Alternate History Thread III

Here is the next installment. Again, PoD is in blue, changes are in green. All comments, criticisms, queries, etc. are welcome. Also, I would like to ask specifically for suggestion regarding the Middle East/North Africa, Iberia, Germany, and the Lollard and Hussite heresies.

EDIT: Oh, and, in particular, I would like to know if you all think that I handled the papal succession without the Western Schism crisis successfully.

The Age of Elisabeth – Timeline


1343 –
1.) Robert the Wise Angevine, King of Naples, King of Jerusalem, Count of Provence-Forcalquier becomes seriously ill.
2.) Elisabeth, Queen Mother of Hungary, arrives in Italy campaigning on behalf of her elder son, Louis I the Great Angevine, King of Hungary, Croatia, and Dalmatia to take the throne in place of her younger son Andrew, Duke of Calabria, heir to the Neapolitan throne.
3.) Robert dies.
4.) Pope Clement VI takes the side of Louis and Elisabeth over Andrew.
1344 –
1.) Louis I the Great Angevine, King of Hungary, is crowned King of Naples, King of Jerusalem, and Count of Provence-Forcalquier.
2.) Louis I and Stefan II Kotromanić, Ban of Bosnia, invade Zara declaring war on Venice. Zara is conquered and the Banate of Dalmatia is united with that of Bosnia as a reward to Kotromanić. The Republic of Ragusa is founded under Hungarian hegemony.
1345 – 1347 –
1.) Louis I, with significant aide from Kotromanić, campaign in the Herzegovinan principalities and Cumania (Wallachia and Moldavia) with significant success.
1347 –
1.) Kotromanić invades Serbia on pretenses of aiding dynastic relatives in Montenegro gain independence. Louis I joins and the War of Montenegrin Independence begins officially on May 20.
2.) Albania rises in revolt under Charles Angevine, Duke of Durazzo, cousin to Louis I of Hungary, and legal claimant to the Albanian throne.
3.) The Battle of the Zeta takes place on July 3. Combined Hungarian, Bosniak, Montenegran, and Albanian forces crush the Serb military.
4.) The Treaty of Belgrade is signed ending the war. The treaty is signed by a collective of Serb lords in place of Stefan Dušan, who has fled to exile in Bulgaria. Serbia becomes a Banate of Hungary under Charles, who also becomes the Prince of Albania.
5.) Balša I is crowned king of the newly independent Montenegro.
6.) Balša I and his three sons and heirs die under mysterious contexts. Kotromanić becomes the logical heir and is crowned king of Montenegro.
1349 –
1.) An assassination attempt organized by Charles I, Prince of Albania on the life of Louis I, who had only female heirs which would have allowed Charles to place a claim to the throne, is uncovered by Kotromanić. Charles is seized and executed by Hungarian forces and Louis I, the logical heir, takes the Albanian throne.
1351 –
1.) Louis I re-releases the Golden Bull of 1222, guaranteeing the rights of Hungarian nobility.
1352 –
1.) The Moldavian Voivodeship is founded out of Cummania by Louis I. Dragoş of Béltek Maramureş is sent by Louis I to establish a line of boundary against the Golden Horde. Dragoş continues the campaign extending Moldavia to the Dneister River.
1353 –
1.) Tvrtko I becomes Ban of Bosnia and King of Montenegro.
1354 –
1.) Byzantine Emperor John V Palaeologos appeals to Hungary for aide against the Ottomans. Louis I responds by sending a moderate force under Tvrtko, marking Hungarian entrance into the War of Adrianople.
1355 –
1.) Kazimierz Wielki III, King of Poland names Louis I, his nephew, as his successor.
2.) The War of Adrianople stalls and John V appeals for more help. Louis responds by sending another small army followed by a second soon there after.
1356 –
2.) The War of Ardrianople turns in favor of the Byzantines with The Fourth Battle of Adrianople. Most of the Hungarian forces, including Tvrtko, return home.
1358 –
1.) The War of Adrianople turns again, this time in favor of the Ottomans, with The Sixth Battle of Adrianople. John V does not request aide.
1359 –
1.) The Ottomans win the seemingly decisive Battle of Pentikion. John V seeks aide from Louis I but is denied.
2.) John V seeks aide again, pledging to hand over all Byzantine territory as far south as Kavala in Greece excepting the Golden Horn and Gallipoli. Louis I responds by personally leading a large force.
3.) Bâlc Maramureş assumes the Voivodeship of Moldavia.
4.) Bogdan of Cuhea raises a revolt in Moldavia. Bâlc flees into Transylvania and requests help from Esztergom, which sends a small force to prevent Bogdan from entering Transylvania, but nothing more.
5.) Proclamation of the first Orthodox Romanian Metropolitan Church in Wallachia.
1359 – 1360 –
1.) A series of decisive battles takes place between the Magyaro-Byzantine forces and the Ottomans culminating in The Eighth Battle of Adrianople. The Ottomans return to Anatolia.
1360 –
1.) Louis I redirects his attention and leads a large number of troops into Moldavia, crushing the fledgling rule of Bogdan and reinstating Bâlc as Vovoid. Bogdan flees to Walachia.
1361 –
1.) The Hungarian capital is moved by Louis I to Buda from Esztergom (Gran).
2.) Louis I invades Bulgaria.
1362 –
1.) Louis I defeats and captures Ivan Sratsimir, Tsar of Bulgaria, securing northern Bulgaria.
2.) Pope Urban V succeeds Pope Innocent VI in Avignon.
1363 –
1.) Byzantium wins the naval Battle of Megara against the Ottoman Turks.
2.) Epirus revolts against Byzantium, establishing a greater level of independence while the Byzantines are distracted defending against the Ottomans.
3.) Tvrtko invades and conquers Epirus, crowning himself Despot of Epirus.
1365 – 1370 –
1.) Louis I initiates a series of successful wars against Wallachia and Bulgaria. Wallachia is conquered in 1368, Bulgaria remains independent.
1366 –
1.) Decree of Turda negates nobility rights of the Orthodox Romanians in Transylvania, Hungary.
1369 –
1.) Jan Huss is born in Bohemia.
1370 –
1.) Kazimierz Wielki III, King of Poland, dies and Louis I the Great Angevine, King of Hungary, Croatia, and Dalmatia is crowned King of Poland.
