2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Patine]

Irony 11 out of 10, would chuckle at this again.

Sincerely,
Ziggy Toxic Dualist-thinker Who Cannot Grasp How The World Works Outside Of My Deluded "Lord of the Things," Construct And Demand Everyone Conforms To My Warped And Tunnel Vision Viewpoint Stardust

What irony? And why do you think it's a big joke? Toxic Dualist thinking destroys everything worthwhile, poisons the socio-political well, creates mentalities like @Drakle's and others' here, and false accusations and vicious lies toward those who won't accept the whip of Zoroaster and Mani and their cancerous legacy today, and that's all perfectly acceptable, commendable, and even expected to so many, but I call out the warped point of view it is, and refuse to conform or place my endorsement upon one or the other of TWO intolerable and unacceptable evils, and I'm the one in the wrong, and it's and IRONY, and apparently a joke. Do you, or anyone else who argues with these matter with me, THINK about these things? As I'm just seeing defaulting to the scripts that demand this destructive behaviour. There is no irony here, and your gallows humour chuckle shows your values.

 

[Drakle]

What irony? And why do you think it's a big joke? Toxic Dualist thinking destroys everything worthwhile, poisons the socio-political well, creates mentalities like @Drakle's and others' here, and false accusations and vicious lies toward those who won't accept the whip of Zoroaster and Mani and their cancerous legacy today, and that's all perfectly acceptable, commendable, and even expected to so many, but I call out the warped point of view it is, and refuse to conform or place my endorsement upon one or the other of TWO intolerable and unacceptable evils, and I'm the one in the wrong, and it's and IRONY, and apparently a joke. Do you, or anyone else who argues with these matter with me, THINK about these things? As I'm just seeing defaulting to the scripts that demand this destructive behaviour. There is no irony here, and your gallows humour chuckle shows your values.

 

[Patine]

You want ME to stop? But you blatantly stated refusal to stop your false accusations and lies levied against me. My anger is justified. Your attitude is part of the real problem. Unfortunately, I don't think there's help for believing for in, and promoting the lies you and others aggressively and intolerantly push - I'm sure both Duopoly parties have shut down, self-servingly, anyone who'd offer help there. But you started this, by levying baseless, false accusations at me to discredit me out of nowhere. You probably have no idea AT ALL what my personal values and beliefs, outside of a disdain for the American Duopoly as a whole, even are. You certainly don't know enough to make such repugnant snap judgements. Now, back down! How deeply WRONG do you have to prove yourself as being here?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What irony? And why do you think it's a big joke? Toxic Dualist thinking destroys everything worthwhile, poisons the socio-political well, creates mentalities like @Drakle's and others' here, and false accusations and vicious lies toward those who won't accept the whip of Zoroaster and Mani and their cancerous legacy today, and that's all perfectly acceptable, commendable, and even expected to so many, but I call out the warped point of view it is, and refuse to conform or place my endorsement upon one or the other of TWO intolerable and unacceptable evils, and I'm the one in the wrong, and it's and IRONY, and apparently a joke. Do you, or anyone else who argues with these matter with me, THINK about these things? As I'm just seeing defaulting to the scripts that demand this destructive behaviour. There is no irony here, and your gallows humour chuckle shows your values.

Alright, I have 2 questions for you. You said: "Well, I have no further time for toxic Dualist-thinkers who cannot grasp how the world works outside of their deluded "Lord of the Rings," construct and demand everyone conforms to their warped and tunnel vision viewpoint or gets barraged with lies and false accusations."

Question one: do you think that quote is toxic?
Question two: do you think that quote creates a duality? Those who are "toxic Dualist-thinkers who cannot grasp how the world works outside etc, etc, etc" vs enlightened people like you?

Lastly, are you aware you're getting all worked up over a random internet person who just thought your post was ironic? You could have asked, "Ziggy, why do you think my post was ironic?" Without the whips of Zoroaster and Mani and their cancerous legacy, without the false accusations and viscious lies, the all caps. That would have been les toxic, and less dualistic.

I'm a nice guy, Really I am. Got some good values. I suspect you are too. That is more important than some ideas about politics. It's the same with the fake Democrats vs Republicans narrative, there is such a divide, but at the end of the day, if you're a Republican, and you're going to the butcher to get some meat, it's more important to you he's nice to you and you get good meat, than what he's voting.

So chill why don't you?

You probably have no idea AT ALL what my personal values and beliefs [..] even are.

There you go again, just after you posted: "and your gallows humour chuckle shows your values.". There's a word for that.

You have no idea what my personal values and believes are either. But just chuckling tells you everything you need to know about me.

