Belial
Warlord
Yeah, I only made a dotmap for the next two cities we should get. My screenshot didn't exactly cover that much. 
I can make one if you want, though.
I can make one if you want, though.
Amirsan3- Diety Newb Attempt- Join!!!!
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amirsan-you can change, fix or totally redo whatever you want on the dotmap. the orange dots are the city sites and the pink is the culture-expansion for each one. the orange dot at the top by the dyes does not have a city radius, cause wasn't sure where everyone would want it. wanted to try to get the cow and the dyes within that city
amirsan
King of all Kings
I did just some colors so it is easier to read here it is;
Belial
Warlord
Someone want to extend a couple cities out to where those dyes are? If possible, it would be in our best interest to get them, however, it's highly unlikely, we might even want to send our next two settlers out to grab as far north as we can and then fill that part in.
amirsan
King of all Kings
I have played already a couple of Diety games (all unsuccessful) and those dyes right next to the Chinese Border will be kinda hard to get unless we send our right next settler over there. Luxuries are a must in this level- a must.
Belial
Warlord
I've played on diety, really all I play on now. I've dominated a few games and just never finished them. I've got one going now where I'm not quite dominating, but I'm holding onto pretty well.
I also said that if we were to grab them, it would be our next settler, if we can't, it's no biggie, we can just settle them in the spot before them and eventually take it from them.
May sound like a pain to go to war, but we actually have very few luxuries and only one extra gem to trade for techs or another luxury. Of course, I'm open for any kind of win and I'll put forth any effort needed to achieve that.
I also said that if we were to grab them, it would be our next settler, if we can't, it's no biggie, we can just settle them in the spot before them and eventually take it from them.
May sound like a pain to go to war, but we actually have very few luxuries and only one extra gem to trade for techs or another luxury. Of course, I'm open for any kind of win and I'll put forth any effort needed to achieve that.
amirsan
King of all Kings
Hmmmmmmmm...
I'm thinking more of a Histograph win. That would be quite nice to one one, dont you think. Im kinda tired of Conquest and Domination and havent realy thought of Cultural or Spaceship. Its also up to you guys.
My vote is on Histograph and Spaceship.
I'm thinking more of a Histograph win. That would be quite nice to one one, dont you think. Im kinda tired of Conquest and Domination and havent realy thought of Cultural or Spaceship. Its also up to you guys.
My vote is on Histograph and Spaceship.
Belial
Warlord
Heh, I've never heard of a histograph win on diety. Usually space race is done before that... way before that.
amirsan
King of all Kings
Ohhhhhhhhh yeah! I forgot that we get to the Modern Age around the 1400s 
. I guess a histograph victory would be too exhausting . I could go for a Space Race then Its more of a challenge 
.
. I guess a histograph victory would be too exhausting . I could go for a Space Race then Its more of a challenge .
ControlFreak
Not An Addict, Really
Wow! You guys got a lot done in a weekend. Hey, if I play too slowly for you you can drop me in favor of someone that will play faster. I will probably take the full 24/48 each time and can't post over the weekends. I feel bad being the hold up all the time.
I Got It! And will hopefully post tomorrow morning. My initial look show things to be going well. I am happy that we have 2 luxuries, horses and probably iron. I am unhappy that we only have 2 native workers, are -3gpt and didn't get everyones WM in the MapMaking trading round. The good side of being in a corner on a Panagea is it's easier to defend but the bad side is we had to buy all our contacts.
I haven't made a dotmap (I'd rather get my turn done first.) but have some comments about Belials and Takeos:
Belial, are you recommending settling on the BG to grab the furs? I was going to Settle NW on the forest so we have more food available until I can get some workers.
Takeo, I think you did a good job of covering the map with our territory but there are too many unused tiles near our captial. The tiles near the capital are the most productive and can not be wasted. I would like to see more overlap so that we can get the most out of our ancient empire. Things might get a little cramped in the Modern Age but if we don't max our production, we might not make it to the modern age.
