Altered Maps 4: Partitioning Eastern Europe Like In The Good Old Days

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I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but you are debating my genetic map about being closer to Germans than Russians, which you are not. I support Poland being closer to Germany than Russia (:)) but it would be wrong to say they are genetically closer to Germans.

Come invade Poland, and rape our women, cleanse us of our evil genetics! :crazyeye:
 
Come invade Poland, and rape our women, cleanse us of our evil genetics! :crazyeye:

It was tried once before. You could always just accept life as it is and be happy. R1a, R1b, I1 or none of the above.
 
My Point, genetics don't really mean anything.

Polish culture evolved along Czech, Bavarian and other cultures and is closer to German than Polish.

If there was an Uberdeutchland nowdays, nicknamed 'Central European Union' or something, and all the members had equal rights and everything, I don't think there would be a problem. If Russia tried something like that with Poland, we'll continue our last 200 years history of revolting every decade. :lol:
 
Well, most seem to be some form of R...

It is the most prevalent in Europe. The thing to learn from this is a lot of people are intermixed. The Norsemen established the Kievan Rus, the Goths settled in Italy and Spain. Blue eyes, while originating in one person, are now found across Europe and ethnic lines (not only subgroups of Indo-Europeans such as Slavs, Germanics, and Latins as well as Uralic peoples like the Finnish.)

We like to think of ourselves as mutts here in the United States. If you go back far enough, we all are (meaning Europeans, I have not studied other people.) :)

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My Point, genetics don't really mean anything.

I'm glad you accept my viewpoint, but it contradicts your earlier statement from the first map I posted:

Closer than being Russians.

Which you are not. If it doesn't matter, why do you get so upset about it? I am merely correcting your error in saying Poles are closer to Germans than Russians, genetically.
 
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Annnnd, having arrived in a middle of a Poland-fest, I decided to post this. While talking about the Persian Empire with a friend, I thought of a map like this with the questions:

"What if the Persian Empire's height under Darius I kept getting larger?"
"What if Alexander was a joke?"
"What if the Greco-Persian Wars were won?"
"What if loltastic geographic skills didn't stop the Persians from subduing the Scythians?"

And others.

Basically, the Persians maintained all territories that Darius I had. They managed to crush the Greeks in the Wars, and eventually the Shahanshah of the Empire was ambitious enough to annex the whole region. The Scythians were defeated through the plan to attack them through the rear, and Persian colonies along the Black Sea coast guaranteed the security of the area.

Alexander was a rebel/minor King with big ideas, but the Persians were only weakened slightly before he was WTFPwned. Sometime after the Greco-Persian Wars, it was decided to push the European borders to rivers of the north for security.

So much hatred of the Greeks was built up by the Persian leadership, in fact, that an expedition occupied the last Greek strongholds in Sicily. This caused the Carthagianian and Roman Republics to turn their look eastwards. They put aside their differences for the time being, knowing that if Persia took Sicily, Rome would fall and Carthage soon after.

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Yes, I probably butchered history in a timespan of 300-400 years there. I did it primarily for fun. Everyone here knows by now I prefer to take a little bit of history and dose it in fictitious magic. :D
 

Nice :D

I think Persia should have expanded around that Saudi Arabian river, though. Rivers in the desert = rich area in most cases, it seems.

EDIT: you didn't put the Tigris or Euphrates rivers in.

So what is that line, a half-finished modern border? :lol:
 
Edit: here we go

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It's a WIP, so feel free to comment, etc.

If the same color is separated only by one nation, it's connected (i.e Czech Rep. is split in two by Moravia, the Republika Sprska in the Balkans)
 
Nice :D

I think Persia should have expanded around that Saudi Arabian river, though. Rivers in the desert = rich area in most cases, it seems.

EDIT: you didn't put the Tigris or Euphrates rivers in.

So what is that line, a half-finished modern border? :lol:

I am making a single sequel to this map, with a DRASTICALLY altered world. I'll be sure to expand the Persians a bit into Iraq.

Yes... some crazy people from the European colonies wasted time drawing lines in the desert, until the Shah sent them further east or so to draw borders instead. :D Where you know, there's actually countries that can hold a candle to the Empire.
 
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I call it "WTH World." :D

A semi-sequel to my last map(no, I will not be developing a story or sequence of maps).

Basically, the following occurred over the past near 2000 years:

1. The Persian Empire became a massive entity, conquering much of Europe and establishing frontiers along the Rhine and Danube. Security in Europe prompted the Persians to look elsewhere, and so territories were seized in the Arabic peninsula and the East African coast.

2. The Chinese rulers were prompted by the appearance of the Persian Empire on their frontiers to carve an empire of their own. They pushed northwards to Lake Baikal, while pushing westwards into Turkestan. They annexed Tibet and pushed into India, while also strengthening their hold on Dai Viet. Some point in the future, the Chinese managed to defeat the Japanese - there was no "divine wind" to save the Japanese from the Chinese hordes - and annex the whole archipelago. The competition from the Persians caused the Chinese treasure fleets to travel near and far, with colonies being set up all over the world, spreading the works of Confucius and Sun Tzu from California and Peru all the way to Australia and South Africa.

