SoldierChild
Anarchist
ooc: Screw you guys those polar bears and Eskimos are staying with New Holland. Keep in mind i gotta keep a base down under and on top of the world
A Brave New World Part 2
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Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: China
From: France
We will be sure to attend this conference. Perhaps something can be said to account for rampant disregard of other nations' sovereignty over colonial possessions?
From: France
We will be sure to attend this conference. Perhaps something can be said to account for rampant disregard of other nations' sovereignty over colonial possessions?
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: China
From: France
Perhaps blockades would be an effective way of keeping such toe-stepping in line.
From: France
Perhaps blockades would be an effective way of keeping such toe-stepping in line.
Edit: Just realized you are talking about India.
To: France
From: China
The Himalaya region is one of lawlessness and ill defined borders. It appears that development aid meant for Tibet and Afghanistan was picked up by rebels or criminals in the area and sold to the Indians illegally. We will dispatch a few divisions to the border area to make sure this does not happen again.
To: France
From: China
The Himalaya region is one of lawlessness and ill defined borders. It appears that development aid meant for Tibet and Afghanistan was picked up by rebels or criminals in the area and sold to the Indians illegally. We will dispatch a few divisions to the border area to make sure this does not happen again.
Circuit
Writing Letters
To: China
From: SUSA
The SUSA would be pleased to allow the Chinese government to reopen an embassy in Rio de Janeiro, and does indeed plan to open an embassy in Lanzhou. We look forward to future peaceful friendly relations.
Arian
No more ghostbusting!!
To: The Republic of China
From: Persia
We are interested in joining this alliance. Please inform us how to proceed. (PM)
SoldierChild
Anarchist
To: The Repubilc of China
From: New Holland
We too are interested in joining such an alliance
From: New Holland
We too are interested in joining such an alliance
Agent 89
King
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From: Pennsylvania
To: New Jersey
Your accusations that Pennsylvanian ships were pirates are what were ridiculous. The only act of piracy to occur in the area was when the New York Yankees hijacked a French ship headed towards New Jersey. However, this was near New York City. If you are so worried about these pirates, we suggest you search ships near New York, not in the Delaware Bay. Even New England has recognized that your claims of pirates are unfound and rediculous. Besides this fact, your ships happened to stop our vessels not only in your territorial waters, but throughout the Delaware Bay. Although you would like to think so, New Jersey does not own the entire bay. Finally, your requests that we ask perrmission to send merchant vessels into your waters are equally ridiculous to your claims of pirates. They are only trading vessels, not armed warships. Pennsylvania does not require nations to ask permission for every single ship of theirs that enters our territorial waters, nor does any other country that we know of. Doing so is simply as silly waste of time.
It is clear that all New Jersey is trying to do here is to abuse their power in order to undermine Pennsylvanian shipping. First you attempt to tax our merchants on the Delaware, and when you were stopped there you move to the Delaware Bay, where you use piracy as an insane excuse to stop our shipping. We repeat that further agression by New Jersey against Pennsylvanian ships will be taken as an act of war.
To: New Jersey
Your accusations that Pennsylvanian ships were pirates are what were ridiculous. The only act of piracy to occur in the area was when the New York Yankees hijacked a French ship headed towards New Jersey. However, this was near New York City. If you are so worried about these pirates, we suggest you search ships near New York, not in the Delaware Bay. Even New England has recognized that your claims of pirates are unfound and rediculous. Besides this fact, your ships happened to stop our vessels not only in your territorial waters, but throughout the Delaware Bay. Although you would like to think so, New Jersey does not own the entire bay. Finally, your requests that we ask perrmission to send merchant vessels into your waters are equally ridiculous to your claims of pirates. They are only trading vessels, not armed warships. Pennsylvania does not require nations to ask permission for every single ship of theirs that enters our territorial waters, nor does any other country that we know of. Doing so is simply as silly waste of time.