2.) Pope Gregory XI succeeds Pope Urban V in Avignon.
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1371 –
1.) Tsar Ivan Shishman is crowned as co-emperor with his brother Ivan Stratsimir by their father Tsar Ivan Alexander, the supreme emperor. Bulgaria is significantly weakened by the split.
1372 –
1.) Louis I invades a weakened Bulgaria.
1373 –
1.) Ottomans defeat the Byzantines decisively at the naval Battle of Lesbos.
2.) Ottomans begin the invasion of Greece, landing forces on the mainland.
3.) Siege of Thesaloniki, John V Palaeologos requests aide from Louis I of Hungary, the request is denied as Hungary is tied up in Bulgaria.
1374 –
1.) Philip II of Taranto passes, leaving the Principality of Taranto and the Principality of Achaea to James of Baux.
2.) Mária of Hungary Angevine is betrothed to Sigismund of Luxembourg despite the wishes of Elisabeth of Bosnia Kotromanic, Queen Consort of Hungary and mother of Mária.
1374 – 1376
1.) Magyaro-Bulgarian War stalls with Hungary controlling the inner half of Bulgaria.
2.) The Ottoman invasion of Greece carries on with minimal Byzantine resistance but significant peasant uprising. John V requests help from Hungary several times but is denied. He also requests help from the West but is likewise denied.
1376 –
1.) Adronicus IV Palaeologos seizes the Byzantine throne, with the aide of Genoese merchants, from John V Palaeologos. Murad I Osman, Bey of the Ottoman Empire, intervenes restoring his ally John V to the throne.
1377 –
1.) The Avignon Papacy returns to Rome under the leadership of Pope Gregory XI at the behest of Catherine of Sienna.
2.) Treaty of Santorini signed ending the war between the Ottomans and Byzantines. Greece is handed over to the Ottomans and the Ottomans pledge to guarantee the independence of Constantinople under Byzantine rule.
3.) Pope Gregory XI condemns John Wycliffe.
4.) Władysław II Jagiello succeeds to the Lithuanian throne and becomes sole ruler.
5.) Polvdiv falls in late November. Bulgaria incorporated into the Hungarian Empire.
1378 –
1.) Johh Wyclif attempts to defend his theses before the English public.
2.) Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV of Luxembourg dies. His son Wenceslaus IV the Drunkard, Elector of Brandenburg, succeeds him as King of Bohemia and King of Germany. He is elected King of the Romans.
3.) Papacy permanently moved to Rome.
4.) Pope Urban VI elected Pope under pressure from the Roman mob.
5.) Antipope Clement VII elected at Fondi, establishes himself in Avignon. Western Schism begins.
6.) Louis I intervenes on behalf of Urban VI. He leads a large force into Italy while sending Tvrtko to lead a force in Provence, a holding of the Hungarian crown since merger with the Neapolitan crown, to besiege Avignon.
7.) France intervenes, sending a force to clash with the Hungarian one.
1379 –
1.) War of the Papal Schism continues with Hungarian and French forces clashing in Italy and Provence. Both sides make advances but neither is able to gain the upper hand.
2.) Radu I, titular Prince of Wallachia, and his son Dan I, titular heir to the Princedom of Wallachia, raise a revolt against Hungary. Forces under the loyal Bâlc Maramureş, Voivode of Modavia, are sent to suppress the rebellion. They meet moderate success before being forced to retreat by lack of supplies.
1380 –
1.) Battle of Milan takes place between Hungarian lead pro-Urban forces and French led pro-Clement forces. The battle ends in a draw with both sides retreating from Northern Italy to lick their wounds.
2.) The War of the Papal Schism continues in Provence with minor gains by Tvrtko.
1381 –
1.) The Peasants’ Revolt takes place in England. As a result Wyclif grows more unpopular among the elite.
2.) Kęstutis Alexander seizes the Grand Dukeship of Lithuania.
3.) The War of Chioggia comes to an end with Venice defeating Genoa.
4.) France launches a new offensive in Northern Italy. They are opposed by a weakened Venice.
5.) England enters the War of the Papal Schism in Northern France with a large invasion.
6.) Brittany revolts, siding with Pope Urban VI and joining England and Hungary.
7.) Second Battle of Milan takes place. French forces are soundly defeated by a Venice-lead alliance of pro-Urban Italian city states supported by Hungarian florins. France retreats from Italy.
8.) Battle of Kermartin takes place. Anglo-Breton forces defeat French forces.
9.) Battle of Évreux is fought between the English and French. French win a crushing victory through superior tactics. English retreat to stronger positions west of the Orne.
1382 –
1.) Battle of Orange is fought in Provence. Forces under the leadership of Tvrtko decisively crush French troops. Tvrtko marches on and lays siege to Avignon.
2.) Avignon falls. Clement VII and the rebel cardinals are executed en masse. Pope Urban VI is reinstated as the Holy Father for all of Catholic Christendom.
3.) Synod of London condemns the teaching of Wycliff.
4.) Treaty of Genoa signed by all involved parties. Provence is made a duchy independent of France, Brittany is made fully independent, and England takes control of much of northern France.
5.) Trieste donates itself to Hungary out of fear of being conquered by Venice.
6.) Louis I the Great Angevine, King of Hungary, Croatia, and Dalmatia, King of Naples, King of Jerusalem, Duke of Provence-Forcalquier, Prince of Albania, King of Poland, dies. His eldest daughter Mária inherits the throne. At the behest of her mother, Elisabeth of Bosnia, she immediately dismisses her betrothal to Sigismund. Elisabeth organizes Tvrtko’s placement as co-regent.
7.) Kęstutis Alexander, Grand Duke of Lithuania is taken prisoner and executed by the former Grand Duke, Władysław II Jagiełło, who regains the crown.
1383 –
1.) James Baux, Prince of Taranto and Prince of Achaea, dies. Mária seizes the principality of Taranto, a fief of Hungary. Charles II of Durazzo the Short Angevine inherits Achea.
2.) Stefan Tvrtko I Kotromanić, Ban of Bosnia and King of Montenegro and Mária wed at the urging of Elisabeth of Bosnia. Tvrtko receives the titles and holdings of Louis I.
