silver 2039
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Looks like Japan tried to attack Phillipenes and got crushed by US and its Eastern Siberian ally.
Alternate History Thread III
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das
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It doesn't exactly fail; RSFSR is quite strong, stronger than it looks (though still weaker than the OTL USSR, ofcourse). And the Entente hadn't all that much to do with it, not initially anyway.
Nein!
Ja, but that's not the PoD. Also, depends on what exactly do you mean under "in the same vein" - Hitler is nowhere near power, though the Weimar Republic has also died earlier than in OTL.
No. Well, it did, but already as part of the Far Eastern War.
That much is true.
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Socialists have taken power?
das
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Nein! The opposite happened, really; the Nazis weren't the only right-wing movement in Germany, hell, they weren't even very right-wing themselves (in the traditional sense anyway).
das
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Nein to that too. The coup that occured was not even attempted in OTL, to the best of my knowledge.
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Well then...thats odd.
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Yes, yes it is.
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The PoD is not that Hitler was killed, since you at least did not make it sound as if he had died in an earlier statement. The combat was also not drastically changed, so it's not like the Germans surrendered earlier or anything. Again, it's a change of some individual, probably. The Weimar Republic also came into being, so it was not immediate military revolt at the end of the war or the German Revolution.
So, whatever happened clearly involves some individual or individuals of some later political importance, most likely on the German side.
Just throwing out a guess: Zimmerman note is never sent, and America either does not enter the war, or does not do so to any meaningful capacity? Overall American impact on combat was low until the very final stages and it was really the unrest at home, more than the inevitable arrival of American numbers, which brought Germany to its knees. They were still going to have to "race the clock" with their 1918 offensive anyway to outrun civil outrest, and even without American troops it could likely be repulsed; same net result.
The lack of American impact lessens Wilson's input and the treaty is altered variously; the French and British have a freer hand to exact revenge without American mediation. Germany still has to pay war debts, perhaps Austria was included too, and eventually the former annexes the later (and parts of Czechoslovakia) as a means of financing this. America's distance from the original conflict leaves the French and British willing to look the other way.
It's probably wrong, but it's a shot in the dark. Clarifiers: are there any ongoing wars, and what were the terms of Versailles ITTL?
So, whatever happened clearly involves some individual or individuals of some later political importance, most likely on the German side.
Just throwing out a guess: Zimmerman note is never sent, and America either does not enter the war, or does not do so to any meaningful capacity? Overall American impact on combat was low until the very final stages and it was really the unrest at home, more than the inevitable arrival of American numbers, which brought Germany to its knees. They were still going to have to "race the clock" with their 1918 offensive anyway to outrun civil outrest, and even without American troops it could likely be repulsed; same net result.
The lack of American impact lessens Wilson's input and the treaty is altered variously; the French and British have a freer hand to exact revenge without American mediation. Germany still has to pay war debts, perhaps Austria was included too, and eventually the former annexes the later (and parts of Czechoslovakia) as a means of financing this. America's distance from the original conflict leaves the French and British willing to look the other way.
It's probably wrong, but it's a shot in the dark. Clarifiers: are there any ongoing wars, and what were the terms of Versailles ITTL?
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Wrong. 
No official ongoing wars, although there are some insurgencies in the Philippines and the French Indochina. As for the terms of the Treaty of Versailles itself, they are, in the end, as in OTL (but with less emphasis on self-determination).
As a hint, you all are looking for the PoD in the wrong places.
No official ongoing wars, although there are some insurgencies in the Philippines and the French Indochina. As for the terms of the Treaty of Versailles itself, they are, in the end, as in OTL (but with less emphasis on self-determination).
As a hint, you all are looking for the PoD in the wrong places.
Insane_Panda
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By same vein I just meant another coup.
Israelite9191
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I have absolutely no clue about the PoD. I have a feelng it is in Russia, although the American dominated Cuba is intriguing.
Anyway, I must make a couple complaints about American city placement that seem to happen with almost every map:
1.) You have no Chicago? What is wrong with you!!!!
2.) St. Louis is completely off.
3.) Miami is far too far north.
4.) New York is too far south.
Anyway, I must make a couple complaints about American city placement that seem to happen with almost every map:
1.) You have no Chicago? What is wrong with you!!!!
2.) St. Louis is completely off.
3.) Miami is far too far north.
4.) New York is too far south.
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Das has always made odd America maps. We usually forgive him. Usually.
Israelite9191
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I agree. Normally, I look the other way, but recently several maps have turned up that, because they were based on das's maps, had horrid American city placement. It is my hope as an uber-nationalistic Chicagoan to secure their position on the maps of the NES forum.
jalapeno_dude
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So make a blank map with cities.Israelite9191 said:
Israelite9191
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I am not that capable, nor do I have the time. On the other hand, das appears to have time mroe than any normal mortal and the ability of a quadruple Ph.D.
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Don't quite think it is; it's "Celtic Green" (Spring Green) compared to the Aqua of America; the colors do look fairly similar though.Israelite9191 said:
