Amazon blocks sale of rape videogame

[Riffraff]

Again, what does this have to do with free speech? Nobody is banning the game. Amazon just isn't selling it.

Not disagreeing in this case, but in general free speach can be impaired even without the state getting involveed.

On topic: Agree that this game is sick, but GTA is certainly no better.

 

[woody60707]

I was thinking about that. I think part of the reasons that revulsions against rape is more universal than revulsion about murder is that sometimes, killing someone is legit. sometimes its the right thing to do, sometimes its immoral NOT to do it. there are no realistic circumstances where raping someone is acceptable.

Not sure if you count it as the same, but rape fantasies (how to keep this PG?) in the bedroom are,...umm cool/fun (i'm really trying to keep this clean lol)

I've know some ladies that enjoy taking this thing VERY far. One is married and a good mother to her kid. So there are times when rape is ok. I know some people think this is sick, but some people think being gay is sick too. But if your not hurting anyone, people should keep there noise out of other peoples private lives.

 

[azzaman333]

At least if they're raping in a video game, they aren't doing it in the real world.

Until they level up.

 

[GoodGame]

Why can you rationalize his assassination when you can't rationalize JFK's? Becauase one is obviously 'evil' while the other was obviously 'good'? And we are all supposed to call you first before assassinating anybody just to make sure they are 'evil' enough?

JFK apparently ordered the assassination of Fidel Castro. Is he evil enough to be assassinated? Is JFK evil enough because he ordered it?

In this case it has to do with tolerance.

You have serious projection problems, imagining other people are your intellectual inferiors. I can so rationalize JFK's assasination. Why would I though? I'm am American citizen. If you couldn't rationalize Hitler's assasination, I suspect you are either a sincere pacifist, or someone highly at odds with American culture. Was Castro's assasination actually carried out? Did that not perhaps have something to do with him seeking to allow nuclear missiles on the shores of the USA? Wouldn't that amount to mass murder on the American mainland? No??????????


Rape is not a matter of tolerance, ever.

@Woody, you discribe simulated rape. If it really was rape, there'd be zero consent. There is consent in the BDSM/whateverness in the private bedroom. Rape is a public crime, not a private pleasure.

 

[TheLastOne36]

I don't mind having kids play shooting games, but them playing raping games? i think that's way to much. As for adults playing the game, well they probably have no life and probably can't get a girl anyway.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You have serious projection problems, imagining other people are your intellectual inferiors.

Did I ever claim you were inferior to me in any way? I'm merely being Socratic. Was he condescending too?

If you couldn't rationalize Hitler's assasination, I suspect you are either a sincere pacifist, or someone highly at odds with American culture.

Or perhaps I'm more Christian than most Christians are? Murder is bad, m'kay. So is rape, but murder is worse. IMO of course.

Was Castro's assasination actually carried out?.

Yes, it was. Look it up.

Did that not perhaps have something to do with him seeking to allow nuclear missiles on the shores of the USA?

Since it happened before, I'd say no. Look it up. But either way it's certainly no excuse since the US did exactly the same thing stationing IRBMs in Turkey. Does that mean the Soviet Union should have been able to assassinate JFK?

Rape is not a matter of tolerance, ever.

Once again, we're not talking rape here. We are talking about obvious fantasy. You seem to have a problem with tolerating positions and views different than your own.

And what about Marquis de Sade? Is is wrong for Amazon.com to have his novels detailing rapes on their site?

 

[GoodGame]

Ok then, so is any fantasy appropriate for public consumption? Do you ever draw the line between fantasy and conspiracy?

 

[Masquerouge]

I don't mind having kids play shooting games, but them playing raping games?

You have no issues with a kid playing GTA? Because to me that's pretty sick too.

As for adults playing the game, well they probably have no life and probably can't get a girl anyway.

You're probably very wrong. Just because you have an active sexual life does not mean you don't have fantasies.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You have no issues with a kid playing GTA? Because to me that's pretty sick too.

I am actually pretty stunned at the amount of censorship parents exercise in this particular case. The kids obviously know what the game is about wihtout ever playing it. They obviously know that they shouldn't go around carjacking and murdering people. They also obviously know it is fantasy, just like playing Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians in the backyard.

