your mind, had I taken Whitworth in 2 and Minter in 3? This is much like the situation last year when the Jaguars drafted Jones in round 1 and Barnes in round 2.. if you had reversed the picks, people probably wouldn't have questioned it because Barnes had first-round talent and people don't mind gambles so much in round 2. So who cares when you get them?

Let me ask you which scenario you think improves the team more:

Scenario 1:
Round 1 - Zemaitis
2 - Minter
3 - Whitworth
4 or later - TE, no better than Brady's current backups

Or

Scenario 2:
1 - Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
2 - Minter
3 - Whitworth
4 or later - DB to compete for the nickel job

To me, the answer is obvious. In #2 Pope can come in and immediately start. It could be easily expected of Minter to do the same. Also, Scott can move to the nickel and compete with Cousin and Starks. He might even thrive there since he won't have to be on the field as much, nor have to face as good of receivers.
In #1, Zemaitis will come in and solidify the second CB spot, Minter the nickel spot and Brady remains the unproductive TE. You then have to cut Scott, Cousin or Starks. With it most likely being either Scott or Cousin since Starks is on a rookie deal.

 

[tcjsavannah]

In an abstract world, yes. I just don't think Pope would get used to his abilities in Jacksonville.. he'd be wasted first-round $$. Besides, after Reggie Williams and Matt Jones in the last two years in the first round, plus the R. Jay Soward disaster, there's NO way the Jaguars can handle the PR of taking YET ANOTHER passcatcher in the first round.

(And there's no better TE factory than Georgia, too, so don't think I don't recognize the talent.)

I also have no qualms giving Terry Cousin or Kenny Wright walking papers. They served their usefulness - they got the Jaguars through this past season. Anyone thinking they are any kind of longterm solution at any secondary position is deluded.

 

[RedFusion]

In an abstract world, yes. I just don't think Pope would get used to his abilities in Jacksonville.. he'd be wasted first-round $$. Besides, after Reggie Williams and Matt Jones in the last two years in the first round, plus the R. Jay Soward disaster, there's NO way the Jaguars can handle the PR of taking YET ANOTHER passcatcher in the first round.

(And there's no better TE factory than Georgia, too, so don't think I don't recognize the talent.)

I also have no qualms giving Terry Cousin or Kenny Wright walking papers. They served their usefulness - they got the Jaguars through this past season. Anyone thinking they are any kind of longterm solution at any secondary position is deluded.

If you are so worried about a PR disaster, then switch the 1st to Zemaitis and take Byrd or Fasano in the 2nd, problem solved. And another way to qwell the talking heads is to give it to them straight, that Brady is going to retire (he has at most 1 year left) and you need a replacement. If they don't like it, too bad!

The question needs to be asked, what team ever does have a 'long-term solution' at the nickel spot?? Even if you draft the 2 CBs what happens when their rookie contracts are up? I doubt you'll be able to keep all three, then you are back where you started, bringing in people like Cousin or Wright. Minter is now out starting for some other team and the media is in an uproar over how the team wasted a 2nd round pick on a player who is now going to spend his most productive seasons on another team. Bottom line is, you don't need to waste a second round pick on a nickel. If you are irreconcilably unhappy with your current options there, then maybe look back to the free agent market for a more suitable replacement. You'll eventually find a guy who works out well.

 

[Azale]

lol, a PR disaster in Jacksonville...seriously, how bad could THAT be.

 

[RedFusion]

Alright, before we continue, I want to get some feedback from everyone here. It seems that most everyone picking really doesn't know any of the players left available. So, Do you guys want to still continue this mock run or start another 7-rounder in a couple weeks--after the combine and free agency begins. That way most of us become a little bit more familiar with all the players available and the rounds they are projected to go in.

Thoughts?

 

[Whomp]

I would wait Redfusion. I think this was a success and a 2nd one will be more refined.

Since I was the culprit could we have two pages set up with players picked by round and another by position (or color). Maybe it's because I'm old but I had a hard time seeing who was picked when I scanned the rounds.

 

[RedFusion]

We'll definitely do another one in a couple weeks. I'll go ahead and try to tinker with a color code system for positions for this draft. But adding a post with all the players taken by postion might be something too add next time.

 

[RedFusion]

With the 118th pick, the Denver Broncos Select:

Mike Hass - WR - Oregon

Once Rod Smith retires, they'll need a reliable number 2 guy to go along with Lelie.

 

[RedFusion]

With the 119th pick the Bears select:

Jason Avant - WR - tSUN

 

[RedFusion]

With the 120th pick the Panthers select:

Tim Day - Tight End - University of Oregon

 

[LLXerxes]

With the 119th pick the Bears select:

Jason Avant - WR - scUM

Listen stop being a @#$%! and get some respect. I don't diss your school in this thread, you should have atleast a slither of respect for us.

 

[tcjsavannah]

The worst part is, I keep thinking he refers to Miami with that nickname.

 

[RedFusion]

With the 121st pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select:

Victor Adeyanju - DE - Indiana

With the 122nd pick, the Cincinnati Bengals select:

Ryan Cook - C - UNM

With the 123rd pick the New York Giants select:

Maurice Drew - RB - UCLA

 

[tcjsavannah]

The Jaguars take:

Gerris Wilkinson (LB, Georgia Tech)