Ahmadinejad: Not Crazy?

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Do We Have Ahmadinejad All Wrong?

By
Reza Aslan
Jan 13 2011, 7:30 AM ET
Is it possible that Iran's blustering president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, long thought to be a leading force behind some of Iran's most hard-line and repressive policies, is actually a reformer whose attempts to liberalize, secularize, and even "Persianize" Iran have been repeatedly stymied by the country's more conservative factions? That is the surprising impression one gets reading the latest WikiLeaks revelations, which portray Ahmadinejad as open to making concessions on Iran's nuclear program and far more accommodating to Iranians' demands for greater freedoms than anyone would have thought. Two episodes in particular deserve special scrutiny not only for what they reveal about Ahmadinejad but for the light they shed on the question of who really calls the shots in Iran.

In October 2009, Ahamdinejad's chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, worked out a compromise with world power representatives in Geneva on Iran's controversial nuclear program. But the deal, in which Iran agreed to ship nearly its entire stockpile of low enriched uranium to Russia and France for processing, collapsed when it failed to garner enough support in Iran's parliament, the Majles.

According to a U.S. diplomatic cable recently published by WikiLeaks, Ahmadinejad, despite all of his tough talk and heated speeches about Iran's right to a nuclear program, fervently supported the Geneva arrangement, which would have left Iran without enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon. But, inside the often opaque Tehran government, he was thwarted from pursuing the deal by politicians on both the right and the left who saw the agreement as a "defeat" for the country and who viewed Ahmadinejad as, in the words of Ali Larijani, the conservative Speaker of the Majles, "fooled by the Westerners."

Despite the opposition from all sides, Ahmadinajed, we have learned, continued to tout the nuclear deal as a positive and necessary step for Iran. In February 2010, he reiterated his support for the Geneva agreement saying, "If we allow them to take [Iran's enriched uranium for processing], there is no problem." By June, long after all parties in the Geneva agreement had given up on the negotiations and the Iranian government had publicly taken a much firmer line on its nuclear program, Ahmadinejad was still trying to revive the deal. "The Tehran declaration is still alive and can play a role in international relations even if the arrogant (Western) powers are upset and angry," he declared. Even as late as September, Ahmadinejad was still promising that "there is a good chance that talks will resume in the near future," despite statements to the contrary from Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.

The second revelation from WikiLeaks is even more remarkable. Apparently, during a heated 2009 security meeting at the height of the popular demonstrations roiling Iran in the wake of his disputed reelection, Ahmadinejad suggested that perhaps the best way to deal with the protesters would be to open up more personal and social freedoms, including more freedom of the press. While the suggestion itself seems extraordinary, coming as it does from a man widely viewed by the outside world as the instigating force behind Iran's turn toward greater repression, what is truly amazing about this story is the response of the military brass in the room. According to WikiLeaks, the Revolutionary Guard's Chief of Staff, Mohammed Ali Jafari, slapped Ahmadinejad across the face right in the middle of the meeting, shouting, "You are wrong! It is you who created this mess! And now you say give more freedom to the press?"

Taken together, these revelations paint a picture of Iran's president as a man whose domestic and foreign policy decisions - whether with regard to his views on women's rights or his emphasis on Iran's Persian heritage - are at odds not only with his image in the West but with the views and opinions of the conservative establishment in Iran.

Take, for example, Ahmadinejad's comments in June 2010, when he publicly condemned the harassing of young women for "improperly" covering themselves, a common complaint among Iranians. "The government has nothing to do with [women's hijab] and doesn't interfere in it. We consider it insulting when a man and a woman are walking in the streets and they're asked about their relationship. No one has the right to ask about it." Ahmadinejad even criticized "the humiliating high-profile [morality] police crackdown already underway," and recommended launching what he called a "cultural campaign" against "interpretations of Islamic dress that have been deemed improper by authorities."

In response to those rather enlightened statements, the head of the clerical establishment in the Majles, Mohammad Taghi Rahbar, lambasted Ahamdinejad. "Those who voted for you were the fully veiled people," Rahbar said. "The badly veiled 'greens' did not vote for you, so you'd better consider that what pleases God is not pleasing a number of corrupt people." The ultra-conservative head of the Guardian Council, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, also weighed in on Ahmadinejad's criticism of the morality police. "Drug traffickers are hanged, terrorists are executed and robbers are punished for their crimes, but when it comes to the law of God, which is above human rights, [some individuals] stay put and speak about cultural programs."

