Altered Maps VI: Xorda Gene Bombs.. going from Earth to Mobius

[Karalysia]

Dachs if you've read my orders what is the % chance that I may finally burn a city other than my own this turn?

 

[Mathalamus]

When did you ever see a steppe horde with a capital?

oh easy. the mongol Empire with Karakorum and Beijing as a capital.

It is in Sicily because it is a Sicilian state: the Greek Republic of Panormos. It is not Vandalic or Punic.

a greek state. sounds ok.

It's one of the largest and most important cities in the state. And it's Areia, not Persia. Besides, Ctesiphon was practically right next door to the Roman border (and the Caliphal border, in the 630s) in OTL.

and thats why states with capitals on the border almost instantly fall.

That's what I keep saying about the Canadians...

uh huh....

 

[Dachs]

@silver: I don't read other peoples' orders before the deadline. That said, since you don't actually have any cities of your own...pretty high?

oh easy. the mongol Empire with Karakorum and Beijing as a capital.

Um, that was an empire ruling China, not merely a "steppe horde". When you figure out some good cities to stick a capital in for the Mazsakata and/or Tantan in 610 lemme know.

and thats why states with capitals on the border almost instantly fall.

Riiiiiiight.

 

[Karalysia]

I don't read other peoples' orders before the deadline. That said, since you don't actually have any cities of your own...pretty high?

A great day for the Tantan Qanate.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Germans, actually. More like Visigoths than Moors (technically the Chatti).

Oh wait, you're right (I read the date wrong ).

Though if Al-Andalus had borders like that it would be pretty awesome

 

[Mathalamus]

Um, that was an empire ruling China, not merely a "steppe horde". When you figure out some good cities to stick a capital in for the Mazsakata and/or Tantan in 610 lemme know.

any city can apparently be the capital, even tiny villages of no importance whatsoever. (reference to Ankara)

Riiiiiiight.

if your referring to Byzantium, it dosnt count. the city walls negate that.

 

[Karalysia]

any city can apparently be the capital, even tiny villages of no importance whatsoever. (reference to Ankara)

Try this on for size, why does a steppe horde need a capital?

 

[Mathalamus]

Try this on for size, why does a steppe horde need a capital?

....good point. why did the mongols need the capital then?

 

[choxorn]

if your referring to Byzantium, it dosnt count. the city walls negate that.

I think being surrounded by water on three sides is a bit more helpful...

 

[say1988]

Because they developed into far more than a steppe horde and began to need a capital for the centralised government.

if your referring to Byzantium, it dosnt count. the city walls negate that.

Riiiight. And what about Russia's collapse in the 18th and 19th centuries. Or that of the Ottoman Empire before conquering Constantinople and other parts of Byzantium.

 

[Dachs]

if your referring to Byzantium, it dosnt count. the city walls negate that.

So do Hekatompylos'.

....good point. why did the mongols need the capital then?

Because they were ruling most of China (and later, all of China). The Tantan are ruling...a bunch of steppe lands, a desert, and some mountains.

 

[Karalysia]

Because they were ruling most of China (and later, all of China). The Tantan are ruling...a bunch of steppe lands, a desert, and some mountains.

And what a fine desert it is!

 

[Mathalamus]

Because they developed into far more than a steppe horde and began to need a capital for the centralised government.


Riiiight. And what about Russia's collapse in the 18th and 19th centuries. Or that of the Ottoman Empire before conquering Constantinople and other parts of Byzantium.

the Russians obviously over expanded themselves and couldn't afford the maintainence

the Byzantines were too busy crying over their lost empire to do anything about it.

 

[Dachs]

He was being sarcastic. Both of those states had peripheral capitals and did very well by most metrics.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

and thats why states with capitals on the border almost instantly fall.

Not only is that a GIANT generalization, it doesn't even make any sense. Where does that leave city states? Does that mean that 500s and 400s BC Greece, 250-800 AD Yucatan Peninsula, Germany in the Middle Ages up to Unification, and the entire civilization of Sumer for over a thousand years were constantly collapsing over and over again because all the capital were on the border?

And there are BIG nations were this is wrong! For example, Tsarist Russia (St. Petersburg), Ming/Qing China (Beijing), Canada (York, Ottawa), and America in the Civil War (Washington).

 

[TheLastOne36]

Poland as well (Krakow)

Granted we did move it to the more central location of Warsaw later.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Heck, Berlin is pretty close to Poland.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Nowadays it is, but back then, You had to go through Prussia and Poznan before getting to Berlin.

Besides Berlin being capital is a new thing.

 

[cardgame]

London is pretty close to the border.

 

[Mad Man]

Ottawa, Ljubljana, Rome, Zagreb, Bratislava, Vienna, Vilnius, Tashkent, Bishkek, Dushanbe, Ashgabat, Vientiane, Asuncion, Freetown, Gaborone, Bujumbura, Brazzaville, Kinshasa and Cheyenne are all capitals close to other peoples borders