3.) The Teutonic Crusades against Lithuania recommence.
4.) The Orthodox Romanian nobles in Transylvania are restored to their positions by Trvrtko.
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1384 –
1.) John Wyclif dies.
2.) Afyonkarahisar is secured. The Ottomans now rule all of western Anatolia.
1385 –
1.) Tvrtko sends Bâlc Maramureş, Voivode of Moldavia, to lead an invasion of Wallachia. After a serious of minor defeats he wins the decisive Battle of Târgovişte both Prince Dan I Basarab and his son Mircea I Basarab are killed in the fighting. The voivodeship is awarded to the Maramureş family for their service.
1386 – 1390 –
1.) Tvrtko and Maria institute a series of reforms, consolidating power in the Crown of St. Stephen and weakening the Hungarian nobility.
1388 –
1.) The Wyclif Bible completed.
2.) Mass persecution of Lollard followers of Wyclif’s teachings begins.
1389 –
1.) Pope Boniface IX succeeds Pope Urban VI in Rome.
1390 –
1.) Lords in southern Hungary raise a revolt demanding a re-issuing of the Golden Bull and an expansion of rights.
2.) Charles II the Short of Durazzo, Prince of Achea, begins secretly financing the rebels.
3.) Vytautas the Great Gediminaičiai, claimant to the Lithuanian Grand Dukeship the raises a revolt against the current Grand Duke, Jogaila Gediminaičiai Jagiellon in alliance with the Teutonic Order.
4.) Tvrtko leads an army into the south, engaging the rebels in several battles but makes little headway.
1391 –
1.) The nobles secure several key positions.
2.) Charles of Durazzo reveals his intentions and begins sending Achaean troops to aide the rebels.
3.) Charles of Durazzo dies mysteriously, assassination is assumed and Elisabeth of Bosnia falls under suspicion.
4.) Vytautas allies with Muscovy.
5.) The Ottomans invade Achaea from their positions in the southern Peloponnesus. Achaea is slowly annexed into the Ottoman Empire, leaving all of Greece except the Duchy of Athens and some northern territory in Hungary under Ottoman rule.
1392 – 1393 –
1.) The nobles begin loosing ground to Royal forces under Tvrtko, until the last stand at the Battle of Hódvásárhely (modern Hódmezővásárhely, Csongrád, Hungary). The battle was short and the few forces that fought for the rebels in the battle mostly fled.
1392 –
1.) Vytautas defeats Jogaila and takes the Lithuanian throne.
2.) Elisabeth of Bosnia, Queen Mother of Hungary, dies of natural causes.
1394 – 1396 –
1.) Tvrtko embarks on a second series of internal reforms eliminating defunct fiefs and reducing the number of noble titles. This includes the incorporation of Bosnia, Croatia, Dalmatia, and Montenegro into the holdings of the Crown of St. Stephen.
1396 –
1.) The uneasy peace between France and England of the Treaty of Genoa is shakily secured with the marriage of Richard II Plantagenet, King of England, Titular King of France, and Lord of Ireland to Isabella of Valois, Princess of France.
2.) Charles VI the Mad Valois, King of France invades Genoa.
3.) Genoa soundly defeats the invading French force. France is forced to pay significant reparations.
4.) Charles VI turns up dead in his bead in the royal palace, assassinated. He has no male heirs and only one living female heir, Isabella of Valois, Queen Consort of England.
1397 –
1.) War of French Succession breaks out upon the death of Charles VI. Louis de Valois, Duke of Orléans claims the throne as does Richard II, whose wife is the closest thing to an obvious heir.
2.) England invades France with the intention of securing the French throne for the Plantagenets. Burgundy and most of the French fiefs side with Louis de Valois, while Brittany and a few French fiefs, in particular ones with lesser power, side with Richard II. For the time being Provence, under Hungarian rule, remains neutral.
3.) Milan sends troops to aid Louis, who is married to the duke’s daughter.
4.) Genoa, Venice, Florence, and Bologna, in a surprise alliance, invade Milanese territory. Milan is destroyed and the alliance marches on to France
5.) English troops defeat Valois troops at the Battle Lisieux, securing northern France up to the Seine.
6.) The Ottoman Empire finishes the conquest of Anatolia up to the Black Sheep and White Sheep Turkomans.
7.) Thomas Arundel appointed and then ousted as Archbishop of Canterbury.
1398 –
1.) English win the Battle of Diepe. All of Normandy is now under English control.
2.) Anglo-Breton forces are defeated by Valois forces in the Battle of Batz-sur-Mer. Breton borders are pushed up to Nantes itself.
3.) Italian troops march across the Alps to attack Orléans from behind. They are confronted by a Valois army and are soundly defeated.
4.) Teutonic Order raids into Lithuanian territory resume.
1399 –
1.) The war quiets down considerably for several months with both sides gathering forces.
2.) An extraordinarily large force of English, along with Italian supporters, arrives in Rouen’s docks. The force begins marching for Paris.
3.) Louis diverts vast amounts of troops towards Paris in order to confront English forces.
4.) The forces confront each other at The Battle of Argeneuil. The battle is long, the forces involved tremendous in number, and the list of casualties never-ending, but the English emerge victorious over the Valois by a seeming stroke of luck. The English march on to secure Paris.
5.) Provencal forces, under the leadership of Tvrtko, launch a surprise attack against Languedoc and southern French territory. Burgundy is simply to weak to defend itself and does not put up more than a small fight.
6.) After securing southern France Tvrtko happily offers to moderate a peace between the English alliance and the Valois faction.
7.) Mária Angevine, Queen Consort of Hungary, dies of natural causes.
8.) Battle of the Vorskla River won by the Golden Horde against Lithuania, which was led by Vytautas.
9.) Warlike John V the Conqueror Montfort, Duke of Brittany, dies, his peaceful son John VI the Wise Montfort ascends to the throne.
 
