9th Civ: It's Sweden

[Oohforf]

I do like the inspired choice of Songhai and Ethiopia, just not the tribal civs.

The irony of me looking at your post right there and then looking at your avatar...

And Kongo wasn't your typical "tribal" African nation.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Man, I would love a DLC pack created just to annoy China that includes Tibet and Taiwan.

It would be ironic that one of the new wonders in the expansion pack will be the thing that prevents the Tibet DLC from being sold in China.

 

[nokmirt]

The irony of me looking at your post right there and then looking at your avatar...

And Kongo wasn't your typical "tribal" African nation.

I have been through that with him too. It was ironic one day when he told me not to swear. Somone that calls himself Buccaneer and tells people not to swear, that's a first. I believe I said Hell. Is hell considered a swear? I never thought of it as a true swearword, but oh well. Whatever floats your boat Buccaneer.

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[Bechhold]

So why does Gustavus Adolphus have a full blown viking beard thing going on?

So Firaxis had trouble drawing this...?:

 

[Stefanskantine]

How about a "breakaway regions" DLC to annoy all of the world powers.

New civs:

Chechnya
Georgia
Tibet
Taiwan
Basque
Catalonia
Kurdistan
2nd Vermont Republic

 

[nokmirt]

Man, I would love a DLC pack created just to annoy China that includes Tibet and Taiwan.

That would great. I'd buy that in a moment.

 

[PhilBowles]

An interesting theme for the next expansion could be "Into the Future" or some such. Add a new more robust future era, and the civs included could be those that are looking likely to take on an increasingly significant global role in the future. It would be a bit of a departure for the series, but I'd be into it.

Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, Indonesia come to mind.

If emerging powers are a criterion, we'd need a European Union civ...

I'd rather avoid any future era stuff - the GDR's a fun joke, but this isn't Call to Power. I have plenty of games I can play for futuristic stuff, and Civ isn't the place.

 

[nokmirt]

Futuristic is not my cup of tea either. They would have something in there that interests me. Beyond the Cold War kind of bores me. I do love science fiction, just not with civ is all.

 

[Louis XXIV]

So why does Gustavus Adolphus have a full blown viking beard thing going on?

So Firaxis had trouble drawing this...?:

Maybe, because he was on campaign, he didn't have time to shave (as opposed to a portrait, where you want to look your best).

It's also worth pointing out that concept art and final art are not always an exact match.

 

[chazzycat]

I like Sweden, but this struck me as a bit ironic:

the Carolean, a front-line unit specializing in long marches.

"The Swedish soldiers who reached the battle of Poltava were exhausted and hungry. During this long march an estimated 35,000 Swedish soldiers - 70% of the army - died of famine, disease and exhaustion. The battle ended in a decisive Russian victory which resulted in the decline of the Swedish Empire."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroleans

 

[Buccaneer]

The irony of me looking at your post right there and then looking at your avatar...

One still can pay homage to their hometown, right?

And Kongo wasn't your typical "tribal" African nation.

No, but still have no interest in them nor Zulu in a civ game partly because of the rantings of those saying they must/should be in.

 

[ampmclock]

Maan, you guys shouldn't be complaining. If this was the other way around, if they had revealed Swedish and Netherlands first, and only just now revealed Ethiopia or Mayans, you would all be pretty happy.

Just think of Civ4 and the cluster crash amount of Civs in the game by the end. The Zulus will come, Portugal will come, hell, maybe even Sumer or Sioux.

Personally, I think that 2K should spent the next 12 months dropping a total of six Civs, and then about a year from now we get an extra seven or eight civs, hopefully some of them modern, like the deliciously cool Ethiopian leader.

My personal fantasy for Civ 5 goes like this:

Romania - Stephen the great (with Impalers as a UU

Majaphit

Sioux - Sitting bull

Zulu - SHAKA BRAAAH

Brazil - Pedro


Expansion pack released, Modern Game expansion, which I think is a great idea. I know someone was saying that a modern game expansion would be lame because Civ is so great for learning about history and all that, we already have enough of that in civ, lets expand late game a little bit, and add some modern civs. It makes no sense for Canada to be around in 10,000 bc, but same goes for The Huns being around in 2010.
in the expansion pack I would like

Mexico - Benito

Soviet Union - Lenin

Communist China - Mao

Israel - Solomon

Portugal - Embarked units can

Tibet - Songtsän Gampo: +5 culture from all mountians, UB: Monk Monestary, UU: Monk Warriors, +2 happiness when fortified.

And if 2K suddenly decided to make me really, REALLY happy...
Final DLC pack, Fantasy pack.


