Altered Maps 4: Partitioning Eastern Europe Like In The Good Old Days

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About the genetics maps: I've seen them before and they prove what we knew all along - Czechia is a mix of Mediterranean (probably Celtic?), Slavic, Germanic and Jewish genetic markers. As always, these maps reveal how foolish it is to believe in some sort of genetically uniform "races" in Europe :)

Gooblah said:
Edit: here we go

balkanisedeurope-1.png


It's a WIP, so feel free to comment, etc.

If the same color is separated only by one nation, it's connected (i.e Czech Rep. is split in two by Moravia, the Republika Sprska in the Balkans) (...)

( I was aiming to illustrate Upper Silesia. Any tips on modifying it? It was kind of hard to find a map, even w/ google and wiki.
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Few hints:

Silesia doesn't make any sense. Squonk gave you a map so I don't need to expand on that.

About the Czech Rep.: Moravia doesn't really want to separate, but I wouldn't mind either - we simply can't stand certain people from Prague :mischief: The thing is that Moravia itself is more diverse than the rest of the republic. You could split it into more parts (southern Moravia is quite culturally distinct from north-east Moravia).

What about the Hungarians in Slovakia? Autonomy! :mischief:

(EDIT:) I can't believe you left Ukraine in one piece. Eastern Ukraine should be either independent or joined with Russia.

(EDIT2:) What about southern Tyrol? The german-speaking population would surely like to rejoin Austria...

Squonk said:
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This is Upper Silesia of the autonomists' dreams. On both sides of the border. Although there are Silesians west to Frydek as well.
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I hope their dreams come true. Silesia is a pretty useless part of this country :)
 
Winner said:
About the genetics maps: I've seen them before and they prove what we knew all along - Czechia is a mix of Mediterranean (probably Celtic?), Slavic, Germanic and Jewish genetic markers. As always, these maps reveal how foolish it is to believe in some sort of genetically uniform "races" in Europe :)
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Czechs, just like Poles, are definitely Slavs by genes, with a couple small additions.

I hope their dreams come true. Silesia is a pretty useless part of this country :)
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Autochtonous Silesians are a minority, mostly due to economic emigration to Germany in the 70s, 80s. And most of them consider themselves Poles, some Germans, only a small part consider themselves Silesians. And even those are not all for independance, but, at least officially, for autonomy. Making an independant Upper Silesia is not likely at all: the first democratically elected parliament of it would vote itself back to Poland.

When it comes to Czech part of Silesia, officially some silesian fanatics claim that Lachy are their brothers, and that they should form a common region, or get an autonomy too. But the map I've posted shows clearly how ignorant they are of the situation in Czech Republic. Most of Lachy, that is the people speaking something between polish/silesian dialect and moravian one, live west to Frydek, in a part of Silesia that was lost by it really early and didn't share a common history.
 
Squonk said:
Czechs, just like Poles, are definitely Slavs by genes, with a couple small additions.
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Czechs are definitely not. A research made here in the Czech rep. by a private company which specializes in genetic ancestry tests revealed than only about 40% of Czechs have genetic traits common in West Slavic populations. About 10% more are closer to South Slavs, and the rest have non-Slavic genetic ancestry.

SOURCE

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  1. - Eastern and Central Europe – Western Slavic (40%)
  2. - Southwestern and Western Europe – Latin (25%)
  3. - Southeastern Europe - The Balkans – Southern Slavic (11%)
  4. - Northwestern Europe – Scandinavia, Germany (10%)
  5. - Mediterranean, Balkan, North Africa – Semitic (5%)
  6. - Mediterranean, Near East, Asia – Semitic (4%)
  7. - Baltic, Scandinavia, Siberia – Urgo-Finnish(3%)
  8. - Mediterranean, Caucuses – Southern Caucasian (1%)
  9. - Northwestern Europe - British Isles – Germanic (1%)
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Autochtonous Silesians are a minority, mostly due to economic emigration to Germany in the 70s, 80s. And most of them consider themselves Poles, some Germans, only a small part consider themselves Silesians. And even those are not all for independance, but, at least officially, for autonomy. Making an independant Upper Silesia is not likely at all: the first democratically elected parliament of it would vote itself back to Poland.

When it comes to Czech part of Silesia, officially some silesian fanatics claim that Lachy are their brothers, and that they should form a common region, or get an autonomy too. But the map I've posted shows clearly how ignorant they are of the situation in Czech Republic. Most of Lachy, that is the people speaking something between polish/silesian dialect and moravian one, live west to Frydek, in a part of Silesia that was lost by it really early and didn't share a common history.
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I don't care, I'd give them independence right now. Silesia is an economic burden to this country.
 
Winner said:
Czechs are definitely not. A research made here in the Czech rep. by a private company which specializes in genetic ancestry tests revealed than only about 40% of Czechs have genetic traits common in West Slavic populations. About 10% more are closer to South Slavs, and the rest have non-Slavic genetic ancestry.
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That sounds pretty much as Slavs with couple of small additions:mischief:
 
According to almighty Wiki, Czechs are 34.2% R1a, 18.3% I, 5.8% E1b1b, 4.7% J, 5.1% G, and 1.6% N.

So, basically your run-of-the-mill Eastern Europeans with more mixture, as could be expected from their location.
 
I don't care, I'd give them independence right now. Silesia is an economic burden to this country.
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Czech silesia has no industry or anything? Polish Silesia considers the rest of Poland an economic burden. :lmao: (first use of that smiley. :))
 
 
TheJ0K3R said:
It can't be 1925-1927.In 1923 Turkey Republic has been founded,and not including Arabian lands and Greece.
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It's an alternate history that he's got going on AH.com. IIRC the PoD was an Anglo-American war over Venezuela during the second Venezuelan Crisis (of course Mowque picked the wrong crisis :p).
 
Dachs said:
It's an alternate history that he's got going on AH.com. IIRC the PoD was an Anglo-American war over Venezuela during the second Venezuelan Crisis (of course Mowque picked the wrong crisis :p).
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Oh :p yourself. But yes, in this TL, the Ottomans avoid 'WW1' and manage to slowly lose the Empire instead. This map is actually the last to show them seemingly control vast swaths of territory. Those will soon be leaving them.

A few notes.

1. The Conquered Canada is wrong..*fixing*

2. Belarus only exists due to outside forces.

3. Their should be no Ottoman owned territory in the Balkans..*fixing*

But thanks for the feedback!

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Better!
 
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