1400 –
1.) Treaty of Nantes signed. Richard II secures northern France, including Paris, and the title of King of France. Louis is given the title Grand Duke of France and sovereignty over the remnants of the French Kingdom. Provence is expanded to include all of southern France excluding English Bordeaux. Brittany is returned to pre-war borders and the title of Duke of Brittany changed to Grand Duke of Brittany to reflect the fully independent nature of the state. The Milanese territory is divided between Florence and Bologna with Genoa and Venice gaining maritime rights and minor land gains in Italy.
2.) Richard II returns to England, where an angry and officially exiled Henry Bolingbroke has him imprisoned and seizes his crown and titles.
3.) Thomas Arundel retakes his place as Archbishop of Canterbury.
4.) Welsh rebellion under Owain Glyndŵr begins with Owain declaring himself Prince of Wales.
5.) A series of squabbles over the Holy Roman Emperorship results with Wenceslaus the Drunkard Luxembourg, King of Bohemia, King of the Germans, and King of the Romans being deposed in favor of Rupert III, Elector Palatine, Count Palatine Zweibrücken, and King of the Germans.
6.) Timur defeats the Ottomans and Egyptians to capture Damascus.
7.) Timur conquers the Black Sheep Turkomans and Jalayirid Dynasty. The leaders of both seek safety among the Ottomans.
8.) Timur sacks Ottoman Sebaste (modern Sivas) in western Anatolia.
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1401 –
1.) Timur raises Baghdad.
2.) Passing of De hæretico comburendo Act in England and France by Henry IV at the behest of the anti-Lollard Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Arundel. English translations of the bible are now illegal and heresy now punishable by burning at the stake.
1402 –
1.) The Ottomans loose the Battle of Ankara to Timur. The following infighting between claimants to the Ottoman throne causes a stagnation of the Ottoman rise in power.
2.) A Scottish raiding army under the Earl of Douglas is defeated by the English under Sir Henry ‘Hotspur’ Percy at the Battle of Homildon Hill.
3.) The Canary Islands are colonized for Castile by Jean de Béthencourt on the orders of Henry III the Infirm Trastámara of Castile.
4.) The Welsh rebels are decisively victorious, destroying the enemy army, over the English, who outnumbered them nearly 2:1, at the Battle of Bryn Glas near the Anglo-Welsh border.
5.) The former Duke of Milan, Gian Galeazzo Visconti, dies from illness as he prepares a rebellion against Florence and Bologna.
6.) Vicenza is conquered by Venice.
1403 –
1.) A peasant uprising occurs in Paris and the surrounding countryside. Henry IV and his son leave with a large force for France.
2.) Sir Henry ‘Hotspur’ Percy rebels against Henry IV and allies with Owain Glyndŵr of Wales.
3.) Battle of Shrewsbury takes place in late July in the north of England. Rebel forces under Sir Henry Percy face off against royalist forces. The Cheshire archers prove decisive in holding off the much larger royalist force long enough for rebel Welsh reinforcements to arrive. The rebels emerge victorious.
4.) Jan Hus begins preaching Lollard inspired teachings in Bohemia.
5.) The rebellion in France is put down and Henry IV returns to England.
6.) Henry IV marries Joanna of Navarre née d’Évreux, former regent of Brittany and daughter of the Navarrese king, Charles II the Bad d’Évreux.
7.) While the Ottomans are absorbed by internal struggles the Byzantines make a grab for Ottoman territory in northern Greece but are “advised” against this by Tvrtko.
8.) Vytautas ends the Lithuanian-Muscovian alliance and captures Smolensk and Vyazma.
9.) Georgia recognizes Timur as suzerain.
1404 –
1.) Owain Glyndŵr secures a triple alliance between himself, Scotland, and Sir Henry Percy’s rebels against England. Parliamentary assemblies begin in Wales.
2.) Pope Innocent VII succeeds Pope Boniface IX in Rome.
3.) Stefan Tvrtko I Kotromanić, King of Hungary, King of Naples, King of Jerusalem, Grand Duke of Provence-Forcalquier, Prince of Albania, King of Poland, dies and is succeeded by his son Stefan Tvrtko II Kotromanić.
4.) Peace and alliance against Moscow is signed by Lithuania and the Teutonic Knights.
5.) The Battle of Shipton Moor results in a defeat at the Hends of Henry IV of rebel troops under the leadership of Archbisop of York Richard le Scrope and Thomas Mowbray, Earl of Norfolk. The rebel troops retreat to better positions and join with forces under Sir Henry Percy.
1405 –
1.) Timur dies of fever while on campaign in China.
1406 –
1.) The Battle of Brassington is fought between the English rebels, Welsh rebels, and Scots on one side and the royal forces on the other. The royal forces are overwhelmed and the rebel alliance emerges victorious.
2.) Peace of Derby is signed. The independent Principality of Wales and Grand Duchy of Northumberland are recognized with the former under Owain IV the Great Glyndŵr, Prince of Wales and the Parliament of Wales and the later under Henry Hotspur Percy, Grand Duke of Northumberland. Man is secured as a definitively Scottish holding.
3.) Pope Alexander V succeeds Pope Innocent VII in Rome.
4.) Vytautas signs an alliance with the Novgorod Feudal Republic.
5.) Pisa falls to Florence.
1407 –
1.) The Grand Duchy of France invades that of Provence-Forcalquier.
2.) Tvrtko II responds by leading a large force into Provence.
1408 –
1.) Battle of Marseilles ends with a climactic clash between French and Provencal-Hungarian forces. Tvrtko II is killed be a random arrow in the back as Louis de Valois leads a surprise attack from behind. Hungarian forces are withdrawn from Provence.
2.) The death of Tvrtko II leads the ascension of Borić I the Young Kotromanić to the Hunarian throne and the regency of the Queen Mother Kujava née Radenović.
3.) The Treaty of Montpellier is signed by Kujava née Radenović, in the stead of Borić the Young as Duke of Provence-Forcalquier and Louis de Valois. Languedoc and other Provencal holdings outside of Provence’s own borders are handed over to the French Grand Duke.
4.) Vytautas is invited to become knyaz of the Novgorod Feudal Republic.
1409 –
1.) The Mac Carthy Mors and O’Briens of southern and Western Ireland lead a revolt against the English with support from the Scottish. The other de facto (some of them also de jure) independent clans of Ireland join the revolt.
2.) The Anglo-Irish lords, by now in large part Gaelicized, are convinced to join the rebellion at the Summit of Dingle, a holding of the rebel-friendly and Gaelicized FitzGerald clan.
3.) Battle of Kildare proves a victory for the Irish. Though not resulting in significant territory transfer, it does force Henry IV to go to Ireland with as much of an army as he could assemble to put the rebellion down.
4.) The Battle of Louth results in an English victory and the Irish rebels are pushed back from the Pale.
5.) The Battle of Tullamore proves a decisive rebel victory with Henry IV himself being killed in the fray.
6.) With absolutely no money to pursue the rebels, Henry V, the new King of England and King of France, is forced to sign the Treaty of Cork establishing the independent Republican Kingdom of Ireland.
7.) The Republican Kingdom of Ireland is formed with the Parliament, consisting of representatives of the rebel clans, the few remaining old kingdoms, and the Anglo-Irish lords, sitting in Cork.
1410 –
1.) The conquest of Sardinia is completed by the Aragonese.
2.) The Battle of Gulbene, one of the largest and bloodiest in medieval history, is fought in eastern Latvia between forces of the Teutonic Order and forces of Lithuania-Novgorod. Utilizing ingenious tactics, some of which were acquired from the Mongols, forces under the leadership of Vytautas the Great are decisively victorious over the Teutonic Knights.
3.) Pope Martin V succeeds Pope Alexander V in Rome.
 
