Alternate History Thread III

[Luckymoose]

HQ Japan, me please.

 

[das]

nothing against das, he is the undisputed master of alt-historians here and fully deserves to have alt-hist clones

Indeed I do, but how many clones do I actually GET out of all the clones that I deserve?! Honestly people are so lazy, most of them can't even write clone althists.

Anyway, quite interesting. A Jewish revival without all of that pansy Maccabean Hellenism.

 

[jeps]

Canada hurts to look at. And has nothing to do with the colours. Questioning whether US or French control of Ontario would be worse.

Probably french.

Je suis TRÈS heureux ce que cette est seulement une histoire alternative.

 

[The Strategos]

Anyway, quite interesting. A Jewish revival without all of that pansy Maccabean Hellenism.

Well, perhaps a temporary revival. They have the misfortune of being between Egypt and Phoenicia. What has saved them thus far is that both of these nations have been distracted and somewhat weakened by their losses in the Ionian War and in supporting Artobazanes against Xerxes. Undoubtedly their temporary alliance forged by fighting a common enemy will eventually wane and they will start sparing over Cyprus and Israel. To make matters worse for Israel, if either the New Babylonian Empire and Persian Empire can ever gain the upper hand over the other, some ruler will undoubtedly be driven to attempt to regain the glories of empires gone by.

 

[silver 2039]

Well what would it have really given them that internal evolution wouldn't have? The British "gave" India a national identity and some measure of effective civil service that it would have been very difficult IMHO for a native power to do (since they would have had to conquer and hold their gains whilst defending their power base - the British always had the external empires resources to fall back on).

India had far superior civil service than the British could ever dream of it. The Mughals had one of the best beuracracy and taxation services in the world and managed to tax large proportions of the population in an effective manner which the Europeans would not achieve till the Industrial Reveloution, and the British Industrial Reveloution might I add was finainced by the wealth of India, and further till the 1800's Indian owned 30% of the worlds GDP.

Also India had 2 united Empires before the British came both the Mughals and Marathas who were subcontinent spanning Empires. There is nothing to say that another power could not have united India as effectively as they did. Also India's national identitiy at the time hinged around those 2 Empires. During the 1857 Rebellion the rebels attempted to have the Mughal Emperor and the Marataha Peshwa entrnhed respoectively because they were the symbols of India to them, and their stated goal was to drive to British out of India. So India did "needed" Britian as much as a woman needs to be raped. India owuld have done fine on its own.

 

[silver 2039]

Oh I express intreast in Russian Empire or the British Empire respectively.

Heheh I could colonize the nation I just worked so hard to defed...

Make that intreast in Russia, Britian takes too much effort.

 

[das]

Questioning whether US or French control of Ontario would be worse.

That's right. Its quite obvious that it should really be Russian, now that Russia had turned its attention to North America again.

They have the misfortune of being between Egypt and Phoenicia.

Phoenicia is unlikely to remain united for long, and even then strikes me as an unlikely land military power. Rather, it is Israel's natural (and historical) ally. The Israelo-Phoenician alliance, backed by some Greek mercenaries, shall face Egypt in an epic war; the odds will probably be actually against Egypt here, as it will not be able to take naval supremacy, and will have lots of problems actually advancing through the Levant, with its heavily-fortified cities; as long as the effects of the revival do not wear out, the Egyptians will probably have to take the Israeli cities one by one, and that is hell. Basically the alliance will be able to win a war of attrition, or it could even break the Egyptian army in the battlefield with Greek help and/or invade the Delta.

Babylonia or Persia is more complicated, ofcourse.

 

[North King]

99% of which die within 4 updates or (usually) less. I have only been able to genuinely play it once. Your argument therefore carries no weight with me.

I have only genuinely been able to play it 0 times. Thus, you are a heartless person of evilness, and you will be ignored; unless, of course, you take the USA... *cackles*

 

[Symphony D.]

Do as you will. Just remember that evil has no bounds.

 

[North King]

I won't civil war you if you get the nation, and I would appreciate likewise courtesy.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Canada hurts to look at. And has nothing to do with the colours. Questioning whether US or French control of Ontario would be worse.

Probably french.

Je suis TRÈS heureux ce que cette est seulement une histoire alternative.

Well, it looks like my locale is about to become part of Russian North America.

I have always wanted to learn Russian... or at least figure out how to read Cyrillic.

 

[Symphony D.]

I won't civil war you if you get the nation, and I would appreciate likewise courtesy.

I generally hate rebellions, and I couldn't stand to play the South (or Canada; just not my thing) so if you get it first you don't have anything to worry about. I'm not a huge fan of Spain or Mexico either. So, to summarize: no, if I don't get it, I won't go out of my way to impede you.

 

[das]

I have always wanted to learn Russian... or at least figure out how to read Cyrillic.

And Old, pre-reform, Cyrillic at that!

 

[Harleqin]

I'll make a list of those who've expressed interest when I can find the time. Work is extremely tough right now, but I should have it ready tomorrow. I also need to think some more on the eco-system as I'd like to try and come up with some improvements to it. So far I'm juggling a few ideas.

I'll respond to what questions there are tomorrow as well

 

[Disenfrancised]

So...opinions on this map? year is 1915, tech level about a decade behind in most things. So anyway guess the PoD (its a more general thing and rather obvious), will it be fun to play (lots of possible rebellions obviously)?

I might mod it in three months or so after my next round of exams...need to fleash out the timeline as well.

Spoiler :

Notes: The NZ capital is an error, the Falklands is not (guess why)?

 

[The Strategos]

My initial thoughts is a more successful Napoleon's Egyptian campaign. My reasoning is it is the only reason I could think of for why France has an Egyptian and Middle Eastern presence. Then again, my grasp of modern history is fairly weak, so there could be some other event that I am unaware of that would explain it.

 

[Thlayli]

I agree Strategos, it's definitely something with Napoleon. I'd wager that he invades Britain as planned, and is successful.

Oh, and American Kamchatka ftw!

 

[jeps]

Napoleonic, has Spain invade Portugal with France. French armies are not too spread out, have more success. Also fighting on less fronts. England gets Weimered on the peace treaty.

Also, either alternately or supplementry, the War of 1812 and Napoleonic wars are merged. France and USA ally against UK.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Different revolutions of 1848?

Just to suggest something non-Napoleon.

 

[andis-1]

British lose trafalgar?