3. During the Sino-Persian rivalry(Which rarely erupted into large-scale conflict, given the enormous amount of resources that would be needed to destroy eachother), the ruler of what the Romans called "Londonium" studied the Persian culture and society. He made his state's military have the quality of the Persians, and conquered all of England, Wales and Scotland. With the island under his control, he managed to craft a large fleet, stating that the "British Empire"'s strength was on the waters, not the land. If the Persians could not cross the seas, they could never threaten the country. A huge fleet was thus constructed, giving the British regional superiority. The Irish soon were absorbed through a mix of war and diplomacy, while the British colonial Empire penetrated deep into the Baltic and North Seas, with Norway, Sweden, and much of the Baltic territories becoming British.

4. The Persians had a religious missionary by the name of "Jesus" born in approximately what Christians call 0 AD. Jesus was a reformer of the Jewish religion, and so while he suffered from the local Jewish authorities, his life was protected by the Shahanshah, who saw him as a means of weakening the Jewish leadership - which historically tended to be a bit independent-minded. Jesus' reformist faith would later become a subdivision of Judaism, with followers in the tens of millions. Most Christians would be quite loyal to the Persian government, which had protected Jesus' life.

5. A religious radical named Muhammad would rise up in the Arabic provinces hundreds of years after Jesus' death. Inspired by Judeo-Christian texts, he formed a new faith, named Islam, and tried to unify the Arabs against the Persian Empire(as the Persian Shahanshah would not accept Islam). Muhammad was naturally crushed, and while his life was spared(his position of 'Caliph' would help pacify his followers), Islam was widely-regarded as the faith of traitors. As such, Islam rarely numbered more than a few million adherents, scattered throughout the empire and sparsely-populated Arabic deserts. It also enjoyed very little support from the government besides as a tool of influence, and thus never spread widely.

6. The British Empire would later sponsor the Polish Kingdom. The Poles were given many of the abortive British colonies in Africa(which were seen as distracting resources away from the real wealth, the Americas). The Poles also sent campaigns and gained large colonies in the Americas, to the British's surprise. He then absorbed Hungary in a deal with the Persians. The Polish ruler was so ambitious he tried to unify the Polish and Lithuanian crowns, but Britain made sure he was assassinated before that could happen, so as to make sure Poland remained under nominal British influence. The evidence of the King's independence was how he invaded Hungary and made a deal with Persia, the British Empire's rival.

7. Reinforcing the "controlling Poland" idea, the Brits also sponsored rival Lithuania. The Lithuanians developed a small colonial empire, and thus the Lithuanian project was considered a failure.

8. Bohemia rose up in the Czech regions, becoming a minor regional force. It would often compete with Poland for influence over the three German states in the region. The three German states would later form a Confederation, the Holy German Empire.

9. Turkestan was greatly empowered by a deal between the Persian and Chinese rulers, who agreed to let the state be a buffer.

10. Novgorod emerged as a powerful force in Eastern Europe, occassionally rivalling Lithuanian and British power in the area.

11. India eventually rebelled against the Sino-Persian influence, and became a moderate great power covering much of the subcontinent, as well as Burma. It would grow into a minor colonial power thanks to Sino-Persian sponsorship.

12. The Incan and Aztec Empires would find themselves torn apart by one or more of the Three Great Powers.

13. The tripolar world essentially eroded itself, as the three Great Powers would constantly sponsor new great powers to try and increase their influence. But things do not always go as planned...

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Yes. I just pretty much raped history. But one should remember. Generally, my maps are 99% fun and 1% history.

Enjoy! :D
 
Gooblah, in Poland, it's the Upper Silesia that has some, rather unimportant, groups demanding autonomy, claiming separate nationality etc. Not Lower silesia.
 
Gooblah, in Poland, it's the Upper Silesia that has some, rather unimportant, groups demanding autonomy, claiming separate nationality etc. Not Lower silesia.

:( I was aiming to illustrate Upper Silesia. Any tips on modifying it? It was kind of hard to find a map, even w/ google and wiki.
 
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This is Upper Silesia of the autonomists' dreams. On both sides of the border. Although there are Silesians west to Frydek as well.
 
another map- Same TL as always. The date is 1925-27. Not quite sure yet.

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WTH is with Denmark?
 
Closer to being Persian than German.

Yes, but that's original Indo-European blood. You know, Aryan blood. Most other Indo-European peoples took the languages but not the genetics.
 
another map- Same TL as always. The date is 1925-27. Not quite sure yet.

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It can't be 1925-1927.In 1923 Turkey Republic has been founded,and not including Arabian lands and Greece.
 
also, no way for independant Belarus. This country hardly had its own politicians - the elites were all polish and jewish, and the southern half of Belarus didn't even know what language they speak, who are they, and when asked by polls, they were saying "we are from here". The country had no industry, nothing. Even if it was brought to life, it'd be immediatelly partaged between Poland and Ukraine,.
 
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