 

[Ironsided]

You are not wrong to both sides the issues Patine. But you are in a fight you will never win because your adversaries are not fighting for issues, they are fighting and dogpiling you because 1. you make them feel uncomfortable by bringing up both sides when they do everything they can to swallow the bitter pill that is the “lesser”, corrupt, Iraq warmongering, cage building, refugee child deporting, black incarcerating, NSA spy net building, Wall St bailouting, pathologically lying, plagiarising and finger raping evil. And I kind of agree currently, less than a week from election, that is probably strategically sound and being the best option. 2. Because you respond to the wrong people, let them go. Our Aussie Don Quixote here and to a certain degree brave Sir Ziggy are out looking for convenient windmills to slay to gather renown and likes in their head. Find open doors to bravely slam in, people at the bottom of a dogpile to pile on some more. In fact, and practice, become the very populists here on CFC they rail against in politics. Though Ziggy seems to have come to his senses.

 

[Estebonrober]

You do realize that, across the American political landscape of the past several decades, the Democratic Party of the United States has wielded just as much power and done as much damage, and been behind as much evil and crime by the state as the Republican Party of the United States, and that the remaining, hardcore, true militant White Supremacists, and any ideological Fascists or Nazis, in the U.S. have been reduced to fringe groups and are thus on par with Antifa nowadays, and both resort to thuggery to get their way. Just because you, and some others, have a warped, distorted, lopsided, binary, black-and-white, epic-battle-of-good-vs.-evil view of things where arbitrary mislabelling of people and denial of the crimes and excesses of those you support are everyday rhetoric, does not change REALITY, and does not change the way I think.

yea you are lost and left behind. a white supremacist runs the US government overall, a white supremacist runs the DoJ, a white supremacist is lead advisor in the white house. you are the one who is having problems keeping up with reality. I'm done though, if you honestly believe the above after the last four years there is no saving you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Our Aussie Don Quixote here and to a certain degree brave Sir Ziggy are out looking for convenient windmills to slay to gather renown and likes in their head. Find open doors to bravely slam in, people at the bottom of a dogpile to pile on some more. In fact, and practice, become the very populists here on CFC they rail against in politics.

yeah, I posted I found a post ironic, this is akin to: looking for convenient windmills to slay to gather renown and likes in their head. Find open doors to bravely slam in, people at the bottom of a dogpile to pile on some more. In fact, and practice, become the very populists here on CFC they rail against in politics. I hope you guys are psychiatrists. You would be very efficient ones. Just a 5 minute session, and you know all you need to know.

Though Ziggy seems to have come to his senses.

I take it back, you'd be a terrible psychiatrist. I haven't seen my senses in years.

 

[Drakle]

You know I personally love being accused of being a Iranian religious figure perpetuating a evil duopoly, as I sit here in Australia, a Atheist who voted for the Aussie Greens, a third party.

We all know what Patine's actual views are. Trump supporter. He throws insane fits at the slightest mention of fascism, always plays defence squad for Trump, and repeats right wing talking points perfectly. And of course gets insanely mad when accurately accused of being a Trump supporter. I don't get mad when he accuses me of being a Iranian fire pagan, because I know it's insane. Even on the off chance that his mind is so warped that he is doing this for some other twisted reason, the practicality is the same. He is trying to help a guy destroying the planet and who is objectively pro COVID mass deaths.

Anyway who are you going to believe, Patine someone who is having a full on meltdown because he got memed at. Or your own lying eyes taking into account his posting history.


I kinds of wish we just had a out Trump supporter who could just directly defend his record. Instead of all these people playing insane contrarian logic defence force. I mean there would likely be a similar level of lying, but at least it would be more on topic.

 

[Patine]

yea you are lost and left behind. a white supremacist runs the US government overall, a white supremacist runs the DoJ, a white supremacist is lead advisor in the white house. you are the one who is having problems keeping up with reality. I'm done though, if you honestly believe the above after the last four years there is no saving you.

Do you understand the difference between active, institutional White Supremacism in government and lopsided-demographic-leaning policies applied clumsily, inconsistently, and only partially effectively (especially because the majority of policies needed to implement actual White Supremacist policy are State, not Federal, jurisdiction - hence why the Jim Crow laws were all State laws, not Federal laws)? I'm not saying Trump's Government is not repugnant, horrid, mismanaged, corrupt, nepotistic (VERY nepotistic - say hello, Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Don, Jr.), irrational, inexplicable, and admiring of tyrants (as well as the genocide leader against Native Americans and early slave-power advocate, the petulant and highly-thin-skinned President Andrew Jackson) and with racist, misogynist, and LGBTQ overtones, and playing Pence like a pied piper to lead supposed Evangelicals for the most irreligious U.S. President to ever take office - but calling him a Fascist or a White Supremacist with any effectiveness (the man is not a Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Ian Smith, or D.F. Malan) is just gilding the lily for rhetoric, but is, at the end of the day, not fully true. One can oppose a political leader and their government, even vociferously, without saying that every single possible flaw or evil governance in the book is their sin to bear. As I like to say, perspective and proportion, please.

 

[Patine]

You know I personally love being accused of being a Iranian religious figure perpetuating a evil duopoly, as I sit here in Australia, a Atheist who voted for the Aussie Greens, a third party.

