Alan Dershowitz on MSNBC

[Lexicus]

Obstruction of Justice is not below the standard for impeachment. Mueller is the one investigating - not Rosenstein or Strzok. Dershowitz has no idea what Mueller has, so he is just rattling off his presumptions of what the investigation has found and his opinion should be looked at in light of that lack of knowledge.

It doesn't matter anyway. Impeachment is not a matter of law but of politics. If Congress votes to impeach and convict the President, he is impeached and convicted regardless of whether he broke any laws.

Also Alan Dershowitz is a supporter of war crimes, murder, and apartheid so for him to pretend to be invested in liberal principles is funny.

 

[JollyRoger]

Mueller is not much more than a year into this . . . he apparently has enough to look into to farm off parts of the investigation (like Cohen). Trump likely won't be impeached or removed, but given what Rudy has blathered about, Don Jr. may get indicted.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Mueller is not much more than a year into this . . . he apparently has enough to look into to farm off parts of the investigation (like Cohen). Trump likely won't be impeached or removed, but given what Rudy has blathered about, Don Jr. may get indicted.

But Tray "Two year Benghazi" Gowdy says its taking too long and hasnt produced any indictments
Also its making the subject of the investigation look bad.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Russians that did not have an impact on anything

Nice pre-emptive goal-post moving: he did collude but it didn't impact anything. But you don't want to take this burden of proof on yourself. You want to shift it to the other side.

 

[Berzerker]

It doesn't matter anyway. Impeachment is not a matter of law but of politics. If Congress votes to impeach and convict the President, he is impeached and convicted regardless of whether he broke any laws.

Also Alan Dershowitz is a supporter of war crimes, murder, and apartheid so for him to pretend to be invested in liberal principles is funny.

we cant all be perfect

 

[FriendlyFire]

Nice pre-emptive goal-post moving: he did collude but it didn't impact anything. But you don't want to take this burden of proof on yourself. You want to shift it to the other side.

J guarantees that Mueller wont find any more witches

 

[onejayhawk]

J guarantees that Mueller wont find any more witches

What do you mean more? We are still waiting for the first one.

What we have is Paul Manafort from before he and Trump crossed paths. Stirring.

J

 

[FriendlyFire]

What do you mean more? We are still waiting for the first one.
What we have is Paul Manafort from before he and Trump crossed paths. Stirring.J

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Youd think defauding 16 Mil from a Bank for Veterans in 2017 in exhange for a Trump administration position would make Republicans angry but I guess in Trumpland Mueller is the real criminal.

Maybe Just Maybe check in with the MSN once in a while.

 

[Berzerker]

What do you mean more? We are still waiting for the first one.

What we have is Paul Manafort from before he and Trump crossed paths. Stirring.

J

And Flynn got in trouble for a bribe from Turkey or something... The witches aren't getting nailed for 'collusion', they're getting into trouble for lying to the FBI or personal activities

 

[onejayhawk]

And Flynn got in trouble for a bribe from Turkey or something... The witches aren't getting nailed for 'collusion', they're getting into trouble for lying to the FBI or personal activities

I thought it might be something like that. Pfft and puff with a side of spleeeee.

J

 

[Lexicus]

we cant all be perfect

I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean. I don't think it requires "perfection" to not be a big fat hypocrite. Dershowitz should also just admit that he likes and supports Trump instead of pretending he doesn't want Trump impeached because of "civil liberties"

 

[Berzerker]

I thought it might be something like that. Pfft and puff with a side of spleeeee.

J

What Flynn did was despicable - took money from the Turks and started agitating for the return of a Turkish dissident who has sanctuary here in the US - but its unrelated to the email hack. That appears to be the problem with the "Mueller indicted all these people" argument, how many Trumpet's were indicted for the actual 'crime' of receiving Russia's help in the election?

I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean. I don't think it requires "perfection" to not be a big fat hypocrite. Dershowitz should also just admit that he likes and supports Trump instead of pretending he doesn't want Trump impeached because of "civil liberties"

It was a joke... Yes, Israel is Dershowitz' sin. He didn't say it was about civil liberties (well, maybe he did) but a stretching of laws to facilitate political vendettas. Now of course civil liberties are involved, but I'm sympathetic to his argument even if he's an imperfect messenger.

 

[Lexicus]

He didn't say it was about civil liberties (well, maybe he did)

I quote your OP

Dershowitz said this isn't about Trump, its about civil liberties

I'm sympathetic to his argument even if he's an imperfect messenger.

Dershowitz' argument itself is grade-A bovine fecal matter, but the fact that it's him making the argument makes it even more obvious and funny.

 

[Lexicus]

My understanding of 'high crimes and misdemeanours' from listening to Noah Feldman is that a) a 'high crime and misdemeanour' is not necessarily a crime, and b) a crime is not necessarily a 'high crime and misdemeanour'. It's about activities which constitute an abuse of office, so e.g. money laundering committed 10 years ago would not be an impeachable offence, because it has nothing to do with abuse of office.

High crimes and misdemeanors is a basically meaningless phrase. They are whatever Congress decides they are.

If Congress decided to impeach and convict the President for wearing an ill-fitting suit, they can do that. There is no Constitutional mechanism to prevent it.

 

[Berzerker]

Dershowitz' argument itself is grade-A bovine fecal matter

Why? He's basically making the same argument Democrats made about the impeachment of Bill Clinton - a special counsel starts off to investigate an accusation and it ends up with his impeachment over oral sex. Well, he lied under oath but how we got to that point was stretching the accordion.

 

[Lexicus]

Why?

I've already explained why.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I thought it might be something like that. Pfft and puff with a side of spleeeee.J

That Right J Flynn got a massively reduced charges in exchange for nothing.

 

[onejayhawk]

What Flynn did was despicable - took money from the Turks and started agitating for the return of a Turkish dissident who has sanctuary here in the US - but its unrelated to the email hack. That appears to be the problem with the "Mueller indicted all these people" argument, how many Trumpet's were indicted for the actual 'crime' of receiving Russia's help in the election?

I am not defending Flynn. He did what he did and it is no justification to say that many others did the same. However, what it has to do with Russia is a mystery.

High crimes and misdemeanors is a basically meaningless phrase. They are whatever Congress decides they are. If Congress decided to impeach and convict the President for wearing an ill-fitting suit, they can do that. There is no Constitutional mechanism to prevent it.

Meaningless is untrue because the words exist in a context. A President cannot be brought to normal trial while in office. Impeachment ensures there is a way to bring the President within reach of the courts.

J

 

[Berzerker]

I've already explained why.

all you did was call him a hypocrite

 

[Lexicus]

Meaningless is untrue because the words exist in a context. A President cannot be brought to normal trial while in office. Impeachment ensures there is a way to bring the President within reach of the courts.

You're only taking this position because you like the President. You supported the blowjob impeachment, so obviously you agree with me when the President is a Democrat. But sadly what I'm saying is true regardless of the party of the President.