ALC Game 22: Arabs/Saladin

Ouch! Too true. If the next start contains a gold mine, I'm keepin' that sucker.

I thought this game was to show if you could mover up to Immortal.
 
I thought the game was to show how to use Saladin's traits, UU, and UB. Moving up is a secondary consideration.
 
Excellent!! Does that mean Saladin goes after an early religion again in act II?
No, as I mentioned above, I think a better tactic would be to exploit the Great Prophet-generating capabilities of the Madrassa. I could then use a GP to lightbulb one of the later religion techs.

Maybe I could exploit the starting Mysticism tech by chopping Stonehenge to get the first Great Prophet to show up even sooner. And to forgo wasting hammers and build turns on monuments. I haven't built Stonehenge in an ALC game in a long time.
 
No, as I mentioned above, I think a better tactic would be to exploit the Great Prophet-generating capabilities of the Madrassa. I could then use a GP to lightbulb one of the later religion techs.

Maybe I could exploit the starting Mysticism tech by chopping Stonehenge to get the first Great Prophet to show up even sooner. And to forgo wasting hammers and build turns on monuments. I haven't built Stonehenge in an ALC game in a long time.

Sounds like a plan. I still think if you have commerce producing tiles at the start like floodplains that early religion is the way toy go. Good luck!!!
 
I think it will be my first contribution to an (future) ALC, so take my advice with a pinch of salt :P

Since you have high great-prophet production abilities, why not get one fast to settle him? +5gold in the beginning ca be quite brutal to allow you to REX without crashing your economy too much
Of course, +6 beakers of a great scientists is nothing to sneeze at either, but, allowing you to raise the slider, the gold can be better to get advantage of the +25% ability of libraries. And 2 production is better than 1. And, well, we want great prophet, don't we? :D
 
.. how many pages can people post in an ALC thread without an update game round? Stay tooned to see!
 
Real arabs capture holy cities rather than found them :-)

[PS no offense meant, refering to capture of mecca and later of jerusalem]
 
[outside ALC rant]Arabs =/= Maometans vanatteveldt Even Mohamed was arab far before he received his message from God [/outside ALC rant]
Sorry to counter rant, but r_rolo1, "Maometans" is a highly offenive term, apart from being a nosense made up word, it implies we worship Muhammed, this is about the gravest sin you can comit in Islam, we are Muslims. Ok, counter rant over.

Hey, just notice r_rolo1 you are from Lisbon! I was there last week. Beautiful city, great food, nice beaches and a impressive moorish castle. I was reading this thread from that internet cafe near the Praca da Figueira. Anyway back to the ALC.
 
Sorry to counter rant, but r_rolo1, "Maometans" is a highly offenive term, apart from being a nosense made up word, it implies we worship Muhammed, this is about the gravest sin you can comit in Islam, we are Muslims. Ok, counter rant over.

Maometan means simply " follower of Mohamed" ,as much as Christian means "follower of Christ" ( not worshipper... but people get confused about those two sometimes ) .I simply can't find a better word: Muslim means " From Mossul", Islamic means simply "submission" ( if my memory is not failing on me... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) and Arab... well, let's not say much more ( I don't even want to talk about the term "Sarracen" ...). My intention was not to imply that you worship Mohamed , but that you follow his teachings.

And good to know you liked Lisbon.... about castles ,you should had gone to Sintra( 25 km from Lisbon ) ... the castle from there is moorish as well and it was less reshaped by post conquest architecture... besides that the royal palace ( XV century ) it was decorated with moorish ( really moorish: there was a sizable community of moors living in Sintra in that time ) decoration.
 
I simply can't find a better word: Muslim means " From Mossul", Islamic means simply "submission" ( if my memory is not failing on me... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong )

No.

Islam = Submission (to God)
Muslim = One who submits

The common Arabic root is slm, and Muslim is not a geographic attribution.
 
No.

Islam = Submission (to God)
Muslim = One who submits

The common Arabic root is slm, and Muslim is not a geographic attribution.
If that is true I stand corrected.
 
[Edit: Getting back on topic seems more challenging than you'd think... Sisutil: when are we getting the reroll? :-)]

Sorry for the delay. I had some free time and started an off-line game late last week and it occupied me through the whole weekend! :eek: (I should have known better--I'm starting to play Marathon games off-line now!)

But I will generate and post the new start tonight in a new thread so we can all discuss where to move the Warrior. :lol:
 
What about rolling a marathon advanced start and let us discuss where to place the warrior, which units to buy, how many pop points to pick, choices choices! :-)
 
That's the Sisiutil we know - he can't play the next ALC game because he's busy - playing Civ! :D
 
I have some interesting things to say about this game. Firstly, I shadowed it and won a space race victory in July of 1943 for a 51,426 score. Not as impressive as I had hoped, but I had some trouble with the AI's on the other continent (read on).

The game certainly was doable, but more difficult than an average emperor level game. I believe this is due to Louis XIV's location. It's a little bit far away to do a serious rush, but is also close enough so he can expand and take away your land. That happened to me when I had four cities up and was building up forces to take on Louis for the first time. The game was also difficult because Suleiman had a field day up north without any worries and a human player can't effectively harm him by warring him because of his distance from the starting location.

So what I did was forgo an early religion, forgo wonders, get 4 quick cities up, built up axes, then declared on Louis. I believe I had around 10 axes, 5 swords, and 5 catapults when I first declared on Louis (~1 AD IIRC). Taking out Louis took a two part war. After that, I teched towards rifling, drafted and upgraded an insane number of them, and took Suleiman as a vassal by the 1600's.

I was poised for a Space race victory, but I had two major problems. One was that Huayna Capac, the tech leader on the other continent (no surprise, but he also has the least amount of land on that continent) was heading for a cultural victory, and the second was Tokugawa, who tore up the other two civs (Qin Shi Huang and Charlemagne) and vassalized them. He was also...Cautious to me no matter how much I tried to please him. So I had to divert my attention to building up about 80 soldiers to amphibiously attack Cuzco and end Huayna's run. Also, Tokugawa declared on Huayna but his stack of about 40 grenadiers, 40 rifles, 20 war elephants, etc. was wiped out by Huayna's more technologically advanced units.

A screenshot of Tokugawa's army:

Spoiler :
Saladingame-tokusarmy0000-1.jpg


This is probably why Tokugawa was doing so well. Those units listed there are all Tokugawa's and compromise about a third of his active army.

Overall, it was quite enjoyable to see Tokugawa actually do well in a game. That's the first time I've ever seen him do it. Congratulations, Tokugawa.
 
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