A question to Communists:

[bathsheba666]

For one thing, however, you seem to assume that all "poor" people are miserable. I know plenty that are quite happy with their standing in life. There are also plenty of rich people who are hopelessly miserable for whatever reason.

Interesting conjunction of poor and parenthesis.
Are we to take it that you feel that there are no poor?
or that this word is ripe for redefining in our earthly paradise?
or simply that if allowed to define a new subset, however small, you can qualify the problem away.
Or is it just a case of listen to those cotton-pickin slaves sing, lord knows they must be happy.

Economic standing has no bearing on the happiness of the person,

That's a bit like saying that Everest has no bearing on the route taken by someone wanting to walk from Nepal to Tibet.

to be quite honest.

It's all up to them.

That sounds honest.

Am I supposed to be a pathetic little sack of heart hemorrhage because I have more material wealth than other people? Absolutely not. No use in such behavior, other than to please the leftist guilt peddlers.

Contrived options, and another failure of insight into what might give others pleasure.

 

[Tee Kay]

When Communists look around and see the great that Capitalism has done, how can't they support it? Yes, there is poverty, but that is an unfortunate part of life. With all of the great things we have here and all of the people in America making more money than anyone else in the world and having enough to buy food and luxuries, how can they still not support it.

First, I'm not a communist, though I'm what you'd call "leftist". Second, I like capitalism in general, though it's just that some aspects of capitalism I don't like: lack of individual/corporate responsibility, sweatshops, dominance of the West, rampant poverty, greed, ecologically-destructive consumerism. But if you ask me if I would prefer capitalism or communism, I would say capitalism, cause even though communism sounds so much better in theory, it just doesn't work well in real life, at least not in its current forms anyway. But capitalism doesn't work as it does in theory either. The rich gets richer, the poor rots in slums, and other things just falls apart. (maybe if you live in First world countries you don't see this much, but I have seen third world poverty first hand). As you may notice me say on these forums, you can't have too much of a good thing. A middle way between capitalism and communism would work best.

 

[Communisto]

I know I am going to start a ten page debate, a flurry of angry members, a few moderaters constantly watching me, when i don't really feel up to any of it, but I really need to ask:

When Communists look around and see the great that Capitalism has done, how can't they support it? Yes, there is poverty, but that is an unfortunate part of life. With all of the great things we have here and all of the people in America making more money than anyone else in the world and having enough to buy food and luxuries, how can they still not support it.

Thank you for letting me know.

Making this clear, im NOT a communist.

Yeah, Capitalism has done GREAT... if you live in North America or Europe. Otherwise youre pretty much boned.

The fact is that Capitalism is about exploitation, getting the most while giving as little as possible, and I don't agree with that.

 

[LordRahl]

Making this clear, im NOT a communist.

Yeah, Capitalism has done GREAT... if you live in North America or Europe. Otherwise youre pretty much boned.

The fact is that Capitalism is about exploitation, getting the most while giving as little as possible, and I don't agree with that.

How do you explain Hong Kong then? Or South Korea? Or Taiwan? Or Chile after they got rid of commies?

 

[Atlas14]

Communism = awesome
Capitalism = ruthless corporate sellouts that rape and pillage the third world countries and exploit their natural resources while turning their children and women into wage slaves

 

[MayNilad Man]

How do you explain Hong Kong then? Or South Korea? Or Taiwan? Or Chile after they got rid of commies?

How about the Philippines, who has been mostly capitalist ever since you Americans left us after the Second World War? We are still poor.

 

[LordRahl]

How about the Philippines, who has been mostly capitalist ever since you Americans left us after the Second World War? We are still poor.

Don't know about your implementation, but I can say you'd be 10 times as poor under communism - just look at North Korea...

 

[amaterasu]

How do you explain Hong Kong then? Or South Korea? Or Taiwan? Or Chile after they got rid of commies?

You mean the hong kong which bebenfitted from being the base of british trade in china more then an amazing capitalist system?

Or the chile where politcal opponents also got killed?

And north korea was going better then south korea until kin jong-il took over it and then there were a bunch of floods ect.ect. and he enacted the juche doctrine?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

Notice how it's the rich that support capitalism loudest?

Funny that...

 

[Godwynn]

Notice how it's the rich that support capitalism loudest?

Funny that...

You resurrected this thread to say that?

Who are these rich that you are talking about? People on the forums?

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

You resurrected this thread to say that?

Who are these rich that you are talking about? People on the forums?

Yeah, sorry about that, didn't realise how old it was. Got it in a link.

Yes, people on the forums. They have access to a computer/Internet therefore would be considered rich by most of the world's population.

 

[Godwynn]

Yeah, sorry about that, didn't realise how old it was. Got it in a link.

Yes, people on the forums. They have access to a computer/Internet therefore would be considered rich by most of the world's population.

How would we know if the poor don't support capitalism loudly? They can't tell us since they don't have access to a computer/Internet!

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

How would we know if the poor don't support capitalism loudly? They can't tell us since they don't have access to a computer/Internet!

I'm sure they appreciate being kept starving for the sake of a political system that says that it's right.

 

[Godwynn]

I'm sure they appreciate being kept starving for the sake of a political system that says that it's right.

This is what I love. How is capitalism keeping them from eating? The USSR had much longer bread lines than the United States did.

Perhaps we should see who is hungrier, the average North Korean or the average American.

 

[carmen510]

Because socialism gave way to unions, which helped workers get better wages from some of the worst abuse from corporations. Socialism also has given public education and healthcare, as well as a minimum wage, etc.

 

[Godwynn]

Because socialism gave way to unions, which helped workers get better wages from some of the worst abuse from corporations. Socialism also has given public education and healthcare, as well as a minimum wage, etc.

Government Intervention != Socialism

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

This is what I love. How is capitalism keeping them from eating? The USSR had much longer bread lines than the United States did.

Perhaps we should see who is hungrier, the average North Korean or the average American.

Where does the cheap food come from? I'm sure it's not from workers in foreign countries working in terrible conditions to save money for the corporations.

The USSR was a dictatorship calling itself Communist. Maybe it even started out Communist, but it certanly wasn't for most of it's life.

 

[Godwynn]

Where does the cheap food come from? I'm sure it's not from workers in foreign countries working in terrible conditions to save money for the corporations.

The United States exports agriculture products.

Thanks for playing.

The USSR was a dictatorship calling itself Communist. Maybe it even started out Communist, but it certanly wasn't for most of it's life.

Ah, so it's only communism if it works perfectly. Anything else, even if something goes slightly wrong, its not communist. A poser of sorts.

 

[Talkie_Toaster]

It's a proven fact that most goods come from the poor countries, that's just an irrelevant detail.

Let me apply your logic on the USSR to capitalism.

"Oh, Pinochet took democracy from Chile, he was a capitalist. Therefore, the entire philosophy *must* be evil."

 

[mdwh]

Yeah, sorry about that, didn't realise how old it was. Got it in a link.

Yes, people on the forums. They have access to a computer/Internet therefore would be considered rich by most of the world's population.

You might equally claim that "Notice how it's the rich that support communism the loudest".

I'm not sure it's accurate to look at it on a world scale - unless you're suggesting a single world Government.

If rich countries prefer to be capitalist, and poor countries prefer to be communist, I'm not sure how that says anything bad about capitalism.

Now if we look on the scale of a single rich country, having an Internet connection is hardly the domain of the rich - only the very poor will be without. So at best your claim is that the poor end of society will be less likely to support capitalism and more likely to support communism - perhaps that's true, but it's an assertion without evidence.