Alternate History Thread II...

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I will do the map in due time...

Maybe Panda and I could switch - he does the stats, I do the map? :D Its just that I don't particularily enjoy being the resident stat-maker.
 
Panda made stats for my althists before, it worked like a charm.
 
das said:
IMHO its a rather bad idea, only makes things more complicated. And did you take into account the assorted lunar calendar stuff? :p

I like giving my readers a familiarity with other systems. ;) And yes, I did.

Between the two or in one of them?

Between the two. :confused:

In this case, its the wrong kind of imitation. ;) The Arabs of "Rice and Salt" called it so because they entered Germany through France; while these entered it through Italy, so its more like Germanistan.

Nonsense. They learned the name of the Germans as the Alemange, because the first to directly come into contact with them were those of Aquitaine.

Too easy, IMHO, especially with an army that just crossed the Alps. If Hannibal can't pull it off in easier (warmer, and thus better for the southern troops) terrain, why can ibn-Nazir?

Because he's not facing Romans, rather a disunited, tiny Germanic state.

As in Bavaria, you overestimate the sieging capabilities of an Arabian army in the middle of Europe and underestimate the Saxon forts. :p Besides, they'd just fight on from the forests and stuff, like they did in OTL with some success against much more accustomed and aclimatized troops.

They didn't keep the territories... Nominal control is easy enough.

Arrgh. These Aquitainians seem quite dizzy with success and have been reading too much Caeser. Can't imagine southern armies operating well within English conditions, though possibly they didn't know that yet.

Yeah. They died.

They aren't THAT ancient. :p

That's subjective.

Said facts do not give me any illusions about the survivability of this state without lots of changes and luck... and neither does its geopolitical situation, it just begs for Ummayad conquest IMHO.

Mwahahahaha.

...which, although quite intriguing, doesn't strike me as a particularily durable state. Pretty hard to keep so much (underdeveloped) territory together. Although not impossible...

It wasn't that underdeveloped. Civilized nations had been in the area for centuries, milennia, even.

All in all, quite epic, reminds me of some of your updates. This is infinitely more easy, though, isn't it? ;) At times I suspect that plenty of us mods will one day wind up limiting themselves to althist writing - no need to deal with all those annoying players and stuff. :p

That's what I'm doing already. :D
 
Kal'thzar said:
Hmm well he'd have to say yes.....:p

The problem is we keep doing YOUR alt-hist's

I mean i assume if NK ever finishes his alt, he'll have to do the stats for it, as he knows it the best.

Hah! And you wondered why I never let you use any! :p
 
Kal, start that althistory....DO IT NOW!!!

btw, if I had any map skills you know I would help you guys out...alas, I have none :p
 
Kal and Das, it looks simply amazing. I really want to pay the Gaellic Republic!
 
Good news guys, I am opening my nes today, but when today? Only I know, muhahaha. O yeah, no reservations.
 
The New World Order​

1920- After the first world war German under went massive revolutions. The Nazi party is first formed but growing opposition to it by Adolf Hitler, the artist from Austria. The peaceful man who concerned himself with cubist paintings that was popular at the time. The Nazi party is over thrown quickly and a more democratic/socialist government takes hold. Adolf Hitler retires from his position as leader of the Federation of Germanic Socialist States (FGSS) and moved to his child home in the Austrian Federation (which was in close alliance of the FGSS).

1922-1923- Mussolini begins his Blackshirt Fascist Party and succeeds in becoming IL DUCE (Leader) of Italy and brings it into an economic boom and stability. French citizens rebel against the democratic government. Mass riots and fights break out in the country. The People’s Nationalist Party of France(PNPF) takes hold and forms it’s government around a militaristic core of generals from the rebellion. Jauc Belladone became the leader on September 13th. Riots still plague France, the Socialist Party of France forms itself in the southeastern part of France and receive financial aid from the FGSS but the PNPF crushes the socialist movement in a matter of weeks. Belladone executed the leaders of the party and the majority of co-conspirators and arrested and imprisoned. Most were torched but the majority of them disappeared, assumed to be dead. (the PNPF retained it’s name of France but many began to call it Imperial France). Austria unites with Hungry, and the Czechoslovakia to form the Federation of Mid-Europe Allies. Forming around a more state oriented government, the 3 countries each elect representatives who form the policies of the FMEA, taxes, laws and the 3 representatives perform diplomacy in a unanimous way and so far no case of disagreement between the 3 has been presented. However the 3 nations were not very supported by their people, as fascist movements had taken over the majority of Europe, so it did with FMEA as the joining of the 3 nations was only slimly won.

Communism takes over Russia as the Senate votes almost unanimously to form what is now know as the Union of Socialist Soviet Russia. The USSR immediately takes hold of almost all industry, regulating everything from cheese to military production, which reaches an all time high.

1930- Fascist movements begin to spread to Switzerland as riots began after 3 consecutive bank robberies. The economy and government collapsed that France moved it’s military in to secure the money kept with in the banks (and took over half of its money). The French military then institutes a puppet government.

1932- Civil war breaks out in Spain as their Fascist government falls to a more democratic and capitalist government France invades Spain on behalf of the Fascist government, however pressure from Germany, Britain and the USA, France withdraws and a shaky democratic government takes hold of Spain. FMEA becomes one of Europe’s and the world’s most powerful economic countries and moves towards a more united nation in that the 3 representatives are abolished, in place one Chief Dictator . There is a bit of meaning lost in translation but what is truly meant by the term “Chief Dictator” is a dictator of law, diplomacy, and other matter that leader such as Presidents and Prime Ministers, deal with. The Chief Dictator is not in power for more than 6 years, at which time a national election is held. (just to make it clear lol)

1938- Civil war in Spain continues on and off for 6 years after French withdrawal. Switzerland cuts its puppet government with France but retains strong Fascism (the reason behind this was because they had stabilized sufficiently). In the summer of ’38 Switzerland invades FMEA in a surprise attack through the city of Buldenz. It seemed that with the money from French aid, the Swiss government had increased spending in military drastically. They had bought numerous early tanks from France and with both French and Italian support (not military). The advance was quick and yet again, the deadly mustard gas is introduced to war-fare. (yes I know it was used in WW1 hence the word again) With the element of surprise on their side, Faldkrich and Dornbinn quickly fall to the fast Swiss onslaught. Swiss sends its second infantry wave around the mountain Haldeprize and flank the city of Imse, where FMEA reinforcements are no arriving. The reinforcements barely had any time to dig in before the Swiss attacked, their few tanks taking out strong pockets of resistance as the elite Swiss Kleinteufel sweeps through the city and quickly defeats the unprepared FMEA forces. General Falco Nicholaus was about to order the attack of Reuzze but FMEA forces were to quick to respond and with their Shredder Artillery already in the city, advance, even by tank, was impossible. The armies then settle in for the winter and begin to build their defenses.

1939- France enters the war with a surprise attack on FMEA from the South, unveiling the deadly new fight-bomber planes that pound away against the fortified positions of FMEA in Reuzze and Innsbruck. Their aerial assault is followed by a series of artillery strikes along supply lines and then the French tanks move in. The French strike quick and hard, their tanks being vastly superior in almost every way to both Swiss and FMEA tanks. In under 4 days the city of Innsbruck and Ruezz fall, and the French and Swiss military finally meet. A massive push towards the city of Linz, with the ultimate goal of reaching Vienna by the end of the year, begins and FMEA continuously falls over itself in an effort to retreat and fortify but the constant air raids by French fight-bombers, as well as a new class of heavy bombers, make it virtually impossible to stop. This push is quickened to an almost blinding speed by the rebellions inside all of FMEA by the fascist party of the Mid-Europe Nationalist Party (MENP), lead by Kristof Marton. With the FMEA army, government, and nation, in chaos Marton leads his Party to raid many barracks in not only Vienna, but Linz, and Graz, capturing many of their arms depots and beginning a now fully armed rebellion force.

