Alt-Left

[Valka D'Ur]

What's the alt left?

It's a term made up by the alt-right.

I hear the conservatives I know complain that their people do not respond as a organically as the liberals do. If a conservative has a point, he/she makes it and sometimes someone else repeats it. On the left, any point is echoed from top to bottom. When I thought about it, it was the worst indictment I had yet heard of the left. They had forsaken independent thought in favor of a unified message.

Uh-huh. That's why there are four major political parties in Canada, and three of them are not some brand of Conservatives. It's why some people struggled to decide who to vote for in 2015, because of the real need to remove Stephen Harper and the Reformacons before they completed their agenda of ruining the country. There was a lot of nose-holding in the polling stations, as people voted for the candidate most likely to defeat the Conservative candidate... and that one might not be the person they would ordinarily vote for.

But do go on thinking that all non-right-wing parties and people are 100% identical in our thinking. I might have voted Liberal for the sake of the promised electoral reform and assisted dying legislation, but I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana for any reason other than medicinal purposes (duly prescribed by a real doctor and distributed by a properly trained and licensed pharmacist). So it really annoys me when I'm labeled as one type of voter when the fact is that I'm one of the people who didn't feel able to vote their conscience in 2015.

 

[onejayhawk]

It's a term made up by the alt-right.

No, it is not. It is a term to mirror the term alt-right.

As for the rest, it applies to Washington politics and USA media. Is there a similar lock-step relationship between one party and the bulk of the media in any other country?

J

 

[Valka D'Ur]

No, it is not. It is a term to mirror the term alt-right.

As for the rest, it applies to Washington politics and USA media. Is there a similar lock-step relationship between one party and the bulk of the media in any other country?

J

Oh. In that case, would you kindly take steps to prevent any more infestations of American political terms on Canadian news site comment boards? Thanks. I've been labeled as "alt-left" so many times now on CBC.ca that if I had a dollar for each time, I could pay several bills.

Considering the number of people who sign up there and post such nonsense as "Get over it, your girl Hillary lost" (she's not my anything, since Canadians don't vote in American elections), refer to provinces as states, Parliament as Congress, and numerous other posting anomalies that give them away as Trumpagandists, there seems to be some effort made to promote Trump in Canada. What I don't understand is why they do it. They're pathetically easy to spot, and only the Harperite Reformacons agree with them.

 

[Lexicus]

As for the rest, it applies to Washington politics and USA media. Is there a similar lock-step relationship between one party and the bulk of the media in any other country?

China is literally a single-party state that openly controls the media lol

Your persecution complex is so pathetic.

 

[Leoreth]

What's the alt left?

Queer women on the internet with opinions about games, or something.

 

[onejayhawk]

Oh. In that case, would you kindly take steps to prevent any more infestations of American political terms on Canadian news site comment boards? Thanks. I've been labeled as "alt-left" so many times now on CBC.ca that if I had a dollar for each time, I could pay several bills.

Considering the number of people who sign up there and post such nonsense as "Get over it, your girl Hillary lost" (she's not my anything, since Canadians don't vote in American elections), refer to provinces as states, Parliament as Congress, and numerous other posting anomalies that give them away as Trumpagandists, there seems to be some effort made to promote Trump in Canada. What I don't understand is why they do it. They're pathetically easy to spot, and only the Harperite Reformacons agree with them.

Sorry. Once it has gone viral, there is no tracking it down.

I am considering that number. Now that you mention it, they are pretty scarce compared to life outside.

China is literally a single-party state that openly controls the media lol

My point exactly. Normally this occurs only in dictatorships

Your persecution complex is so pathetic.

Nice.

J

 

[Lexicus]

My point exactly. Normally this occurs only in dictatorships

What's "this"? You actually believe that the media in the US is more in cahoots with the Democratic Party than the media in China is with the Communist Party of China? If so I suggest seeing a doctor about prescribing some antipsychotic meds.

 

[Traitorfish]

If the US media was the public relations wing of the Democratic Party, you'd think that they'd do a better job of making the Democratic Party look good.

I would say the alt-left would be those that are more commonly referred to as SJWs. They were around before the alt-right and those that identify as the alt-right didn't really start doing what they are doing until the whole SJW/Tumblr crowd started becoming more vocal.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I wonder what would an alt-center look like?

 

[warpus]

You puny humans only think in 2 dimensions.

There are a lot more dimensions at that. Consider the alt-top. Or the alt-(5,-7)

 

[Broken_Erika]

You puny humans only think in 2 dimensions.