Atlantis - King Triton : Build Cities on water tiles only


Camelot - King Arthur

...

then a cross over DLC pack

Koopa Kingdom: Bowser, all units get higher defense. Better castles, Hammer Bros. replace infantry


Springfield: Mayor Quinby


Starship Federation: Capt. Piccard - For every science discovered +5 culture.

 

[Pieman]

Sweden? Man... they could have at least have had Poland instead...

 

[fat_tonle]

An interesting theme for the next expansion could be "Into the Future" or some such. Add a new more robust future era, and the civs included could be those that are looking likely to take on an increasingly significant global role in the future. It would be a bit of a departure for the series, but I'd be into it.

Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, Indonesia come to mind.

Yeah but civ was never based on the future. Even as a simple future scenario, how much did Brazil ever play on the world stage? A country on the rise with a unique culture? Sure, but never a player on the world stage.

I am not opposed to modern civs per say, but I don't feel you can neglect everybody else, even if Brazil is the big gun out of that group.

 

[Louis XXIV]

The problem with trying to project future significance is these predictions are often wrong. If Civilization was released in 1900, America might not be in it, but Argentina would be. Most people these days would not think Argentina should be in (Buenos Ares isn't even a city-state).

 

[fat_tonle]

The problem with trying to project future significance is these predictions are often wrong. If Civilization was released in 1900, America might not be in it, but Argentina would be. Most people these days would not think Argentina should be in (Buenos Ares isn't even a city-state).

I don't think one has to predict anything. Even in this future scenario, what are your predictions likely to be exactly? Maybe something akin to that Civ IV scenario. Europa. Asia. Americas. What was basically 4 quadrants (I forget the name of that scenario but it had a lot of cool future tech).

Not that I feel that is a realistic interpretation. I guess you could do a WW3 scenario, but again, what role would countries like Brazil and Canada really play with that? They would go with the flow more or less, and the major players would be China, Russia, Europe, US. At least that's how we perceive WW3 if it played out.

Going further into the future is pointless. We don't even have some basic historical features as of yet... colonization, revolutions, enhanced diplomacy features, etc. I don't want the developers worrying about adding features to colonize the Moon or Mars in the game any time soon.

I do think you can extend the game with future tech. Maybe into 2100 or so. But I don't feel that merits the addition of modern states. If you put in modern states there is no where else to draw the line. Right now the line is the US and nobody else.

 

[GenjiKhan]

I think Argentina would be a better choice than Gran Colombia for being the 3rd South American civ,since the only reason to add Gran Colombia is only because of the popularity of Simon Bolivar in Spaniard Latin America .

 

[fat_tonle]

I do like the inspired choice of Songhai and Ethiopia, just not the tribal civs.

Eh, Iroquois and Polynesia are also tribal.... I think Africa is worthy of representation in that department.

Yeah, I'm also hoping for a real medieval scenario with Hungary and Poland
Besides Portugal - which will certainly be soon added as a DLC - those 2 are the only main missing European civs
Ideally there would be 2 DLCs released soon: a Portugal-Kongo and a Hungary-Poland doublepack, and then no more Europeans

The real Medieval scenario could be Fall of Rome. I don't know how that scenario will work. Not that I am too wrapped up in the scenarios, but for curiosity sakes, I'd imagine you will play as East or West, and Atilla will come for the two of you. And you have to outlast either Rome or Constantinople. Not sure how they plan on representing Goths and Franks and God knows what else. Bismark and Napoleon would be out of place.

But you are right, there is plenty of time to expound upon say 600 AD to 1100 AD. But a true Medieval scenario would be playing as a Lord controlling different fiefdoms. Not sure you can incorporate that on a country/continental scale like Civ. Unless you were specifically adapting things like the 100 Years War, Crusades, so in so's invasion of whatever... specific events. Obviously a possibility, but something of a European scale can be accounted for already with the presently constituted civs. Scenarios specific to Hungary or Poland would be a reach.

My vision would be picking a Medieval nation, and trying to win the favor of the Pope. Maybe England wouldn't be a player in that case but the Protestant Reformation was much later than the Crusades no? But yeah, I would make it a religious scenario where you capture Holy Cities and spread your religion. First nation to capture Jerusalem? Or accrue enough Faith points? Something like that.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Zulu fans sound like Cubs fans. "Maybe in the next expansion".

 

[TimeWeaver]

"Jag sa ju det!"

Or in plain English: I told you so!

It was the colours, the rims and the typical riding boot top that gave it away so early, at least for someone who have seen those portraits here and there since I was in diapers.

I just love the UA and the UUs, this will be such fun! I wonder what Swedish dialect Gustaf II will speak.

"Grattis till alla som hade hoppats på Sverige! Det här blir kul! Kyllä, kyllä!"