It is clear that all New Jersey is trying to do here is to abuse their power in order to undermine Pennsylvanian shipping. First you attempt to tax our merchants on the Delaware, and when you were stopped there you move to the Delaware Bay, where you use piracy as an insane excuse to stop our shipping. We repeat that further agression by New Jersey against Pennsylvanian ships will be taken as an act of war.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: China
From: France
See to it that you do, lest France be forced to take more critical actions to police the region properly.
From: France
See to it that you do, lest France be forced to take more critical actions to police the region properly.
DarthNader
Destroyer of Worlds
From: The Democratic Republic of New Jersey
To: Pennsylvania
For the love of God (oh whoops, forgot you were godless Communist swine for a moment) have a knowledge of actual facts before you go about attempting to respond to anything anyone says.
Never had we said that the Pennsylvanians, civilian or military, were pirates. We are insulted by the fact that you thought this. The reason why we boarded the ships was to search for pirated vessels, especially those captured by Yankees. We were also making sure that contraband items such as narcotics, firearms, and certain chemicals were not being transported through our waters, which would be ideal targets for pirates. Any ships intercepted by the New Jerseyan Navy were escorted to either Virginian waters or New Englander waters, where there is a more substantial naval presence in which to protect civilian ships.
If you had ever looked at a map, you would notice Long Island and all of New York City is very close to our border. In fact, from several of our northern towns and cities one can see the brilliant skyline of New York City. You are correct in noticing the pirating happened near New York City, but you must also remember the ship was heading to the region of New Jersey where most of the ports are. In fact, the Chevrefeuille, a New Jerseyan ship, was headed to Elizabeth, which is separated from Staten Island by the Arthur Kill.
So, to recap...the Chevrefeuille was in New Jerseyan waters and it was a New Jerseyan ship not a French one.
That's a great idea. Good thing that was exactly what we did. The New Jerseyan Navy was searching ships throughout New Jersey's territorial waters, not just in the Delaware Bay. It just so happens that that a large amount of Pennsylvania's trading fleets go through the Delaware Bay, so they happened to be boarded more than others. If the waters between Atlantic City and Tom's River was a major route for Quebecois trading ships, then the Quebecois would have been boarded more rather than Pennsylvanians. We can understand if people believe that the operation was a direct action against Pennsylvanian shipping (although if it was, it wasn't effective at doing so) but it's not our fault that your trading ships were in our waters when it was being carried out.
We found this out at the same time you did, and, since we haven't seen much pirate activity since the original incident, we have agreed to tone down our anti-pirating operations. If New England, the nation that the incident affected the most, thinks it is wise for us to tone down our operations, then we shall do just that.
This is a complete falsity. Pennsylvanian ships traveling in the New Jerseyan half of the bay were boarded and dealt with. We are insulted that you Quakers say this and demand evidence to be presented if you wish to press the issue. If you have evidence, then we will apologize and make sure the naval officers responsible are punished accordingly. However, we highly doubt such evidence exists seeing as we are nearly certain it did not happen.
Never, I repeat, NEVER has any representative of the New Jerseyan government claimed that the entirety of the Delaware Bay was our territorial waters...nor would we want this. If we had complete control of the bay, then the good people of Delaware would be left no avenue to export their goods to the world.
New Jersey's territorial waters are exactly that, New Jersey's. That being the case, we have the right to do what we wish with it as we see fit. If you Quakers are too lazy to make a simple request, then we can't be held responsible if you complain about not being able to sail New Jerseyan waters.
That is because they are your waters and you choose to do that. But, then again, the only waters Pennsylvania controls are ultimately patrolled by the great New Englander Navy and don't have to worry about dealing with their own problems.
Well, now you do seeing as you recognized our sovereignty and we are requiring proper authorization for foreign ships to sail our waters.
We don't see it as a waste of time that we take the care to make sure we have complete control of our waters. In fact, we see it as a service to everyone who uses our waters because we manage its traffic and make sure it is safe for shipping.
Hopefully you read the statements above. We really don't feel like repeating ourselves.