There are a lot more dimensions at that. Consider the alt-top. Or the alt-(5,-7)

Is that the location of the Alt-Cylindrical city of Alt-Ball?

 

[warpus]

All I know is make fluidic space great again

 

[Commodore]

Okay, if we are going to get ridiculous I could post a picture of Marx. But I'm in the habit of using actual sentences and words to make my point.

And just for the record: Alt-right does not equal Nazi. But you're also the the one who argues the UK was the aggressor in the Falklands War, so I guess we can't expect too much intellectual honesty from you.

 

[El_Machinae]

alt-right doesn't equal nazi. but that's where the nazis are

 

[onejayhawk]

What's "this"? You actually believe that the media in the US is more in cahoots with the Democratic Party than the media in China is with the Communist Party of China?

No. Simply close enough that the comparison is apt.

If the US media was the public relations wing of the Democratic Party, you'd think that they'd do a better job of making the Democratic Party look good.

Why? They have done a good job covering up Clinton scandals for 20+ years. That isn't easy while still claiming to report both sides. In any event it did not get really organized until Trump came on scene. There is not even the pretense of impartiality now. Has the Media started running the party?

alt-right doesn't equal nazi. but that's where the nazis are

Not on this planet. The closest you will find is Iran.

J

 

[Traitorfish]

Why? They have done a good job covering up Clinton scandals for 20+ years. That isn't easy while still claiming to report both sides. In any event it did not get really organized until Trump came on scene. There is not even the pretense of impartiality now. Has the Media started running the party?

I'm trying to picture the sort of conspiracy that can keep its own existence out of the public eye for decades, but can't cover up an extra-marital blowjob or some improper use of email clients. Maybe the Clintons need to hire new PR people or may they need to hire new shadowy mob goons, but either way, somebody needs to get fired.

Okay, if we are going to get ridiculous I could post a picture of Marx. But I'm in the habit of using actual sentences and words to make my point.

You could post a picture of Marx, but it wouldn't make any sense. My picture was clear shorthand for the statement: the alt-right are Nazis, and Nazis aren't new. You understood this, clearly, because you address it below.

And just for the record: Alt-right does not equal Nazi.

Well, no, it's a euphemism. If euphemisms were directly equivalent to the thing they euphemised, they wouldn't be euphemisms, just homonyms. It's that slight mis-match, that slight ambiguity, that allows the euphemism to function.

But you're also the the one who argues the UK was the aggressor in the Falklands War, so I guess we can't expect too much intellectual honesty from you.

I tend to believe that reasonable people can disagree. The conviction that disagreement is impossible, that the truth is self-evident and that all dissent is either madness or falsehood, is a cornerstone of totalitarian thinking.

 

[onejayhawk]

I'm trying to picture the sort of conspiracy that can keep its own existence out of the public eye for decades, but can't cover up an extra-marital blowjob or some improper use of email clients. Maybe the Clintons need to hire new PR people or may they need to hire new shadowy mob goons, but either way, somebody needs to get fired.

What do you mean, "out of the public eye"? The Clintons hid in plain sight. They did everything they were accused of doing but it was shrugged off, one massive scandal after another. That is brilliant work. Compare Richard Nixon, who did almost nothing wrong but is demonized two decades after his death.

J

 

[Lexicus]

Richard Nixon, who did almost nothing wrong

Wait...seriously?

Like, seriously seriously?

Some "libertarian" you are...

 

[Broken_Erika]

Alt-Left-Semicolon-Blackslash-dot-control-tab-shift-f12-escape.

 

[Ajidica]

Compare Richard Nixon, who did almost nothing wrong but is demonized two decades after his death.

If anything, Nixon's reputation has undergone a revival as people forget just how horrifying Watergate was and instead focus on the advantages that being a paranoid weirdo living in an ethical netherworld has in the realm of international diplomacy.
Plus, Presidential scandals involving actual illegal actions got a bit boring after Iran-Contra, where a secret cabal inside the government was selling arms to a country who we basically were at war with in order to fund a paramilitary drug gang which Congress had explicitly prohibited funding for. I honestly consider Iran-Contra worse than Watergate, but Reagan was able to get out of it due to no prosecution over Congressional immunity and appearing like a clueless grandpa.

A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not."

Watergate involved the president using executive authority to cover up a crime, Iran-Contra involved the president and a secret cabal directly working against Congress in direct violations of US Law passed by Congress to avoid such a thing.