"Republican Kingdom"? Huh?
 
Very similar to the Novgorodian system of the same period with more power focused in the noble families and less in the merchants (also comparable to Britain's House of Lords), but since feudalism doesn't exist in Ireland at this point in time it is termed a Republic Monarchy rather than a Feudal Republic.
 
Very similar to the Novgorodian system of the same period with more power focused in the noble families and less in the merchants (also comparable to Britain's House of Lords), but since feudalism doesn't exist in Ireland at this point in time it is termed a Republic Monarchy rather than a Feudal Republic.

The scientific term would be the Royal Republic (at least, its the one used when talking about Poland, along with Noble Republic). ;)

4.) Genoa, Venice, Florence, and Bologna, in a surprise alliance, invade Milanese territory. Milan is destroyed and the alliance marches on to France

Bah! :p But I suppose that such a coalition might achieve that. You do realise that this would mean a radical redrawing of the Italian map, right? Because some details can be appreciated; most notably, what exactly would the Genoese gain territorially, and how huge will Florence be now (because the Florentines may well replace Milan as the hegemonic power of northern Italy; with Florence's OTL flourishing added to this, Florence might become very strong indeed, possibly to the point of eventually recreating a "Kingdom of Italy" in the north).

1.) The Battle of Brassington is fought between the English rebels, Welsh rebels, and Scots on one side and the royal forces on the other. The royal forces are overwhelmed and the rebel alliance emerges victorious.

Considering the huge military power of early 15th century England (and the usual weakness of such military uprisings), I find an actual rebel victory extremelly unlikely. Especially as before Richard III's governorship Northumbria was quite impoverished as compared to the southern English lands; the English could simply raise another army and strike back. I'm pretty sure they would win a war of attrition.

Basically a victory of rebels supported by a minor regional power over one of Europe's strongest monarchies appears inherently unlikely; at least, I don't recall any precedents for the succesful seccession of an integral part of a kingdom in this time period.

Aside from that, great as always, and I'm interested to see where you would take the Lithuanian-Novgorodian offensive against the Teutons.
 
The scientific term would be the Royal Republic (at least, its the one used when talking about Poland, along with Noble Republic). ;)
Hmm, forgot about that. Will be changed duly.
Bah! :p But I suppose that such a coalition might achieve that. You do realise that this would mean a radical redrawing of the Italian map, right? Because some details can be appreciated; most notably, what exactly would the Genoese gain territorially, and how huge will Florence be now (because the Florentines may well replace Milan as the hegemonic power of northern Italy; with Florence's OTL flourishing added to this, Florence might become very strong indeed, possibly to the point of eventually recreating a "Kingdom of Italy" in the north).
I do realize that. Actually, I was trying to think of a way to get more changes in Italy, and this seemed a perfect way.
Considering the huge military power of early 15th century England (and the usual weakness of such military uprisings), I find an actual rebel victory extremelly unlikely. Especially as before Richard III's governorship Northumbria was quite impoverished as compared to the southern English lands; the English could simply raise another army and strike back. I'm pretty sure they would win a war of attrition.
Unlike normal, you seem to be ignoring how weakened England has been by the near constant war recently. They have almost no funds left after the wars in France, and what with the peasent rebellion around Paris drawing Henry and what remained of English power across the Channel, the English simply do not have the resources to raise a large army against the Northumbrian rebels.
Basically a victory of rebels supported by a minor regional power over one of Europe's strongest monarchies appears inherently unlikely; at least, I don't recall any precedents for the succesful seccession of an integral part of a kingdom in this time period.
Scotland really isn't that minor a power. They have been able to compete with England ever since the begining of the Hundred Years War and have on several occassions made serious gains into England and on one occassion nearly freeing Ireland. It should also be noted that the OTL Northumbrian rising under Henry Hotspur was not a laughing matter. At the OTL Battle of Shrewburry he nearly defeated Henry IV being narrowly killed himself. Given that in TTL the Welsh manage to ome to his aide on time and the Henry IV's leadership is absent, the rebel victory there seems assurred. Combined with the very powerful and very well financed rebellion in Wales (which in OTL was nearly successful), added support from Scotland, and the lack of resources and leadership among the English I would see rebel victory as very likely
Aside from that, great as always, and I'm interested to see where you would take the Lithuanian-Novgorodian offensive against the Teutons.
Well, the Battle of Gulbene is something of a TTL counterpart to the Battle of Grunwald, though with the changed circumstances I am enivisioning a somewhat different aftermath.

Wow, I must have done well this time, what with so few criticisms!
 
On the Iberian Front, I think that the changes so far would lead to a weakening of the Crown of Aragon, especially with Genoan and Angevin power.

In 1410, coincidently the last year of the current installement, Martin I died without a heir. Aragon was left without a King for 2 years, while trying to hold on to the recent aquisitions of Sardinia and Sicily, which respectively are expansion routes for Genoa and Hungary.

During the Compromise of Caspe, Louis III of Anjou is chosen as Monarch instead of Ferdinand. This happens for a myriad of reasons. 1) The influence from the Avignon anti-papists is gone, 2) The Anjou's would have increased their influence and holdings in Iberia since the Hungarians take their OTL Italian lands, 3) The nobles beleiveing they can jockey for control and power once this 8 year old is put in place.

But then all goes wrong in the fairly unstable Aragon at this cross roads in time. After this, Genoa sweeps in and takes Sardinia and Hungary Sicily(I'll leave the specifics up to Issy) capitalizing on the Domestic problems Louis the Kid is having.

As in OTL, James II of Urgell revolts because he wasn't chosen(and has a strong claim to the throne), but he is successful in TTL because of a) Genoan support since he grants them Sassari, which they have coveted for almost a century and b) the situation in Valencia. The Kingdom of Urgell is formed and recognized, and later takes back Andorra as well and is granted the title Count of Barcelona. Its borders even out at pretty much OTL Catalonia in the end

Gandia revolts under Alfonso II and are supported by both the Angevines and Genoa. The Grand Duchy of Gandia is formed, which is basically the Kingdom of Valenica without Murcia(which is controlled by Castile)

Thusly, Iberia is characterized by a very weak Aragon that is fully inland, a rising Urgell, a Trastamara dynasty that is in Castile only a still intact and strong Charles III of Navarre and a Genoa supported Granada.

Castile and the Trastamara, always looking to expand, claim Portugal again and wage war. Issy can figure that one out, but it a) makes Prince Henry instead fight on the land and b) allows Genoa to conquer Ceuta

Genoa is a major player now, having gotten Corsica, Sardinia and the Baelerics, Ceuta out of this power play, and a strong alliance with Granada as well as great trade relations with Urgell and a semi-client commercial state in Gandia.

The Hungarian Empire now controls Naples, Sicily and Malta

Iberia becomes a very intrigueing place indeed.