I don't think we give kids near enough credit in situations such as this.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Ok then, so is any fantasy appropriate for public consumption? Do you ever draw the line between fantasy and conspiracy?

What do you mean by 'conspiracy' in this particular context?

And please respond to the Marquis de Sade aside...

 

[Masquerouge]

I am actually pretty stunned at the amount of censorship parents exercise in this particular case. The kids obviously know what the game is about wihtout ever playing it. They obviously know that they shouldn't go around carjacking and murdering people. They also obviously know it is fantasy, just like playing Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians in the backyard.

I don't think we give kids near enough credit in situations such as this.

Maybe we should define "kid", but there is definitely an age under which parents should censor which books they read, which movies they watch, and which games they played.

 

[aelf]

Nobody banned the game?

So freedom of speech is maintained as long as saying something is not legally prohibited? If all conventions of society prevent you from expressing something, that is not considered against freedom of speech? My, you must have a very narrow definition of freedom.

For the record, I'm not a freedom of speech fanatic. In fact, I don't believe in freedom of speech as many people hold it to be. I'm just curious how people think about this in detail, given the strong stances on freedom of speech I've seen here.

Aelf believes that freedom of speech means freedom to use Amazon to sell your wares unconditionally.

You better be joking. Otherwise, you might be simply taking this out of your bottom, because you don't know what I really think about this.

 

[mrt144]

So freedom of speech is maintained as long as saying something is not legally prohibited? If all conventions of society prevent you from expressing something, that is not considered against freedom of speech? My, you must have a very narrow definition of freedom.

For the record, I'm not a freedom of speech fanatic. In fact, I don't believe in freedom of speech as many people hold it to be.



You better be joking. Otherwise, you might be simply taking this out of your bottom because you don't know what I really think about this.

It was a joke. It's just that the way you put that down, it left it open to wild possibilities of what you meant.

Edit: Apparently Frommy believes this IS a freedom of speech issue. Not a right for a retailer to decide what they host on their site.

 

[aelf]

It was a joke. It's just that the way you put that down, it left it open to wild possibilities of what you meant.

I could also be joking, you know...

 

[warpus]

so what? if you raped for world peace in the game it would be ok?

How the hell would you rape for world peace?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Maybe we should define "kid", but there is definitely an age under which parents should censor which books they read, which movies they watch, and which games they played.

No doubt. I don't think I'd want any kid playing any violent video game until they get to the age where they understand that nobody is really dying; where it would bother them so much that they would have nightmares.

When I was 7, I went with my 4-year-old brother to the Saturday matinee on the base. It was a sci-fi movie where aliens were invading the earth. He started crying as though he thought they were actually invading. I didn't want to leave, but I knew that he wasn't ready for it yet so we left. I called my mom from the lobby to pick us up.

When I was 4, I started reading adult books to increase my vocabulary. At first, I had to look up nearly every word but that was the point. By the time I was 8, I picked almost all the books I read from the adult section of the public library. I used to bring them to school so I wouldn't get bored when we went as a class to the primary school library. The teachers never complained about it, and fortunately for me my mom was very tolerant about what I could or could not read.

I remember the first time I read an 'expose' about government corruption. My dad wasn't very thrilled about it. He wanted to make sure I understand that it was one man's opinions. That not everybody believed that way. Well, duh.

When I was 9, I started sneaking into my parents' bedroom to read Playboys, the Marquis de Sade, The Story of O, The Tropic of Cancer, Mandingo (apparently my mom had rape fantasies about black slaves...), you name it. They had quite an extensive collection of classic porn.

When I was 15, my parents first mentioned sex to me. Ha. Little did they know...

 

[Fifty]

Don't worry, Japan has pledged to stop creating this kind of stuff.

 

[holy king]

How the hell would you rape for world peace?

aliens come and tell you to rape a certain amount of women promising to force world peace as reward.

there. back story.

 

[Bill3000]

Don't worry, you can always buy it from JList if you want to fulfill your rape fantasies.

 

[GoodGame]

What do you mean by 'conspiracy' in this particular context?

CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense.

Premeditation might have been a better choice of word.