Though it seemed that FMEA was alone, the FGSS had been carefully watching the situation in FMEA. The FGSS leader Gretel Munzer, demanded an immediate French and Swiss withdrawal from FMEA and an end of Italian involvement in the war. Poland supports Munzer’s demands and Germany and Poland. Adolf Hitler returns to Germany, as France continues to advance towards Vienna. 2 months later, Hitler returns as leader of the FGSS and Munzer returns to his side as deputy minister. Hitler gives France and Switzerland an ultimatum, either withdraw all forces from FMEA or Germany will enter the war. Prime Minister of England steps in and backs Germany, their silence in resent years had been attributed to their focus on developing their colonies in India and South Africa. England’s navy being one of the strongest in the world (rivaling that of the US and Japan). Russia joins the push to end the war. The threat of world war breaks out all over as Italy and Spain back the French government in their military aid of the Swiss (which had been halted for the moment).

1940- France resumes its push through FMEA forces, which buckled easily. Spain, France, Italy form the Union of Nations (UN :p ) and Germany counters the alliance with the forming of the Washington Pact with Germany, Russia, England and the USA in the alliance (the alliance being signed in Washington D.C.) Canada would later join this in September. Ignoring the threat of the Washington Pact, the UN combine their forces and completely wipe out FMEA troops, the Swiss government takes control of the areas once controlled by FMEA. Without wasting any time the Washington Pact immediately attacks France, though it is mostly German forces. They attack through Belgium just as in WW1 and this time make it through completely unharmed. Germany had moved it’s considerable tank force, which were faster than any current tank, and , with a number of heavy assault of both aerial and artillery bombardment, manage to destroy a considerable amount of French forces. German forces surprisingly take Paris in 3 weeks but loss it after only 2 days of occupation as a massive French counter attack is mounted along with an attack from Italy and Switzerland from the south. The French counter attack became known as the largest military offensive ever, consisting of almost all of its military as well as half of Spain’s army. German almost falls under the combined attack of both France and Italy (Swiss included but they were still focused on internal issues). Germany manages to hold off UN attacks as Britain finally enters the war official with an assault on the French navy in hopes of obtaining a beach head for invasion. They succeed in getting a beach head however the French navy, which was far from being defeated, destroyed the beach head quickly. Naval battles continued but nothing important had happened. The USSR then throws its massive man power into the world war. Germany supplies the USSR with weapons and its famous Panzer tanks. Poland is annexed by the USSR, a rather strange move however Poland does not have the military might to resist. Anti-Semitism begins to grow even more in Russia. Russia finally attacks an actual UN nation, that nation being the Swiss Empire (newly named by the Chancellor of Switzerland) the Swiss receive a massive arms shipment from France in order to defend against the USSR, which they do surprisingly well, with the fortifications put up by the Swiss Empire. Unfortunately Russia had begun their attack in the middle of winter, and even though the Russian winters were much harsher, it was still winter. Making any head way was hard.

1941-1943 The defensive lines stabilized for the moment, giving rise to the trench warfare that was so deadly during the first world war. Gains on both sides were hardly ever made. England was having trouble sustaining the war effort, as constant air raids began to wear away at the British. Churchill, however, was able to keep his nation together. The strain of keep the colonies in line, however, was to great, India’s peaceful rebellions, lead by Mahatma Gandhi and from the more radical rebellions which ended in the declaration of independence of India, and the bombing of the British Embassy. Fortunately Churchill kept good contacts with the now independent Indian nation, which was headed by Gandhi. The South African colonies have also rebelled, but this time in a much more violent manner. The South Africans killed any European caught owning land or owning anything, it was, in effect, a genocide. However, this was simply a means to an ends as their leader quickly settled down when England gave them independence. England, in latter months, withdrew from all their colonies in order to focus on the war effort.

Many said that this would be the never ending war, as both sides showed no signs of buckling under the constant waves of attack, retreat, counter attack and so on and so forth. No real territorial gain was made, except perhaps the Italians gaining almost complete control over the Mediterranean, except for the Russian navy at the Black Sea, which had held out for the duration of the war.

Spam is invented in the US, used to supply the majority of people in the war

ooc ok rip my alt-history appart now, seriously all criticism is welcome. As you can see i did keep some historical things, the USSR, Churchill, Italy. This will be the alt-history ill use for my Nes which i hope to get done and out there before the summer begins

i have decided to break down each history into the different parts of the world one for Europe, one for Asia, one for Africa and one for the Americas. I will probably also do two of each, one for up to 1943 and then from 1944 to probably 1980 maybe 1990. They will probably all be this long so... it will take a while and ill be editing it a lot for your comments so please... atleast read it, especialy you das (das-god of nes)
 
Kentharu said:
that nation being the Swiss Empire (newly named by the Chancellor of Switzerland) the Swiss receive a massive arms shipment from France in order to defend against the USSR, which they do surprisingly well, with the fortifications put up by the Swiss Empire. Unfortunately Russia had begun their attack in the middle of winter, and even though the Russian winters were much harsher, it was still winter. Making any head way was hard.
Amazing for the bolded areas. I swear to god, if the Swiss Empire is not around when you start the NES, there will be some 'splainin to do

On a serious note, i like it, but you should put a glossary for the abrevviations. Also, you should decribe the key battles in depth and add more meat to it. But anyways, I really like it

I hearby reserve the Swiss Empire
 
I'm going to be starting an alternate History. I will take it up to the 1800's. The PoD is The Battle of Larinum during the 2nd Punic War. In this history, Cunctator Fabius decides to stick to his Fabian Stratgey and doesn't reinforce Minucius, who is defeated by Hannibal. This showed the Italian People under Romes protection they could no longer count on Romes protection, just as Hannibal had planned. They were quick to seek either independence or protection under the Carthagian Empire. This quickened the revolts in Sicily and the Macedonian pledge of alliance to Carthage. Hannibal would receive reinforcements and make his much awaited charge at Rome. The people panic and rioted, overthrowing Fabius and electing Quintus Caecilius Metellus and Publius Cornelius Scipio as Consuls. They quickly made peace with Carthage. A large indemnity was paid to The Carthagians, and the Romans were limited only to 10 ship. They were to have no army.

This is just the introduction. A whole world update will be posted soon, as well as a map.
 
What would you preffer, Kal - me finishing the update today, or me doing that list Panda asked for? :p

Now that I'm actually here, might as well reply on other stuff:

Because he's not facing Romans, rather a disunited, tiny Germanic state.

Disunited... maybe. Tiny, especially in this time period, Bavaria is not.

That's subjective.

IMHO the 1st Century AH is hardly "Ancient", more like "Dark Age". Dark Cold War!

It wasn't that underdeveloped.

I mean the infrastructure, not the level of civilization. Its not connected enough, as the terrain is rather diverse and difficult.

Kal and Das, it looks simply amazing. I really want to pay the Gaellic Republic!

You might have some opposition from a certain Vietnamese Californian homosexual Francophile (not pointing fingers, though :p )...

Speaking of that, I certainly do hope that nobody other than me takes the Russian Republic, because I already have some plans for it...

Kentharu... firstly, that's a very different Hitler. Secondly, if he is just a painter, how does he affect the downfall of Drexler's party, and how is it overthrown without even coming to power? Thirdly, any such "FGSS" would simply be destroyed by civil war, the military would not allow this sort of stuff.

After reading on a while, I realized that the PoD seems to be much earlier than that. Austrian Federation, Russian Senate, Fascist Spain in 1932...

I will take it up to the 1800's

Ambitious, aren't we? :p
 
What would you preffer, Kal - me finishing the update today, or me doing that list Panda asked for?

Obviously the update, :p

Speaking of that, I certainly do hope that nobody other than me takes the Russian Republic, because I already have some plans for it...

Do you think they'll get the hint?
 
I think they better. :p
 
Its going to be very detailed, if if people like it, they can start pre-1800's, but IMHO, the 1800's are the best time period for NESing. Anywho, is their any glaring logical failings, or is it okay. Cause i already have the next century typed and Almost ready to go!
 
Problem is, the 19th century of this world will most probably be quite different. As for the PoD itself, am not exactly the specialist on this time period, and apart from the fact that Rome fell alittle too easy, IMHO all seems fine.
 
das said:
Disunited... maybe. Tiny, especially in this time period, Bavaria is not.

It's tiny compared to the Muslim world.

IMHO the 1st Century AH is hardly "Ancient", more like "Dark Age". Dark Cold War!

Dark Age is so... depressing.

I mean the infrastructure, not the level of civilization. Its not connected enough, as the terrain is rather diverse and difficult.

I think that the development of the Upper Nile is a bit underestimated... They were supporting advanced civilizations in 1000 BCE at least. I'd imagine a unified state might be able to hold together.
 
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