Will research other area's later.
 
Scotland really isn't that minor a power. They have been able to compete with England ever since the begining of the Hundred Years War and have on several occassions made serious gains into England and on one occassion nearly freeing Ireland. It should also be noted that the OTL Northumbrian rising under Henry Hotspur was not a laughing matter. At the OTL Battle of Shrewburry he nearly defeated Henry IV being narrowly killed himself. Given that in TTL the Welsh manage to ome to his aide on time and the Henry IV's leadership is absent, the rebel victory there seems assurred. Combined with the very powerful and very well financed rebellion in Wales (which in OTL was nearly successful), added support from Scotland, and the lack of resources and leadership among the English I would see rebel victory as very likely

Tactically they may well win, but I doubt the long-term durability of this victory. Just how strong is the Northumbrian regional identity anyway?

Well, the Battle of Gulbene is something of a TTL counterpart to the Battle of Grunwald, though with the changed circumstances I am enivisioning a somewhat different aftermath.

There is a basic difference. While Poland-Lithuania was best poised to take over (well, limitedly so anyway) East Prussia, Lithuania and Novgorod are able to threaten Livonia, which is for many reasons a much better target than East Prussia. Lithuania-Novgorod could become a great Baltic power, especially if the rest of Russia is conquered (note that the Steppe and much of the Volga may well remain in the hands of the various Tartar hordes; I doubt that they would seriously reform, though, this is more likely to be like OTL Central Asia, with several comparatively static Khanates).

Wow, I must have done well this time, what with so few criticisms!

True; also, as timeline grows more divergent various major althistorical events gain the appearence of greater realism, in my eyes at least. ;) Basically this means that the further you go, the freer you get.

a very weak Aragon that is fully inland

But likely to try and strike back! If Genoese-Venetian relations detiriorate again (and honestly, if they both are seeking advantages in the Western Mediterranean, some contention would appear inevitable), Aragon and Venice may sign an alliance against the unduly-powerful Genoa. An epic Western Mediterranean war ensues; the Hafsids may well play a part.

On the Heresies, I suspect that the Hussite one won't become that far-gone, or even that prominent, in a more stable religious situation. Some sort of Catholic reform may even be possible.

On the other hand, the Papacy may want to reassert its authority with brutality; having slaughtered the Antipope and his Cardinals, they set a... promising precedent. In that case, Europe could be torn apart by vicious religious wars a century earlier. What fun! ;)
 
Maybe Das, but Genoa is logically going to be the winner. In any case, such an alliance could prompt an oppurtunistic Hungarian Ruler to sweep down and take Venice's Adriatic Holdings, and the Papal State could annex the city itself.

I think Genoa is going to be the first major colonial power as well, since Portugal and Castile are either fighting, or Castile takes over Portugal. But the Genoans would have the ability to send off Giovanni Caboto, Cristoforo Colombo, Amerigo Vespucci, Giovanni da Verrazzano and would no doubt finance the others who were willing to risk it. Genoans were the chief financers of Spainish Explorations in OTL.

Castile, after it regrouped as the Western Iberian power, could follow suit with Genoa and send out explorers of its own and Navarre would no doubt jump into the game as well.

I see Genoa and Castile rivaling each other in Africa, Genoa taking most of Central and South America with Castile and Navarre also competeing for Carribean and and the surrounding areas. I see Scotland/Ireland/Wales getting involved in North America, with TTL England focused more on the continent, France a Flanders/Lowland Countries.

Assuming things go as OTL in Scandinavia, I think the Kalmar Union getting involved in the Quebec/Hudson Bay/Newfoundland region colonial is not at all unrealistic.


Will post my musings on North Africa and Middle East as well, and with that the effects on India and Asia.

This Timeline rocks my socks:goodjob:
 
I think Genoa is going to be the first major colonial power as well, since Portugal and Castile are either fighting, or Castile takes over Portugal. But the Genoans would have the ability to send off Giovanni Caboto, Cristoforo Colombo, Amerigo Vespucci, Giovanni da Verrazzano and would no doubt finance the others who were willing to risk it. Genoans were the chief financers of Spainish Explorations in OTL.

Would this not last until the point where Castile refused Genoans through into the atlantic (probably spawning a war)
 
Would this not last until the point where Castile refused Genoans through into the atlantic (probably spawning a war)
The Genoans own Ceuta and are allied with Granada which controls the other half of Gibralter. Whether the Castillians want them through or not doesn't really matter.

Of course these are just suggestions for Israelite
 
Maybe Das, but Genoa is logically going to be the winner.

By what logic exactly?

Btw, Israelite, how are the Genoese doing in Crimea?

In any case, such an alliance could prompt an oppurtunistic Hungarian Ruler to sweep down and take Venice's Adriatic Holdings, and the Papal State could annex the city itself.

I do believe the Hungarians already did grab the Adriatic holdings. While the Papal State will either be busy with religious affairs or, if it becomes more concerned about the temporal Italy, will support Venice - as the natural counter to the all-too-powerful (and nearby) Florence, on which some later Popes DID have designs in OTL. Its simple geopolitical logic.

I think Genoa is going to be the first major colonial power as well, since Portugal and Castile are either fighting, or Castile takes over Portugal. But the Genoans would have the ability to send off Giovanni Caboto, Cristoforo Colombo, Amerigo Vespucci, Giovanni da Verrazzano and would no doubt finance the others who were willing to risk it. Genoans were the chief financers of Spainish Explorations in OTL.

Mediterranean powers didn'thave much of a motivation to explore. If the Genoese manage to dominate the Mediterranean, they would be extremelly uninterested in westwards exploration. Although, if the Ottomans cut off their access to the eastern trade as in OTL, the Genoese might attempt something like that.

Navarre would no doubt jump into the game as well.

Why would Navarre itself do so? Just because a few Basque fishermen (who I believe lived a bit to the west from Navarre, mostly) took to far western expeditions?

Navarre has better things to do, like survive. It would need all the funds it could get for defense and dynastic intrigue in nearby realms.

I see Scotland/Ireland/Wales getting involved in North America, with TTL England focused more on the continent, France a Flanders/Lowland Countries

That much is probable. Scotland is naturally poised to become a great colonial power here. Maybe it could exploit its victories further, to unite the British Islands (sans loyalist England)?

Assuming things go as OTL in Scandinavia, I think the Kalmar Union getting involved in the Quebec/Hudson Bay/Newfoundland region colonial is not at all unrealistic.

If things go as in OTL then the Kalmar Union would still not care enough about Iceland, much less things further west. It has Sweden to subdue and Baltic trade to dominate; and it would also try and take advantage of the Teutonic Order's likely destruction.
 
Why would Navarre itself do so? Just because a few Basque fishermen (who I believe lived a bit to the west from Navarre, mostly) took to far western expeditions?

Navarre has better things to do, like survive. It would need all the funds it could get for defense and dynastic intrigue in nearby realms.

The Basques generally were located in the region of Navarre and the neighboring regions in Castille; both areas had a fairly advanced shipbuilding sector, but it was all... ahem... "free enterprise", if I may be anachronistic. Private individuals did most of the investing; Navarre stayed out of most of it.

So while it's somewhat romantic to have the Basques conquering the New World, it would be somewhat unlikely; at best, you'll have a Basque Newfoundland. Which would be pretty interesting, at that...
 
On the Iberian Front, I think that the changes so far would lead to a weakening of the Crown of Aragon, especially with Genoan and Angevin power.

In 1410, coincidently the last year of the current installement, Martin I died without a heir. Aragon was left without a King for 2 years, while trying to hold on to the recent aquisitions of Sardinia and Sicily, which respectively are expansion routes for Genoa and Hungary.

During the Compromise of Caspe, Louis III of Anjou is chosen as Monarch instead of Ferdinand. This happens for a myriad of reasons. 1) The influence from the Avignon anti-papists is gone, 2) The Anjou's would have increased their influence and holdings in Iberia since the Hungarians take their OTL Italian lands, 3) The nobles beleiveing they can jockey for control and power once this 8 year old is put in place.

But then all goes wrong in the fairly unstable Aragon at this cross roads in time. After this, Genoa sweeps in and takes Sardinia and Hungary Sicily(I'll leave the specifics up to Issy) capitalizing on the Domestic problems Louis the Kid is having.

As in OTL, James II of Urgell revolts because he wasn't chosen(and has a strong claim to the throne), but he is successful in TTL because of a) Genoan support since he grants them Sassari, which they have coveted for almost a century and b) the situation in Valencia. The Kingdom of Urgell is formed and recognized, and later takes back Andorra as well and is granted the title Count of Barcelona. Its borders even out at pretty much OTL Catalonia in the end

Gandia revolts under Alfonso II and are supported by both the Angevines and Genoa. The Grand Duchy of Gandia is formed, which is basically the Kingdom of Valenica without Murcia(which is controlled by Castile)

Thusly, Iberia is characterized by a very weak Aragon that is fully inland, a rising Urgell, a Trastamara dynasty that is in Castile only a still intact and strong Charles III of Navarre and a Genoa supported Granada.

Castile and the Trastamara, always looking to expand, claim Portugal again and wage war. Issy can figure that one out, but it a) makes Prince Henry instead fight on the land and b) allows Genoa to conquer Ceuta

Genoa is a major player now, having gotten Corsica, Sardinia and the Baelerics, Ceuta out of this power play, and a strong alliance with Granada as well as great trade relations with Urgell and a semi-client commercial state in Gandia.

The Hungarian Empire now controls Naples, Sicily and Malta

Iberia becomes a very intrigueing place indeed.

Will research other area's later.
Interesting, but the events following the Compromise don't seem quite stable, in particular I can't see Castile being able to conquer Portugal, nor the revolt in Aragon going quite as it did. Thankyou for the ideas though, I needed them.
Tactically they may well win, but I doubt the long-term durability of this victory. Just how strong is the Northumbrian regional identity anyway?
Quite strong, actually. Northumbria was about the last Anglo-Saxon nation to be integrated into a united England, and ever since they continually revolted. I would say that with Scottish and Welsh (and possibly Irish) allies, Northumbria would have a firm base on which to build itself up. Also, given that England has lost so badly against the revolts (I may come up with a unified name for the revolts, something like the War of Revolution, but better) it would naturally turn towards the Continent more. Additionally, a strong Scotland backing up England's other enemies would further turn England towards the Continent.
There is a basic difference. While Poland-Lithuania was best poised to take over (well, limitedly so anyway) East Prussia, Lithuania and Novgorod are able to threaten Livonia, which is for many reasons a much better target than East Prussia. Lithuania-Novgorod could become a great Baltic power, especially if the rest of Russia is conquered (note that the Steppe and much of the Volga may well remain in the hands of the various Tartar hordes; I doubt that they would seriously reform, though, this is more likely to be like OTL Central Asia, with several comparatively static Khanates).
Hmm, good points. An even faster fall of the Teutonic Order, particularly in Livonia, seems likely from what you say. Interesting, I will have to think about this.
But likely to try and strike back! If Genoese-Venetian relations detiriorate again (and honestly, if they both are seeking advantages in the Western Mediterranean, some contention would appear inevitable), Aragon and Venice may sign an alliance against the unduly-powerful Genoa. An epic Western Mediterranean war ensues; the Hafsids may well play a part.
Yes, I am highly doubting that Aragon would so easily give up its power on the Mediterranean, given that that is where they focused for so long. Now, the epic Western Mediterranean war you speak of does sound likely, although as I am writing the next segment I am thinking that by the time the war breaks out, if it does, the geopolitics will be significantly different. You have any more information about the Hafsids? I don't have a great background knowledge on them and I am finding very little on them in my personal library, my father's, or online.
On the Heresies, I suspect that the Hussite one won't become that far-gone, or even that prominent, in a more stable religious situation. Some sort of Catholic reform may even be possible.

On the other hand, the Papacy may want to reassert its authority with brutality; having slaughtered the Antipope and his Cardinals, they set a... promising precedent. In that case, Europe could be torn apart by vicious religious wars a century earlier. What fun! ;)
Good points, although I am reconsidering the OTL direction of Lollardism in the west, which may end up affecting the direction of Hussism in the east.
Btw, Israelite, how are the Genoese doing in Crimea?
About OTL. TTL events have not really affected Genoese power in Crimea yet.
I do believe the Hungarians already did grab the Adriatic holdings. While the Papal State will either be busy with religious affairs or, if it becomes more concerned about the temporal Italy, will support Venice - as the natural counter to the all-too-powerful (and nearby) Florence, on which some later Popes DID have designs in OTL. Its simple geopolitical logic.
Correct, the Hungarians did grab the Venetian Adriatic holdings (though not Crete and their Greek holdings) early on. As for the Papal States, I would imagine that they stay rather uninvolved. However, Florence seems a likely contender to try and seize Venice and her holdings in the Italian mainland.
Mediterranean powers didn'thave much of a motivation to explore. If the Genoese manage to dominate the Mediterranean, they would be extremelly uninterested in westwards exploration. Although, if the Ottomans cut off their access to the eastern trade as in OTL, the Genoese might attempt something like that.
True, but I have to side with Swiss, though mainly for a different reason. In particular, as I've said breifly before, the Ottoman Empire in TTL, at least in my mind, is likely to become a Mediterranean naval power given that it has been pushed for the most part out of the Balkans (ignoring Greece) and thus affairs in the greater Central European realm. Additionally, an Ottoman naval power is also obviously going to want control over the Black Sea. Thus, the Ottomans may well come into conflict with Genoa over control of both the Med and the Crimea. This may in turn spawn the Genoese to seek new wealth and power beyond Gibraltar.
Why would Navarre itself do so? Just because a few Basque fishermen (who I believe lived a bit to the west from Navarre, mostly) took to far western expeditions?