The only reason we proposed taxing vessels on the Delaware River was because your government claimed the entire river was yours. The threat of taxation was to help add leverage to our side, and evened the playing field which led to the declaration of the river being open to all. Had we not done so, all our river ports would have been left out to dry as most of the weight was on your side, and an armed conflict could have arisen, which we did not want.
Again, Pennsylvanian ships were never singled out. We have moved on since our war, and we hoped you would have too. Now you are threatening us with war. We will not bow to the will of the Quaker and we shall not change our domestic policy because you think it is inconvenient for you. If you want war, then go ahead and invade, but God as our witness, we will not let you take a single inch of our land without it being drenched in Quaker blood. Don't believe New Jersey is weak...remember, we pushed you out of our land and held you on the other side of the Delaware for well over a year with little casualties.
To: Pennsylvania
For the love of God (oh whoops, forgot you were godless Communist swine for a moment) have a knowledge of actual facts before you go about attempting to respond to anything anyone says.
Never had we said that the Pennsylvanians, civilian or military, were pirates. We are insulted by the fact that you thought this. The reason why we boarded the ships was to search for pirated vessels, especially those captured by Yankees. We were also making sure that contraband items such as narcotics, firearms, and certain chemicals were not being transported through our waters, which would be ideal targets for pirates. Any ships intercepted by the New Jerseyan Navy were escorted to either Virginian waters or New Englander waters, where there is a more substantial naval presence in which to protect civilian ships.
If you had ever looked at a map, you would notice Long Island and all of New York City is very close to our border. In fact, from several of our northern towns and cities one can see the brilliant skyline of New York City. You are correct in noticing the pirating happened near New York City, but you must also remember the ship was heading to the region of New Jersey where most of the ports are. In fact, the Chevrefeuille, a New Jerseyan ship, was headed to Elizabeth, which is separated from Staten Island by the Arthur Kill.
So, to recap...the Chevrefeuille was in New Jerseyan waters and it was a New Jerseyan ship not a French one.
That's a great idea. Good thing that was exactly what we did. The New Jerseyan Navy was searching ships throughout New Jersey's territorial waters, not just in the Delaware Bay. It just so happens that that a large amount of Pennsylvania's trading fleets go through the Delaware Bay, so they happened to be boarded more than others. If the waters between Atlantic City and Tom's River was a major route for Quebecois trading ships, then the Quebecois would have been boarded more rather than Pennsylvanians. We can understand if people believe that the operation was a direct action against Pennsylvanian shipping (although if it was, it wasn't effective at doing so) but it's not our fault that your trading ships were in our waters when it was being carried out.
We found this out at the same time you did, and, since we haven't seen much pirate activity since the original incident, we have agreed to tone down our anti-pirating operations. If New England, the nation that the incident affected the most, thinks it is wise for us to tone down our operations, then we shall do just that.
This is a complete falsity. Pennsylvanian ships traveling in the New Jerseyan half of the bay were boarded and dealt with. We are insulted that you Quakers say this and demand evidence to be presented if you wish to press the issue. If you have evidence, then we will apologize and make sure the naval officers responsible are punished accordingly. However, we highly doubt such evidence exists seeing as we are nearly certain it did not happen.
Never, I repeat, NEVER has any representative of the New Jerseyan government claimed that the entirety of the Delaware Bay was our territorial waters...nor would we want this. If we had complete control of the bay, then the good people of Delaware would be left no avenue to export their goods to the world.
New Jersey's territorial waters are exactly that, New Jersey's. That being the case, we have the right to do what we wish with it as we see fit. If you Quakers are too lazy to make a simple request, then we can't be held responsible if you complain about not being able to sail New Jerseyan waters.
That is because they are your waters and you choose to do that. But, then again, the only waters Pennsylvania controls are ultimately patrolled by the great New Englander Navy and don't have to worry about dealing with their own problems.
Well, now you do seeing as you recognized our sovereignty and we are requiring proper authorization for foreign ships to sail our waters.
We don't see it as a waste of time that we take the care to make sure we have complete control of our waters. In fact, we see it as a service to everyone who uses our waters because we manage its traffic and make sure it is safe for shipping.
