Circuit
Writing Letters
To: France
From: SUSA
Lisists, Imperialists, we don't dichotomize the two. No real difference in our book, especially since the Lisists and the Imperialists joined forces in your civil war against the Socialists.
A Brave New World Part 2
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To: France
From: SUSA
Lisists, Imperialists, we don't dichotomize the two. No real difference in our book, especially since the Lisists and the Imperialists joined forces in your civil war against the Socialists.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: SUSA
From: France
Careful, lest we have an excuse not to dichotomize socialists and communists.
Circuit
Writing Letters
To: France
From: SUSA
You haven't and you don't. Maybe if you change your ways we'll change ours.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Circuit
Writing Letters
To: France
From: SUSA
And the Communists are dying out. Last bastion of Communism is Argentina. And the Imperialists never left; they just merged with the Lisists. Way we see it, two sides of the same coin.
To: Mexico
From: Various NPC people in Central America
We agree to your proposal on the plebiscite.
From: Various NPC people in Central America
We agree to your proposal on the plebiscite.
Nestea_Oreo
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Egypt thinks discussions on ideology should not have primacy over discussions of loyalty if one is to impress third parties uninvolved with either ideology.
SUSAs version of communism is a mixed tree under such a yardstick as is Lisism. Both have displayed moments of passion and self interest. However a neutral nation such as ours notes that Mexico was much closer to a relatively peaceful Brazil then Korea was to the European Axis that barely emerged victorious. After all strength is still being marshaled to come to the aid of their Scottish allies.
All this of course means that you, Dear Reader, should send Egypt development aid as she remembers aid and prizes loyalty in both herself and others.
SUSAs version of communism is a mixed tree under such a yardstick as is Lisism. Both have displayed moments of passion and self interest. However a neutral nation such as ours notes that Mexico was much closer to a relatively peaceful Brazil then Korea was to the European Axis that barely emerged victorious. After all strength is still being marshaled to come to the aid of their Scottish allies.
All this of course means that you, Dear Reader, should send Egypt development aid as she remembers aid and prizes loyalty in both herself and others.
Circuit
Writing Letters
Okay...let's go through this again...we're not Communists! We're Socialists! Socialist Union of South America, ruled by the Socialist Party. And there are indeed very distinct ideological differences between Socialism and Communism. Communists seek for the State to eventually "fade away", and all action be collective. Socialists see the State as an effective means to achieve Socialist ends; it just has to be controlled by the workers class rather than the capitalist class.
Nestea_Oreo
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Noted!
However some arguments/accusations on the subject:
Capitalists let their people vote, unlike Socialists. In effect the rich do not control the population like communists and most socialists do as democracies are capable of overthrowing the ruling class. Even the new version of Socialism inspired by and successfully domestically pioneered by Serge Sauvage has yet to be introduced to key socialist countries that have ostensibly adopted such reforms. Frankly Egypt thinks that since voting entails a huge change in the nature of socialism that it may not be proper to call it socialism anymore. Perhaps social democracy would be a better name?
If you're saying that Lisists are Capitalists Egypt has to disagree. Lisism is clearly a political form derivative of right-wing fascism with mild rascist overtones and a slight branch of democracy and a free market system (I presume).
However some arguments/accusations on the subject:
Capitalists let their people vote, unlike Socialists. In effect the rich do not control the population like communists and most socialists do as democracies are capable of overthrowing the ruling class. Even the new version of Socialism inspired by and successfully domestically pioneered by Serge Sauvage has yet to be introduced to key socialist countries that have ostensibly adopted such reforms. Frankly Egypt thinks that since voting entails a huge change in the nature of socialism that it may not be proper to call it socialism anymore. Perhaps social democracy would be a better name?
If you're saying that Lisists are Capitalists Egypt has to disagree. Lisism is clearly a political form derivative of right-wing fascism with mild rascist overtones and a slight branch of democracy and a free market system (I presume).
Agent 89
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To: France
From: Pennsylvania
We rescind our previous statement. If France believes this is somehow a joke, then we will not pay them for the loans they made to New Jersey.
You speak of our unjust occupation of New Jersey. What of your occupation of over half of Europe. We laugh at your hypocrisy.
From: Pennsylvania
To: Virginia
Unfortunatly, we have decided that it is necessary, for the safety of both the Pennsylvanian and New Jersey people, and for that matter, all of their neighbors, to return New Jersey to Pennsylvania. We had hoped, when we decided to give them independence, that a self-governed New jersey would not turn out to be the war-mongering, agressive state it was before we were forced to invade them the first time, when they, for no reason, decided to invade Pennsylvania. The incident in which they mined the Delaware, killing innocent civilians, and Virginians, gave us a preview of what was to come. Despite our hopes, independent New Jersey turned out to be no better than it was before the Great War. Two times they harras our shipping, seeking to undermine our rights. Thanks to the diplomacy of yourselves, they were stopped the first time around, but when they continued their crimes, we had no choice but to invade.
This invasion should never have happened, if not for the agressiveness of New Jersey. We did not wish for it to come to this. Indeed, the price was very large, as we had feared, with over half of our military being destroyed and even our economy suffering, yet it was a necessary step to take. We could not sit by silently while this agressive reigm threatened our sercurity and citizens. But we bare the people of New Jersey no malice. They will be treated with the same equality and fairness they enjoyed when they were last citizens of Pennsylvania. Their leaders will not be harmed, but allowed to retire peacefully, whether to the countryside of New Jersey or even France if they wish. The damage done to New Jersey during the invasion will be repaired by the government, bringing prosperity to the New Jersey people. Indeed, we are afraid that the extensive damage caused to the country during the recent fighting will take quite a while to fix under Pennsylvania, let alone if they were independent. We would be afraid that they could not support themselves if we did happen to give them independence.
As you have seen, France has completely blown the situation out of proportion. They declare war for our invasion of New Jersey, and the fact that we are so called 'communists', while in fact, neither is any reason to invade. Pennsylvania is not communist, really we are not even socialist. The Socialist Party merely happens to be in charge of the government at the moment, because that is the will of the people, as we are sure you understand. Our invasion, as we explained, was in self-defense. We had even offered to repay France for the loans the made to New jersey, but because of their ridiculous attitude towards this subject, sadly they shall not be regaining their money. If they had wished for the return of said loans, they would have done well to act in a manner befitting of this serious situation.
What.
I thought I heard something.
*Smiles*
This is diplomacy for TheLastJacobite, who stil llacks interweb access.
To: Those concerned with the New Jersey Matter
From: Republic of New England
We express our high disapproval of Pennsylvania's actions. We will consider our options in regards to the new situation in the region.
To: Those concerned with the New Jersey Matter
From: Republic of New England
We express our high disapproval of Pennsylvania's actions. We will consider our options in regards to the new situation in the region.
Nestea_Oreo
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I was going to mention Lushenko and then throw in Sauvage for an alt-true history blend, but then I remembered there wasn't any 1917 Russia. Glad you like it tho. Incidentally while remniscing I remember playing as that arctic civ next to the penguins and building the mightiest economic empire with plenty of trade cities and then suiciding purposefully because someone wouldn't let me have Hawaii ^^
(I decided I was too impatient to go for tech... Silversteak said they ganged up on me because they feared me though.) I always enjoyed your NESes. 
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Well I sent my orders, so I hope they will be taken as general directions and a directive for paying back the loan in the future EQ.
I'm 'a leave the building again. It's not that internal populations are harder to manage these days then I thought, its just that I really am too bad at moderating time spent since I tend to hyperfocus and an addictive mind tends to take it out of uni.
Game on and God Bless!
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
OOC: Nestea, "fascism" is not in the political vocabulary of this world. The closest synonym is lisism.
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To: Pennsylvania
From: France
We will allow a peace to be signed if and only if Pennsylvania leaves New Jersey and pays reparations for the damage done.
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To: Pennsylvania
From: France
We will allow a peace to be signed if and only if Pennsylvania leaves New Jersey and pays reparations for the damage done.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
OOC: Then Klannism was Georgian highly-racists Lisism. Just to add my two cents.
Jason The King
Deity
To Pennsylvania
From Virginia
I highly urge you to see reason and to withdraw from New Jersey so that peace talks can commence. Pennsylvania has been a long-time ally and friend of Virginia's, so we are taking time now to warn you and hope you see reason. If Pennsylvania does not withdraw, Virginia and New England will effectively enact an embargo on Pennsylvania until a withdrawal from New Jersey is made.
From Virginia
I highly urge you to see reason and to withdraw from New Jersey so that peace talks can commence. Pennsylvania has been a long-time ally and friend of Virginia's, so we are taking time now to warn you and hope you see reason. If Pennsylvania does not withdraw, Virginia and New England will effectively enact an embargo on Pennsylvania until a withdrawal from New Jersey is made.
Agent 89
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To: Virginia
From: Pennsylvania
We are willing to have peace talks so that a solution may be found. Until a solution that we deem to be reasonable is agreed upon, we can not promise our withdrawl. However, we will not agree to France's terms, and since they insist upon them, we do not see how peace talks can procede. It is unreasonable for Pennsylvania to pay reparations to New Jersey, considering they were the agressors and they have already been defeated. It is them who should be paying reparations, not us. When France is willing to drop these terms, we will be willing to reach some sort of agreement.
From: Pennsylvania
We are willing to have peace talks so that a solution may be found. Until a solution that we deem to be reasonable is agreed upon, we can not promise our withdrawl. However, we will not agree to France's terms, and since they insist upon them, we do not see how peace talks can procede. It is unreasonable for Pennsylvania to pay reparations to New Jersey, considering they were the agressors and they have already been defeated. It is them who should be paying reparations, not us. When France is willing to drop these terms, we will be willing to reach some sort of agreement.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: Virginia
From: France
Pennsylvania seems to believe that force is the appropriate and absolute right in such disagreements as this. If they do not believe they are wrong in what they have done, we will convince them through force of arms if necessary. New Jersey's complete independence and retribution is the absolute minimum of what we will accept.
Agent 89
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To: Virginia
From: Pennsylvania
While we understand your qualms with the Pennsylvanian occupation of New Jersey, Pennsylvania is quite willing to work towards a fair peace agreement. However, the demands of France being quite unreasonable, we do not think such a peace will be possible in the near future. We ask both you and New England to withdraw your embargos against Pennsylvania. We acted out of self-defense, and now France seeks to explode the situation by demanding such unreasonable terms, while Pennsylvania is more than willing to work out a fair peace.