We all know what Patine's actual views are. Trump supporter. He throws insane fits at the slightest mention of fascism, always plays defence squad for Trump, and repeats right wing talking points perfectly. And of course gets insanely mad when accurately accused of being a Trump supporter. I don't get mad when he accuses me of being a Iranian fire pagan, because I know it's insane. Even on the off chance that his mind is so warped that he is doing this for some other twisted reason, the practicality is the same. He is trying to help a guy destroying the planet and who is objectively pro COVID mass deaths.

Anyway who are you going to believe, Patine someone who is having a full on meltdown because he got memed at. Or your own lying eyes taking into account his posting history.


I kinds of wish we just had a out Trump supporter who could just directly defend his record. Instead of all these people playing insane contrarian logic defence force. I mean there would likely be a similar level of lying, but at least it would be more on topic.

Maybe it didn't occur to you that my anger was at blind and unthinking declarations all the time of me being a Trump supporter, from baseless slander rhetoric - Mussolini and McCarthy - style, because certain other points of view of mine are unpopular, and that really gets old. And, you do NOT have any idea what my values and views are, at all. And since you don't, and every attempt to declare it by false accusation and lie has been utterly incorrect, it's time for you quit. You do not know my beliefs, other than the few I have stated, none of which show any support for Trump. In fact, I consider him a repugnant monster. Just because I think Biden is also a horrid, monstrous candidate does not validate your personal attacks (a violation of the ToS of the site, I remind you), and you still lack any knowledge of me or my other beliefs to make such a judgement. And I am much calmer as I type this post. Now, can it. You have made a cad out of yourself, and continue to defend your unacceptable conduct. It's time to stop. You are wrong here, and have been from the start of this conversation. I know it hurts your ego, but life takes a blow to all of our pride's, every now and then.

 

[Kyriakos]

Currently there's no other alternative to Trump, than Biden.
You can thank the old/casual/fam voters and the DNC for this.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I liked Buttigieg. Thought he talked quite a bit of sense.

 

[Kyriakos]

I liked Buttigieg. Thought he talked quite a bit of sense.

Bankrolled by big money and a lifestyle politician if there ever was one.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Bankrolled by big money and a lifestyle politician if there ever was one.

I only heard him talk. Didn't do a background check. I have stuff to do and places to be, and I'm not voting in the circus anyway. But I thought he talked quite a bit of sense.

Hitler was opposed to fox hunting.

 

[Kyriakos]

I only heard him talk. Didn't do a background check.

It's always refreshing to see someone readily admit they don't know what they are talking about

 

[Cutlass]

why does russia love blow hards so hard?

They think things were better in the past, and they are butthurt that they aren't getting the free handouts they used to. So anyone promising to bring that back gets their support.

Make Russia, Poland, Hungary, Great Again!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's always refreshing to see someone readily admit they don't know what they are talking about

I was talking about the things Buttigieg talked about, and I thought they made sense.

I'm sorry to hear you are in favour of fox hunting. I think it's a cruel past-time myself.

 

[Kyriakos]

It is scary to think that Trump would have won in a landslide if covid hadn't happened.
And the election result isn't in yet...

 

[Zardnaar]

It is scary to think that Trump would have won in a landslide if covid hadn't happened.
And the election result isn't in yet...

He might have won. I'm not convinced. Wouldn't be s landslide either way.

 

[Estebonrober]

Do you understand the difference between active, institutional White Supremacism in government and lopsided-demographic-leaning policies applied clumsily, inconsistently, and only partially effectively (especially because the majority of policies needed to implement actual White Supremacist policy are State, not Federal, jurisdiction - hence why the Jim Crow laws were all State laws, not Federal laws)? I'm not saying Trump's Government is not repugnant, horrid, mismanaged, corrupt, nepotistic (VERY nepotistic - say hello, Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Don, Jr.), irrational, inexplicable, and admiring of tyrants (as well as the genocide leader against Native Americans and early slave-power advocate, the petulant and highly-thin-skinned President Andrew Jackson) and with racist, misogynist, and LGBTQ overtones, and playing Pence like a pied piper to lead supposed Evangelicals for the most irreligious U.S. President to ever take office - but calling him a Fascist or a White Supremacist with any effectiveness (the man is not a Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Ian Smith, or D.F. Malan) is just gilding the lily for rhetoric, but is, at the end of the day, not fully true. One can oppose a political leader and their government, even vociferously, without saying that every single possible flaw or evil governance in the book is their sin to bear. As I like to say, perspective and proportion, please.

stfu

https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biopolitical-times/trumps-racehorse-theory-and-why-it-matters

On the campaign trail last week in Minnesota, Donald Trump reached into his well-worn bag of divisive tricks and pulled out a piece of rehashed eugenics in the guise of a compliment:

You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we’re so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.

This was not a one-off rant, but the latest in a string of pronouncements that echo the eugenics playbook. Back at a 2016 rally, Trump mused:

I always said that winning is somewhat, maybe, innate. Maybe it’s just something you have; you have the winning gene. Frankly it would be wonderful if you could develop it, but I’m not so sure you can. You know I’m proud to have that German blood, there’s no question about it. Great stuff.