Navarre has better things to do, like survive. It would need all the funds it could get for defense and dynastic intrigue in nearby realms.
It should be noted that Navarre at this point, unlike most of Europe, is for the most part not entangled in the dynastic struggles of the rest of Europe. They may, in fact, seek salvation by establishing a colonial empire to fund homeland defense. I will have to contemplate this one, and see how the time line continues to pan out.
That much is probable. Scotland is naturally poised to become a great colonial power here. Maybe it could exploit its victories further, to unite the British Islands (sans loyalist England)?
Scotland becoming a colonial power, yes. Whether Scotland could unite the Celtic nations? That is a little doubtful. All of the Celtic nations are fiercely independent, in particular towards the English but also towards any other power, including fellow Celts (see Groundskeep Willie of The Simpsons' following rant for an idea of the fierce native identity: "Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like Englishmen and Scots, or Welshmen and Scots, or Japanese and Scots, or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, ruined Scotland!). Ireland might be a possible union with Scotland, given the right circumstances, but a union with Wales seems very unlikely.
If things go as in OTL then the Kalmar Union would still not care enough about Iceland, much less things further west. It has Sweden to subdue and Baltic trade to dominate; and it would also try and take advantage of the Teutonic Order's likely destruction.
If things go like OTL then the Kalmar Union won't exist. Anywho, should a strong Lithuania-Russia arise in the East Baltic significantly defeating the Scandinavians for Baltic control the Scandinavians may well turn westward, though it is far from certain. I will have to consider it further.
The Basques generally were located in the region of Navarre and the neighboring regions in Castille; both areas had a fairly advanced shipbuilding sector, but it was all... ahem... "free enterprise", if I may be anachronistic. Private individuals did most of the investing; Navarre stayed out of most of it.
Yes, Navarre sat smack dab in the middle of the Basque territory. In fact, Navarre was a Basque state, just as Castile and Aragon were Spanish ones. Hmm, an unfortunate truth about Navarese seafaring that, though the geopolitics of TTL may change that somewhat.
So while it's somewhat romantic to have the Basques conquering the New World, it would be somewhat unlikely; at best, you'll have a Basque Newfoundland. Which would be pretty interesting, at that...
Very true. Any form of Basque colonialism in and of itself would be amazing.
 
Yes, Navarre sat smack dab in the middle of the Basque territory. In fact, Navarre was a Basque state, just as Castile and Aragon were Spanish ones. Hmm, an unfortunate truth about Navarese seafaring that, though the geopolitics of TTL may change that somewhat.

Just to add more agreement: certainly a Basque state. Perhaps the only time the Basques actually held influence outside their own historical territories.

Anyway, I can't see anything beyond limited exploration by individuals, and the chronic Basques hiring themselves out as pilots and such. And building just about every Spanish ship.
 
Just to add more agreement
:D
Anyway, I can't see anything beyond limited exploration by individuals, and the chronic Basques hiring themselves out as pilots and such. And building just about every Spanish ship.
That does seem the most likely route.
 
Scotland becoming a colonial power, yes. Whether Scotland could unite the Celtic nations? That is a little doubtful. All of the Celtic nations are fiercely independent, in particular towards the English but also towards any other power, including fellow Celts (see Groundskeep Willie of The Simpsons' following rant for an idea of the fierce native identity: "Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like Englishmen and Scots, or Welshmen and Scots, or Japanese and Scots, or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, ruined Scotland!). Ireland might be a possible union with Scotland, given the right circumstances, but a union with Wales seems very unlikely.

With the leverage of colonial Wealth, its likly to either seek conquest, or Dynastic unity of these realms/
 
The Basques generally were located in the region of Navarre and the neighboring regions in Castille; both areas had a fairly advanced shipbuilding sector, but it was all... ahem... "free enterprise", if I may be anachronistic. Private individuals did most of the investing; Navarre stayed out of most of it.

My point exactly. A Navarrese colonial empire is unlikely, at best there would be some Basque settlements.

Scotland becoming a colonial power, yes. Whether Scotland could unite the Celtic nations? That is a little doubtful. All of the Celtic nations are fiercely independent, in particular towards the English but also towards any other power, including fellow Celts (see Groundskeep Willie of The Simpsons' following rant for an idea of the fierce native identity: "Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like Englishmen and Scots, or Welshmen and Scots, or Japanese and Scots, or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, ruined Scotland!). Ireland might be a possible union with Scotland, given the right circumstances, but a union with Wales seems very unlikely.

If a Scottish-English union still worked in OTL, why can't a Scottish-Welsh one (given time, ofcourse)? It is obvious that the non-English states of the British Isles will exist under Scottish hegemony, and the Scots might want to push that further. The English threat and the general growth of external and internal commerce are serious unifying factors.

A continental English Empire versus a Scottish-led maritime British Empire would be very original, don't you think?
 
If a Scottish-English union still worked in OTL, why can't a Scottish-Welsh one (given time, ofcourse)? It is obvious that the non-English states of the British Isles will exist under Scottish hegemony, and the Scots might want to push that further. The English threat and the general growth of external and internal commerce are serious unifying factors.

A continental English Empire versus a Scottish-led maritime British Empire would be very original, don't you think?
There is a key difference between the Anglo-Scottish union of OTL and the proposed Caledonio-Welsh or Hiberno-Scottish union of TTL. Basically, Scotland is a power in this NES, but it doesn't have the same dominance that England did in OTL. It alos has a severe population problem. Where as in OTL England was far more populace than Scotland, Wales, or Cornwall, in TTL Scotland simply does not have the population to dominate over Wales, and most definately not to dominate over Ireland. Still, a possible union of necessity on equal terms might work, and the idea of a continental England and a Scottish maritime is very intruiging. The final decision, of course, will come down to where the timeline leads me.
 
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