A Different Moral Question About Abortion

[Arakhor]

Well, if my partner and I had been working on a joint craft exercise, which had cost a lot of time and effort, but whilst I was away, my partner decided that they didn't want it any more and got rid of it secretly, I would be extremely put out, to say the least. Relationships are about trust and sharing experiences (and hard decisions) together.

 

[Borachio]

I don't take that view of course, my views on abortion are well known. But if that's your position, I don't see how the husband's objection should matter.

That's strange that you say that. So there's no real contractual responsibility in a marriage then? The husband and wife are totally free to make their own decisions in regard to absolutely everything?

Are these people in fact married at all?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Fair point morally. Legally I guess the debate would be who has property rights over that craft.

I'm not going any further with this point because I think the idea of assigning property rights to a fetus is about as horrifying as you can get. But I think a pro-choice person would have to argue over whether the fetus belongs to the person carrying it (The woman) or both the man and woman.

My view is "Neither", the fetus owns itself and that's that

 

[warpus]

In my opinion it would be immoral of the wife to have the abortion without having a talk with her husband first, but that fully depends on the talk they would have had about this beforehand. What did they agree on? etc.

 

[galdre]

If that happened to me, I'd probably divorce - that is too big of a decision to make on one's own like that.

 

[Traitorfish]

If my partner did this, I'd be more concerned for their mental and emotional well-being than with throwing a fit because my sense of entitlement has been offended. People don't do this sort of thing on an idle whim.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

My reaction, like all my reactions when dealing with women, would depend on how hot she was.

 

[galdre]

If my partner did this, I'd be more concerned for their mental and emotional well-being than with throwing a fit because my sense of entitlement has been offended. People don't do this sort of thing on an idle whim.

good point, but some people will do this sort of thing on a whim

it is about entitlement, but one I feel a right to: a say in the decision regarding our child. Of course if we both could not come to an agreement on such a decision that would be another issue since neither one of us should not be able to override the other.

 

[Traitorfish]

good point, but some people will do this sort of thing on a whim

Most don't, though, so it's kinda screwed up that we'd just assume it.

it is about entitlement, but one I feel a right to: a say in the decision regarding our child. Of course if we both could not come to an agreement on such a decision that would be another issue since neither one of us should not be able to override the other.

Were you also planning to give birth? That seems like a not totally irrelevant consideration.

 

[galdre]

Most don't, though, so it's kinda screwed up that we'd just assume it.

true, we shouldn't make that assumption

Were you also planning to give birth? That seems like a not totally irrelevant consideration.

I would consider it a joint decision. Like I said one person should not override the other, and we both made the child.

Seems to me that it shouldn't really be an issue; if the two haven't considered the question of abortion before they got married then how well do they know each other? If one changes their mind then it's a question of whether their values are in the same place any more. I would not force my partner to have a child against her will, but I'm not particularly fond of abortion (excepting cases of health concerns or rape) simply because I think we should value all life as much as possible.

 

[Mise]

If my partner did this, I'd be more concerned for their mental and emotional well-being than with throwing a fit because my sense of entitlement has been offended. People don't do this sort of thing on an idle whim.

Very good point.

My reaction, like all my reactions when dealing with women, would depend on how hot she was.

Very good point.

 

[Borachio]

I don't agree with either of those points. Necessarily.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure no fault divorce is legal.

BTW regarding the thread, if I were to assume that the fetus has no right to personhood, and was simply part of the mother's body, I see no logical reason the husband would get a say in that anymore than a woman getting cancer surgery.

I don't take that view of course, my views on abortion are well known. But if that's your position, I don't see how the husband's objection should matter.

I think I should get a say on my wife's breast reduction or breast implant surgery plans. Not a definitive say, mind, but certainly some input. I think that works with your analogy.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Fair point morally. Legally I guess the debate would be who has property rights over that craft.

I'm not going any further with this point because I think the idea of assigning property rights to a fetus is about as horrifying as you can get. But I think a pro-choice person would have to argue over whether the fetus belongs to the person carrying it (The woman) or both the man and woman.

My view is "Neither", the fetus owns itself and that's that

Specifically addressed at Arakhor BTW.

I think I should get a say on my wife's breast reduction or breast implant surgery plans. Not a definitive say, mind, but certainly some input. I think that works with your analogy.

Fair enough, I get what you're going for. I'm not going to debate it because being pro-life, I frankly think its disgusting to discuss whether the mother or the father has the rights to kill the child. I merely wanted to ask a question, I was answered, so farewell.

I'm going to start (metaphorically) nauseating at this thread now.

 

[kochman]

In the interest of this scenario, abortion is legal and will always be legal. Drop that argument at the door.​

Interestingly, that's the reality of the situation anyhow.

One night, a husband and wife have unprotected sex. The wife gets pregnant and is is perfectly healthy. The couple is excited for their first child, and 2 months later the Husband is away on a week long business trip.

Now, on her own, the wife starts doubting her desire to raise a child, and while her husband is away she gets a quick abortion, without consulting him. Her reasoning being that it's her body, she can do what she likes with it.

The Husband gets back, and finds out the wife had an abortion without consulting him, he really wanted a child. He's very mad, saying it was 50% his child too, and that she had no right to abort it, at least without consulting him.

Is the wife in right or the wrong here?​

Arwon nailed it on the head... you should consult your partner on any major decision.

Otherwise it could become a scene out of Godfather II...

 

[bhsup]

I would divorce her instantly. She just murdered my child, after all. I really have no legal recourse beyond divorce.