Hopefully you read the statements above. We really don't feel like repeating ourselves.
The only reason we proposed taxing vessels on the Delaware River was because your government claimed the entire river was yours. The threat of taxation was to help add leverage to our side, and evened the playing field which led to the declaration of the river being open to all. Had we not done so, all our river ports would have been left out to dry as most of the weight was on your side, and an armed conflict could have arisen, which we did not want.
Again, Pennsylvanian ships were never singled out. We have moved on since our war, and we hoped you would have too. Now you are threatening us with war. We will not bow to the will of the Quaker and we shall not change our domestic policy because you think it is inconvenient for you. If you want war, then go ahead and invade, but God as our witness, we will not let you take a single inch of our land without it being drenched in Quaker blood. Don't believe New Jersey is weak...remember, we pushed you out of our land and held you on the other side of the Delaware for well over a year with little casualties.
D'Artagnan59
The Gascon
To: Republic of China
From: Borneo
We are ready to join APACS.
From: Borneo
We are ready to join APACS.
Jason The King
Deity
To New Jersey, Pennsylvania
From Virginia
In order to facilitate peace in the Delaware Bay, Virginia proposes a treaty similar to that of the Delaware River: fair and free trade. Piracy is non-existent off our coasts, so policing the actual bay should not be an issue. If either nation wishes to inspect cargo for illegal goods, they are welcome to do so when they are in port. There should be no reason to board ships that are at sail in the Bay.
From Virginia
In order to facilitate peace in the Delaware Bay, Virginia proposes a treaty similar to that of the Delaware River: fair and free trade. Piracy is non-existent off our coasts, so policing the actual bay should not be an issue. If either nation wishes to inspect cargo for illegal goods, they are welcome to do so when they are in port. There should be no reason to board ships that are at sail in the Bay.
DarthNader
Destroyer of Worlds
Then why don't we declare the entire coast of New Jersey international water...or even the entire Atlantic? We were willing to make the Delaware River an open-trade area since no one nation could completely claim its small size. The Delaware Bay, however, is much larger and half of it is clearly, without a doubt New Jerseyan waters. If Virginia wishes to make its own half of the bay an open-trade are, then they may go right ahead, but under no circumstances will New Jersey surrender its indisputable territorial waters.
The Asian-Pacific Agreement for Cooperation and Security
The Republics of China, Borneo, New Holland and Persia hereby announce the creation of the Asian-Pacific Agreement for Cooperation and Security.
Red: Full member states
Pink: Invited states awaiting confirmation
Orange: Applicant states for full membership awaiting approval
Brown: Applicant states for "Special Partnership Status" awaiting approval
Yellow: States with the ability to submit applications
Spoiler :
OOC: Thanks to Luckymoose for the new flag and seal.
Jason The King
Deity
We aren't asking for New Jersey to surrender sovereignty over its territorial waters, we are asking her to stop needless searches that inhibits international trade and causes conflict. If New Jersey insists that there is illegal contraband being shipped into New Jersey, then she can inspect cargo being unloaded in New Jersey ports. Otherwise, she is just exacerbating a tense situation for no tangible gains. New Jersey loses nothing in this agreement, but would bring about peace in the region and even economic growth.
DarthNader
Destroyer of Worlds
We are not worried about contraband entering New Jersey. We are worried that pirates and smugglers are using our previously under protected waters to their advantage. As for searches at sea, we stated we will tone down our anti-pirating operations immediately after New England's statement that they believed pirating was no longer much of an issue, and we shall do that. We reserve the right to stop and board any ship in our waters if we have probable cause, and we will not relinquish that right by making any of our territorial waters open for trade.
We hope that solves this silly issue.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: China, New Holland, Persia and Borneo
FROM: Korea
Having gathered support from the Russian Federation to pursue admission into APACS the Korean nation officially wishes to join as a full member.
FROM: Korea
Having gathered support from the Russian Federation to pursue admission into APACS the Korean nation officially wishes to join as a full member.
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