Ayatollah Jannati's comments reflect the growing rift between the president and the country's religious establishment, perhaps best exemplified by Ahamdinejad's unprecedented decision to stop attending meetings of the Expediency Council, whose members represent the interests of Iran's clerical elite. Ahamdinejad later questioned the very concept of clerical rule in Iran, raising controversy in Tehran and drawing the ire of the powerful religious establishment. "Administering the country should not be left to the [Supreme] Leader, the religious scholars, and other [clerics]," Ahmadinejad declared, lampooning his religious rivals for "running to Qum [the religious capital of Iran] for every instruction."

Ahmadinejad's brazen opinions were echoed by his closest adviser and chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei. "An Islamic government is not capable of running a vast and populous country like Iran," Mashaei said. "Running a country is like a horse race, but the problem is that [the clergy] are not horse racers."

Bear in mind that advancing such anti-regime, anti-clerical views can be considered a criminal offense in Iran, one potentially punishable by death. And yet, they seem to be part of a larger push by Ahmadinejad and his circle to change the nature of the Islamic Republic. Indeed, Ahmadinejad seems to be actively pursuing what Meshaei has termed "an Iranian school of thought rather than the Islamic school of thought" for Iran, one that harkens back to Iran's ancient Persian heritage, drawing particular inspiration from Iran's ancient king, Cyrus the Great.

While many Iranians - particularly among the supporters of Ahmadinejad's 2009 presidential rival, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who frequently used ancient Persian imagery during the campaign - share precisely the same view, the country's conservatives and the religious establishment most definitely do not. "The president should be aware that he is obligated to promote Islam and not ancient Iran," cried one member of Parliament, "and if he fails to fulfill his obligation, he will lose the support and trust of the Muslim nation of Iran."

Even Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, criticized the notion of emphasizing Iran's Persian past, condemning those who support such a view as being "not our comrades; we have no permanent friendship to anyone, but to those who are following Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi said. "Did Imam Khomeini ever refrain from mentioning Islam in a speech and say Iran instead?"

It might seem shocking to both casual and dedicated Iran-watcher that the bombastic Ahmadinejad could, behind Tehran's closed doors, be playing the reformer. After all, this was the man who, in 2005, generated wide outrage in the West for suggesting that Israel should be "wiped from the map." But even that case said as much about our limited understanding of him and his context as it did about Ahmadinejad himself. The expression "wipe from the map" means "destroy" in English but not in Farsi. In Farsi, it means not that Israel should be eliminated but that the existing political borders should literally be wiped from a literal map and replaced with those of historic Palestine. That's still not something likely to win him cheers in U.S. policy circles, but the distinction, which has been largely lost from the West's understanding of the Iranian president, is important.

As always, both Ahmadinejad the man and the Iranian government he ostensibly leads resist easy characterization. The truth is that the opaque nature of Iran's government and the country's deeply fractured political system make it difficult to draw any clear or simple conclusions. It's not obvious whether Ahmadinejad is driven by a legitimate desire for reform or just tactical political interests. But if you oppose the Mullahs' rule, yearn for greater social and political freedoms for the Iranian people, and envision an Iran that draws inspiration from the glories of its Persian past, then, believe it or not, you have more in common with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than you might have thought.

Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images.


QUESTIONS CLASS:

1. Does this change your opinion of Mr. Imadinnerjacket at all?
2. Is this a sign of weaselly incompetent flip flopping for political gain or an intelligent manipulating of powers outside and within Iran so that he can further his own agenda?
3. Would a "Persian" Iran be better than an "Islamic" Iran? What does that really entail in your opinion?
4. Is this information overall a detriment or a positive development for Ahmadinejad?
 
Ahamdinejad later questioned the very concept of clerical rule in Iran, raising controversy in Tehran and drawing the ire of the powerful religious establishment.
Why on earth is he still President? :crazyeye:
 
1. Well seeing that he's in conflict with the state there does pose some interesting questions. I don't know enough about him to say that I support him now, but this does earn him some respect from me. Especially the response of his to the protests.

2. That's part of my reluctance to throw my support to him. Whatever reasons he comes to those conclusions though, many are the right ones though.

3. A Persian Iran would probably focus more on their national history than religious. Yes, I think that is good, because I support secularism.

4. Positive outside Iran, and in some circles in Iran. Probably not too much of a detriment to the inner circle of Iran though, since the conservatives there obviously know his sway already.
 
fyi, Iran is more than persians
 
How much does Islam actually keep the Balochs, Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, Mazandaranis, Turkmens and anyone else I am forgetting united? Most of these groups are fairly unhappy being part of the Iranian state already, so I am not sure what would happen if Tehran played up Persian nationalism even more.
 
Just from the article, it would seem not so much that Ahmadinejad is a great reformer, but that he is attempting to weaken the power of the religious authorities, to strengthen his own.
 
I have my doubts about the validity of this information. Can we really trust someone who has sexually assaulted people? He loves embarrassing countries, yet he releases information that shows that a leader who denies the Holocaust and wants to erase Israel off the face of the earth is actually a nice guy? Meh.

1. He's still crazy.
2. Either it's just political gain or it isn't true all together.
3. Persianize sounds nice, - it was tolerant of the Israelites, released them from bondage, and actually helped rebuild the temple - but I have my doubts about what he considers Persianization.
4. Sounds positive, but I still doubt the validity of this.
 
Considering that he's really just a powerless figurehead, I've occasionally thought that his craziness was just that he was one of the world's leading trolls rather than a genuine lunatic.
 
QUESTIONS CLASS:

1. Does this change your opinion of Mr. Imadinnerjacket at all?

No, because I don't bother to have an opinion. The President of Iran has no real power beyond what he is allowed by the Supreme Leader and the clerical assembly that truly runs Iran. He could be the wisest statesman that ever lived, and it wouldn't matter.

2. Is this a sign of weaselly incompetent flip flopping for political gain or an intelligent manipulating of powers outside and within Iran so that he can further his own agenda?

There's no intelligence at work here by Ahmadinejad because he is not the one planning anything. He's nothing more than a convenient delegate of the Iranian theocracy, who occasionally throw him a bone to make him feel important. For all we know, he may not even be the legitimate president of Iran, as recent events suggest.

3. Would a "Persian" Iran be better than an "Islamic" Iran? What does that really entail in your opinion?

They entail nothing because they're just slogan words.

4. Is this information overall a detriment or a positive development for Ahmadinejad?

Neither. They are US diplomatic cables about a third party, which is as good as rumor for information.
 
The United States has a bad habit of interpreting percieved opponents as evil or irredemably lunatic. Sometimes this is more inaccurate than others.
 
I wanted to vote NO :(
I always was highly skeptical about the picture of Ahmadinejad conveyed in Western media and never believed him to be crazy. The content of those wikileaks greatly took me by surprise nevertheless. Very interesting and even though I have no trouble to believe it (which is to believe that public image over here and actual doing are two quit independent things), it is of such a disparity to what has been said about Ahmadinejad so far that I'll stay cautious for now.
 
What's funnier is the idea of him getting slapped in the face by the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionary Guards.

Until it becomes black comedy when you realize that a small branch of the Iranian military has enough influence that its senior members can slap the democratically elected president.
 
No, because I don't bother to have an opinion. The President of Iran has no real power beyond what he is allowed by the Supreme Leader and the clerical assembly that truly runs Iran. He could be the wisest statesman that ever lived, and it wouldn't matter.

well this was true 10 years ago but right now it is sepah who truly runs iran and they support ahmadinejad so right now he has more power then supreme leader and the clerical assembly.


btw only around 60% of iranians are persians so i dont think a persian iran is a good idea
 
What's funnier is the idea of him getting slapped in the face by the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionary Guards.

True, and i don't doubt that it will happen, but somehow I doubt that it will make it to youtube.

:(

Calling Ahmadi democratically elected is pushing it.
 
He's a populist. Should tell us plenty already in itself.

Why US political discourse apprently often needs to assume political adversaries to be lunatics is a different kind of pathology, as Arwon already pointed out.
 
No, because I don't bother to have an opinion. The President of Iran has no real power beyond what he is allowed by the Supreme Leader and the clerical assembly that truly runs Iran. He could be the wisest statesman that ever lived, and it wouldn't matter.

The Iranian people sure seem to think he matters.

They entail nothing because they're just slogan words.

You honestly think that an Iran ran under the slogan of "PERSIA ROCKS!!" is not going to be ANY different? An Iran run by people like Ahmadinejad and his coterie is exactly the same as one run by religious clerics?
 
"Not crazy, but number one among crazies!" :)
 
A couple things, Ahmadinejad is not currently nor has he ever been crazy. He is perfectly sane he is just a conservative figure among the Iranian establishment drawing most of his support from rural areas and the poor, as well as from the hardliners. In addition to that the President has proved important enough in the past with reformist figures like Khatami and Rafsanjani causing enough worry for the hardliners to force them out of power, and to take the fairly unprecedented step in 2009 of openly coming out in support of Ahmadinjead with the vote scarcely counted because they were terrified of Mosavi becoming president. Wether there was actually fraud is another matter, some say there was, some say there. Since then the Supreme Leader's position as being a man above politics has been greatly sullied and some of the aura has been lost. What that means for the future is anyone's guess but for now the green movement has been suppressed but the Iranian students are people we should be watching as hotbeds of activism that puts our students to shame.
 
Dude, he's just a pawn of the supreme leader, who in turn must always be wary of the council that appoints and removes supreme leaders, who in turn are just insignificant expendibles to the great prophet Mohammed, who is nothing more than a afterthought to the almighty Allah.
 
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