[RD] Abortion, once again

[Arwon]

That a medically safe abortion still does not validate what is going on.

What does this mean

 

[TheMeInTeam]

probably trying to assert the abortion at that stage is already wrong, though most here won't agree for various reasons

 

[Samson]

probably trying to assert the abortion at that stage is already wrong, though most here won't agree for various reasons

What stage? We are talking about the drug, and the drug has multiple indications beyond abortion anyway.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

What stage? We are talking about the drug, and the drug has multiple indications beyond abortion anyway.

probably per the lawsuit given prior discussion?

i am absolutely against what texas is doing for multiple reasons (including basic hypocrisy and false attribution of cause), and i don't agree with the notion of legal personhood in early term pregnancy for reasons i went into earlier in the thread. i'll leave it to the poster to make own case.

 

[Samson]

probably per the lawsuit given prior discussion?

i am absolutely against what texas is doing for multiple reasons (including basic hypocrisy and false attribution of cause), and i don't agree with the notion of legal personhood in early term pregnancy for reasons i went into earlier in the thread. i'll leave it to the poster to make own case.

The lawsuit is about the FDA approval of the drug, not any particular use of it. But of course this is not really your question to answer.

 

[9gkj548hkm20vk79dj689bnj4]

What does this mean

Article in question makes the point that the drug is safe for women despite what the lawsuit says. I thought it odd to say this, considering the drug is basically poison for the fetus anyway. [others of course will disagree.]
so the safety concern is just a red herring for me anyway.
Not really here to defend the lawsuit one way or the other, as a lot of the more medical stuff I don't know much about; I haven't read much of it*

*I think this is the one:

U.S. Food and Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine

By eliminating necessary safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo the dangerous mifepristone abortion drug regimen, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration failed to abide by its legal obligations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of girls and women.

adflegal.org

 

[TheMeInTeam]

oh. if the drug is less safe than advertised to the extent of factual misrepresentation, there would be a case for sure. big if, but that would do it

 

[Lexicus]

*I think this is the one:

U.S. Food and Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine

By eliminating necessary safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo the dangerous mifepristone abortion drug regimen, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration failed to abide by its legal obligations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of girls and women.

adflegal.org

Yeah this is utter deranged nonsense

 

[Arwon]

Article in question makes the point that the drug is safe for women despite what the lawsuit says. I thought it odd to say this, considering the drug is basically poison for the fetus anyway. [others of course will disagree.]
so the safety concern is just a red herring for me anyway.
Not really here to defend the lawsuit one way or the other, as a lot of the more medical stuff I don't know much about; I haven't read much of it*

*I think this is the one:

U.S. Food and Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine

By eliminating necessary safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo the dangerous mifepristone abortion drug regimen, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration failed to abide by its legal obligations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of girls and women.

adflegal.org

This is very stupid lol

 

[Samson]

Article in question makes the point that the drug is safe for women despite what the lawsuit says. I thought it odd to say this, considering the drug is basically poison for the fetus anyway. [others of course will disagree.]

Mifepristone does not directly affect the foetus at all, it blocks the hormone receptors of the mother.

so the safety concern is just a red herring for me anyway.
Not really here to defend the lawsuit one way or the other, as a lot of the more medical stuff I don't know much about; I haven't read much of it*

*I think this is the one:

U.S. Food and Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine

By eliminating necessary safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo the dangerous mifepristone abortion drug regimen, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration failed to abide by its legal obligations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of girls and women.

adflegal.org

I wonder if they have ever read the hippocratic oath. It is not very compatible with Christianity for a start, or modern ideas of nepotism.

 

[Farm Boy]

Mifepristone does not directly affect the foetus at all, it blocks the hormone receptors of the mother.

Everything else aside,

Spoiler and I mean everything :

 

[Broken_Erika]

Mifepristone: US judge halts approval for abortion pill​

A Texas judge has revoked the longstanding approval for the widely used abortion drug mifepristone.
The pill has been authorised for over 20 years, and is used in more than half of US pregnancy terminations.
In a 67-page opinion, Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, suspended his own ruling for seven days to allow the government time to appeal.
His decision could limit access to the drug for millions of women.

A lawsuit filed by an anti-abortion group in Texas, the Alliance Defending Freedom, argued that the drug's safety was never properly studied.

In his ruling, Judge Kacsmaryk said the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval of the drug back in 2000 had violated federal rules that allow for accelerated approval of certain drugs.

The FDA spent four years reviewing mifepristone before it was approved in 2000.
The decision could further restrict access to abortion nationwide since the US Supreme Court removed constitutional protections for the procedure last year, triggering a wave of state-by-state bans.
Legal analysts said the ruling threatened to upend the entire foundation of America's drug regulatory system.

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Mifepristone, part of a two-drug regimen that induces abortions, effectively stops the pregnancy, while the second drug, misoprostol, empties the uterus.
It was first approved for the termination of pregnancy up until seven weeks gestation.
In 2016, its approved use was extended to 10 weeks of pregnancy.

Mifepristone is also used to treat women who have suffered miscarriages and Cushing syndrome, a hormone-related condition.
The FDA, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynaecologists (ACOG) and other mainstream medical organisations say both mifepristone and misoprostol are safe for use.
The FDA has reported a total of 26 deaths associated with the drug since it was approved - a rate of about 0.65 deaths per 100,000 by-pill abortions.
For comparison, the death rate associated with habitual aspirin use is about 15.3 deaths per 100,000 aspirin users.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65217437

 

[Arwon]

What a completely insane system that one idiot can do that.

To be clear, it's been in use for decades, longer in many countries than in the US. America is spiralling away from anything we can consider normal.

 

[Remorseless1]

Ah, but in Trump World, this drug was just invented and must be properly researched by the same team that did the final audit on Arizona ballots because you can't trust science.

 

[Birdjaguar]

And a Washington State judge ruled today that the drug was safe.

April 7, 2023 - Texas judge suspends approval of medication abortion pill

The Justice Department and Danco, a manufacturer of mifepristone, filed notices of appeal to the US 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

www.cnn.com

 

[Remorseless1]

The Texas ruling is amazing in its dismissal of evidence and process. The plaintiffs presented conjecture and hyperbole. Of course,it's Texas. No one should be surprised.

 

[Lexicus]

The Texas ruling is amazing in its dismissal of evidence and process. The plaintiffs presented conjecture and hyperbole. Of course,it's Texas. No one should be surprised.

The judge was appointed by the orang man.

 

[EgonSpengler]

The judge was appointed by the orang man.

Indeed. In addition to 3 Supreme Court Justices, Trump appointed 234 federal judges, including 54 judges of Federal Courts of Appeals, at the direction of whoever had his ear.

The damage wrought by the Trump Presidency may have only begun, and will probably continue for the remainder of my life (as with the Supreme Court, federal judges receive lifetime appointments). The next time you meet a Left-leaning or centrist person who says they don't vote, slap them. Hard.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Kasmaryk is a member of the Federalist Society and before becoming a judge was deputy general counsel for "First Liberty Institute", a Christian conservative pressure group.
Can you imagine the outcry from Republicans if the Democrats tried to nominate similarly extremist partisan judges?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The Texas ruling is amazing in its dismissal of evidence and process. The plaintiffs presented conjecture and hyperbole. Of course,it's Texas. No one should be surprised.

sounds exactly like ny and dc courts, though of course no complaints then. concluding these are meaningfully better than each other in terms of process seems biased to me. just depends which way one is biased.