I would recommend moving Pink 2 tiles NE . Pink would overlap 4 tiles with Delhi. There will be room for fishing villages spread out along the coast, especially 1 on the hills grabbing the 2 fish and sharing the BG with Madras.
I would also consider moving Green NW by 2 tiles but that is not as important. Once out of Despotism, we could irrigate grasslands and work the two gold mines, it would be unfortunate to lose the 5g bonus. If Green were moved, then a fishing village could go on the original dot claiming the BG and lots of coast.
I also think Dyes city could be moved 1 tile SE on our side of the river. We'd need culture up there anyway to prevent flipping and there is a cow we'd be missing settling it where the dot is.
I feel bad being the hold up all the time.I Got It! And will hopefully post tomorrow morning. My initial look show things to be going well. I am happy that we have 2 luxuries, horses and probably iron. I am unhappy that we only have 2 native workers, are -3gpt and didn't get everyones WM in the MapMaking trading round. The good side of being in a corner on a Panagea is it's easier to defend but the bad side is we had to buy all our contacts.
I haven't made a dotmap (I'd rather get my turn done first.) but have some comments about Belials and Takeos:
Belial, are you recommending settling on the BG to grab the furs? I was going to Settle NW on the forest so we have more food available until I can get some workers.
Takeo, I think you did a good job of covering the map with our territory but there are too many unused tiles near our captial. The tiles near the capital are the most productive and can not be wasted. I would like to see more overlap so that we can get the most out of our ancient empire. Things might get a little cramped in the Modern Age but if we don't max our production, we might not make it to the modern age.
I would recommend moving Pink 2 tiles NE . Pink would overlap 4 tiles with Delhi. There will be room for fishing villages spread out along the coast, especially 1 on the hills grabbing the 2 fish and sharing the BG with Madras.
I would also consider moving Green NW by 2 tiles but that is not as important. Once out of Despotism, we could irrigate grasslands and work the two gold mines, it would be unfortunate to lose the 5g bonus. If Green were moved, then a fishing village could go on the original dot claiming the BG and lots of coast.
I also think Dyes city could be moved 1 tile SE on our side of the river. We'd need culture up there anyway to prevent flipping and there is a cow we'd be missing settling it where the dot is.
Belial
Warlord
I agree with some of your post, however, overlap of four tiles is quite a bit. I can understand up to three if we have very little room, but that is not the case, we have enough room to get out a second ring. Of course, I'm not saying don't overlap any as sometimes the best spot available may cause some overlap.
I also don't reccomend dropping pop to produce workers in Delhi, it lacks food now to produce settlers. If you want to draw one out of our core cites, that's fine but I don't think it will make too much of a big deal in the next twenty turns or so. Commenting on the dotmap, I'm also colorblind so they all look pink to me. Just make sure to keep on the river if available (which I'm sure you would do, but to making sure).
The city on or by the furs can be moved wherever, but it's still going to need a quick temple out of there to prevent from culture flipping to the mongols who will settle agressively right next to that city. I also think that will probably be the location of our FP, but that's not for a bit yet. The dyes are abit out of the picture, but nonetheless, it won't hurt to try.
As for the WM, I could have got one, yes, but we have enough map of our neighbors to be satisfied and I think the price to get one was very expensive so I decided against it.
Edit: Now that I look at it, if you move that city to the NW, it won't be on the lake and will need an aqueduct, whenever possible. try to build on the lake or river, saving aqueduct can be crucial because you can grow past six providing more production and not have to spend time putting shields into aqcueduct. It's not as a big a deal if the city is all worked and a core city as it should have high production.
Just my opinion, feel free to comment.
I also don't reccomend dropping pop to produce workers in Delhi, it lacks food now to produce settlers. If you want to draw one out of our core cites, that's fine but I don't think it will make too much of a big deal in the next twenty turns or so. Commenting on the dotmap, I'm also colorblind so they all look pink to me. