3rd and 4th Unique Components for VP - Official thread 87

adan_eslavo · Apr 25, 2018

Amount of code we have for each component i not as big as in vp so it was easier for us to maintain. We have subfolders for each civ and there are subfolders for each component we added or changed. We do not consider rewriting all stuff. Too much work.

Tekamthi · Apr 25, 2018

Great work, can't wait to try this!

pineappledan said:
Coming Less Soon:
Compatibility with Enlightenment Era for VP

what kind of problems do you anticipate, if any, w/ EE in current state?

pineappledan · Apr 25, 2018

Spoiler Long post for EE compatibility :

here are the unique replacements which need to be made, and a list of probable modifications to be made to the units and buildings. This would likely be easiest if done as a separate 4uc-EE compatibility mod, instead of fiddling with load orders and conditional changes:

Units:
China (Xiafan Guanjun, (Frigate))

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Morocco (Corsair -> Ship of the Line)

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Spain (Armada (Corvette))

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Greek (Klepht -> light infantry) --currently gatling gun

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Portugal (Cacadores -> light infantry) --currently gatling gun

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Korea (Kobukseon >Carrack) -- currently caravel

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Russia (Licorne > Field Gun)

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Siam (Seir Morb > Field Gun)

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Unit Tech Changes:

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Buildings:
England (White Tower -> Tower of Buddhist Incense) -- currently hermitage

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Dutch (Waag -> weigh house) -- currently bank

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Austrian (Schutzenstand -> gunsmith) -- currently arsenal

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French (Grande ecole -> academy) -- currently public school

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Brazil (Sambadrome -> Salon) --currently opera house

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And then a ton of text changes obviously.

Asterix Rage · Apr 25, 2018

I suggest the Waag to stay as and where it is ( replaces Bank at Civil Service )
Technicaly the Waag is from the 15th Century. (long before the Enlightment Era) but... Waag means Weigh House !
Actually, the Waag is everything but a bank (with or without EE-VP) First It was a City gate, and then a guildhall, and then a museum, and then a fire station, and then a fencing hall, many other things even a punishment house with a guillotine !
Now, Civ is a game and the Waag (as a bank) will be not the only historical stupidity. First the gameplay and then a storyline that vaguely refert to History.

Same for the french Grande école. No need to make a so big change ( replaces Public School at Scientific Theory )
There is no link with the salon. You're making a confusion with the Gallery I think.

Same for the Sambadrome (replaces Opera House at Acoustics)
No link with Academy. No change needed.

Academy and Salon are the only two buildings we can not build together in EE-VP. (Wich is an interesting concept by the way. Culture or Science?...)
Both are exclusive to EE and shouldnt interact with 4th UC4VP. IMO

I'm surprise you already know what to do with EE-VP.
You should take your time
You should play EE-VP
And you must love EE-VP
before...

But anyway, big congrat for the massive work you are doing with 4th UC4VP :clap:

Infixo · Apr 25, 2018

@Deadstarre Are you referring to .civ5mod? If so, then this a default format for a mod distribution, actually. The game will unpack it and you will have 1200 files or so in the mods folder eventually.

pineappledan · Apr 25, 2018

A waag is just the Dutch word for weigh house. This would be like asking to make the walls of babylon a library replacement instead. I’m aware of the various additional roles that the Amsterdam Waag adopted, but that can’t be generalized to all Dutch waags. Keeping the building as a bank replacement when there is an actual weigh house building would be just too weird

Grande Ecole --> academy, Sambadome --> salon. You got them reversed. I know they are mutually exclusive, which is why the unique replacements should be "relieved" of that limitation

Sambadrome ideally would come industrial, but there's only 1 cultural building in the industrial and it's GWArt-focused. replacing salon puts it closer to its real historical context

Same with Grande Ecole, that institution predates Napolean's French Republic, which I consider a useful cutoff for the line between enlightenment and industrial. One thing I had considered, however, is just stacking all the bonuses from both academy and salon onto Grande Ecole and keeping the exclusivity. It would look too much like skola then though

In both cases it also unstacks a building which already has another unique replacement, which isn’t all that important, but it’s nice

If there are valid historical or balance reasons to keep them where they are then they will stay. I’m already going to have to change 2 dozen units while I’m at it, a few buildings won’t be too much trouble.

I’m in no rush to do this compatibility fix though. It comes when it comes, or it comes when someone else does it

Deadstarre · Apr 25, 2018

Infixo said:
@Deadstarre Are yuo referring to .civ5mod? If so, then this a default format for a mod distribution, actually. The game will unpack it and you will have 1200 files or so in the mods folder eventually.

You are correct! Today I learned. Thank you again and apologies on my confusion there.

pineappledan · Apr 25, 2018

You can unpack a civ5mod with winRAR. Just don’t pay for it

ElliotS · Apr 25, 2018

pineappledan said:
You can unpack a civ5mod with winRAR. Just don’t pay for it

7zip ftw!

Infixo · Apr 25, 2018

ElliotS said:
7zip ftw!

