You and others are doing a backsliding defense by claiming it is no worse than other games on the market that feature violence and specifically the crime of murder...
Amazon blocks sale of rape videogame
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You and others are doing a backsliding defense by claiming it is no worse than other games on the market that feature violence and specifically the crime of murder...
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Bzzt. Wrong again. I'm merely pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of defending ultra-violent computer games while villifying this one.
Personally, I think Amazon.com is well within their rights not to sell this particular game, or any other merchandise for that matter. I also think they are well within their rights to sell the writing of the Marquis de Sade, even though he covers the same topic from a proactive perspective.
I also think the vendor has the right to create this and sell this video game, even though I would never personally purchase it myself.
Once again...
To understand free speech means freedom to speak what others do not like and even cannot stand to hear? ... Tolerating what you like is hardly a major achievement. Hitler tolerated what he liked. So did Stalin. Idi Amin did too. So did Genghis Khan, the Shah, and Henry Kissinger. Free speech only becomes an issue when someone says what others don't want to hear. Michael Albert
The same applies to video games. I bet there are some loonies out there who think Civ is 'evil'.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Damnit, now I need to find a new Valentines day Present for Fifty. 
Oh no, I'm totally into this stuff. I'm just explaining to people who think that it's surprising why people like me and you like it.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Ah. LOL. Well please take me off that list. While I'll defend your right to own and play it all day long as you see fit, I won't play it any more than I'd play the assassinate JFK game. Heck, I don't even like the "kill the terrorists" shoot-em-ups. I want to buy them all night vision goggles so they have half a chance.
I got full points on the JFK assassination game.
Us perverts should stick together. You don't need to hide it. I know you like this game.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Groping chicks on Tokyo subways is more my speed. When I first moved to NYC I used to think it was erotic being forced into close proximity of cute members of the opposite sex during rush hour. That quickly turned into a total revulsion of any crowded subway, which led to finding out where the best places to stand to avoid all human contact.
SS-18 ICBM
Oscillator
Can't see anything wrong with what Amazon did.
GoodGame
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All I want to say to this is if you invoke the bill of rights, you're still answerable to the SCOTUS, and they do provide limits on the scope of rights.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/speech/adultent/topic.aspx?topic=pornography
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California SCOTUS said pornography could be considered obscene if it met the criteria:
I think a modern SCOTUS would rule a game about rape as failing on the artistic, political, scientific value tests on top of being patently offensive. I know of now locality in the USA that says rape is legal.
And if there's child porn involved, it's clearly not protected by the 1st Amendment.
On these grounds, abridged versions (non-child porn) of Marquis de Sade's work would have some protection, being historical/philsophical.
ParadigmShifter
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Damnit, now I need to find a new Valentines day Present for Fifty.
Buy him some of those stockings with "Battle Rape" written down the side.
Mmm, nope, animated child porn is not legally considered child porn within the US. Obscenity laws are notoriously hard to enforce on a federal level.
No, seriously, you're saying that this is no worse than violent video games and that is hypocritical to defend the violent video games and not this one. Only when you say they are morally equivilent can hypocrisy exist. Violent video games are one thing, and many are repugnant, but this involves rape, forced abortion, underage characters, etc etc. Murder of a zombie looks downright honorable compared to that.
Also, you're beating a strawman in regards to free speech. No one has said the company doesn't have the right to publish it. Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument or thrashing of a strawman any more compelling. Free speech doesn't have any relevance here.
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If the Japanese morality board found nothing wrong with it that's clearly good enough for me! And it should be good enough for all of you as well. Fascists and rasists the lot of you.
aelf
Ashen One
Don't spit on the Japanese morality board. They're good at splitting hairs with folded steel.
Kraznaya
Princeps
ITT: I learned that rape is worse than murder.
Narz
keeping it real
But Amazon.com isn't Ferdinand Marcos or Valentine Strasser.
Narz
keeping it real
I just have to say this because it seems clear people are missing the point - reading a book about rape is not the same as acting it out via a video game. Needless to say any book that tried to make child rape socially acceptable would create an uproar.
Note : I know someone will mention Lolita but that isn't about rape.
Enkidu Warrior
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Amazon are generally pretty hardline in their 'sell absolutely anything' stance, at least they are here in Japan. I've seen successful campaigns to get vile racist stuff off the shelves here, but nobody ever even bothers to try with Amazon.
I'm sure they're still selling it on amazon.co.jp (EDIT: Yep, it's there. Don't ask for a link.)
That said, the less places selling this rubbish the better.
I'm sure they're still selling it on amazon.co.jp (EDIT: Yep, it's there. Don't ask for a link.)
That said, the less places selling this rubbish the better.
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