The Strategos
Thanatos
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But after finishing the Danes...
It is my opinion that you cannot have it both ways. You want the Imperials to both fight the Swedes and (below seem to suggest that they) take on the Protestant German Princes at the same time. One enemy at a time.
To Spain, even more important, but the French had by then become more keen on taking over the Spanish Burgundian lands, after the late 15th/early 16th century Italian misadventures proved that gains there were hardly tenable, if at all.
It is my reading of history that France was willing to subsidize whoever would fight the Hasburgs, wherever they would fight. With Danes defeated and the Swedes looking inward, that would leave the Pope, who is well known in OTL for wanting to both expand the Papal States and limit the power of the Hasburgs, which means an Italian venture. Of course the war will expand after that, but until the Swedish invasion of Germany, I'm thinking the main focus will be Italy.
What I mean is that the Imperials will doubtless attempt to consolidate their position and root out resistance (after provoking it with the Restitution and such).
Also, Wallenstein's fate here would be quite uncertain. I somewhat doubt that the Imperials would send him to Italy. Actually I suppose that he might become a deciding factor if he conspires with Richelieu, which would certainly be in-character. It might even work out for him. Then again, the Imperials might simply get rid of him after the war. Alternatively they might use him to impose their authority on the German states, as he had suggested. That would alienate the Catholic League, though.
You are also forgetting Pappenheim. I do believe that there were many other good Imperial leaders; don't have the time to check the Wikipedia, but even after losing Tilly and Wallenstein the Imperials fought on quite competently.
Agree about Wallenstein. Pappenheim was a good general, but extremely rash and better with smaller armies. He might be able to slow the Swedes down, or even temporarily halt them, but I guarantee sooner rather than later he will do a rash cavalry charge which will either kill him or utterly destroy his cavalry arm, leading to a giant defeat. And yes, there were other generals, von Mercy for example, but most of these good generals cropped up in the waning stages of the war post 1640s after getting good seasoning from the German war prior to that point. They either wouldn't be there (being where the fighting is) or would be lower rank for the initial Swedish invasion.
As for the Imperial consolidation, I still don't think he would go after his ally Saxony immediately, and if he waits, he will have his hands full with France/Papal States. But again, I see your point, and acknowledge that my timeline would be more likely if there were a butterfly effect of having the Danish war not be such a complete victory for the Imperials, which would make the Imperials more conciliatory with the Protestants.