Actually .civ5mod IS .7z file, just with a changed extension

Tekamthi · Apr 25, 2018

so EE & this in current state will be a little unbalanced? ie some units or buildings too strong/weak for given era? plus some temporal inaccuracies? pretty much how i like my civ anyway...

which one should i play to guarantee i don't get any early/prolonged advantage?

pineappledan · Apr 25, 2018

units will obsolete and upgrade into the wrong stuff. that's the major problem

Any civ with a new unique unit before medieval or after enlightenment is totally fine. Any unique unit in medieval will just obsolete super late, so the gameplay impact is minimal. Rennaissance era unique units are effed

HungryForFood · Apr 27, 2018

Since its in a ready state now, are you planning to put this on Steam? I've noticed that mods get much more exposure there, then if hidden in CFC.

ScooterDWiebels · Apr 27, 2018

I have a question
What is the best way to tell if 3 and 4 UC is active. Is it better I create a separate compatibility mod or put compatibility in the custom civ and check the database if the mod is active. The problem with the former it requires dependencies and a separate mod, the latter requires the mods be loaded in a specific order to work (I believe mod dependencies is only a single pass check).

HungryForFood · Apr 28, 2018

You will need to do it in SQL. Example code from my Prussia compatibility:

Code:

--==========================================================================================================================
-- MORE UNIQUE COMPONENTS FOR VP (NEW)
--==========================================================================================================================
-- Units
------------------------------
UPDATE Units SET MinorCivGift = 0, Class = 'UNITCLASS_CUIRASSIER' WHERE Type = 'UNIT_JFD_DEATHS_HEAD' AND EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Buildings WHERE Type ='BUILDING_GERMANY_TEUTONIC_ORDER');
--------------------------------  
-- Civilization_UnitClassOverrides
--------------------------------
INSERT INTO Civilization_UnitClassOverrides
        (CivilizationType, UnitClassType, UnitType)
SELECT    'CIVILIZATION_JFD_PRUSSIA', 'UNITCLASS_CUIRASSIER', 'UNIT_JFD_DEATHS_HEAD'
WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Buildings WHERE Type = 'BUILDING_GERMANY_TEUTONIC_ORDER');
--------------------------------  
-- Civilization_BuildingClassOverrides
--------------------------------  
INSERT INTO Civilization_BuildingClassOverrides
        (CivilizationType, BuildingClassType, BuildingType)
SELECT    'CIVILIZATION_JFD_PRUSSIA', 'BUILDINGCLASS_MINT', 'BUILDING_HANSE'
WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM Buildings WHERE Type = 'BUILDING_GERMANY_TEUTONIC_ORDER');
--------------------------------  
-- Trigger for the above three (mysterious load order issues)
--------------------------------  
CREATE TRIGGER JFDPrussiaForVP_4UC
AFTER INSERT ON Buildings
WHEN NEW.Type = 'BUILDING_GERMANY_TEUTONIC_ORDER'
BEGIN
    UPDATE Units SET MinorCivGift = 0, Class = 'UNITCLASS_CUIRASSIER' WHERE Type = 'UNIT_JFD_DEATHS_HEAD';
   
    INSERT INTO Civilization_UnitClassOverrides
            (CivilizationType, UnitClassType, UnitType)
    VALUES    ('CIVILIZATION_JFD_PRUSSIA', 'UNITCLASS_CUIRASSIER', 'UNIT_JFD_DEATHS_HEAD');
   
    INSERT INTO Civilization_BuildingClassOverrides
            (CivilizationType, BuildingClassType, BuildingType)
    VALUES    ('CIVILIZATION_JFD_PRUSSIA', 'BUILDINGCLASS_MINT', 'BUILDING_HANSE');
END;

I set the mod to reference 3/4UC, and the code detects if the Teutonic Order national wonder exists (any building or unit would work). The trigger is there because there's some weird load order issue.

ScooterDWiebels · Apr 28, 2018

HungryForFood said:
You will need to do it in SQL. Example code from my Prussia compatibility:
I set the mod to reference 3/4UC, and the code detects if the Teutonic Order national wonder exists (any building or unit would work). The trigger is there because there's some weird load order issue.

I understand what's going on here thanks before I pull my hair out over this.

grmagne · Apr 30, 2018

Are there any known compatibility issues with other VP mods? The (9) Wonders Expanded (v2) mod and the Tectonic Map Script (v4) no longer activate after I installed this More Unique Components for VP (v30) mod.

Are there any easy fixes to make them compatible, or is it something that's difficult to do?

EDIT: It works fine. I cleared my cache and re-installed all of my mods and now everything works. Great job everyone, this is a lot of fun!!

adan_eslavo · May 1, 2018

@grmagne ne I play with wonder expanded and did not saw any issues. Should be compatible without a problem. We do not change world wonders in our MUCfVP mod so play safe. W.R.T. map scripts there shouldn't also be any problems. New resources we added spawn during the game so after map script is used. Starting bias are VP ones even if we changed some, we did that not by adding new ones, but by moving from one to another cathegory. Go ahead. Don't forget to tell us if you encounter something odd.

adan_eslavo · May 1, 2018

v31 (Ethiopia Patch) offcialy released!

Not so much features, but some very importan changes:

Spoiler Changelog :

Side note: If you are skilled artist and have some free time you can join and help us in modifying some models, flags, pictures or promotion icons. What we have is good enough to play but always could be better!

pineappledan · May 1, 2018

I just posted a text update on github. It fixes a text error in the oppidum and lists all the potential yields from the monolithic church and how to get them (so the help text box says +1 x for Y policy, etc.) Please release a

v31.1 with this new info

~~I'll update the OP~~
I have updated the OP

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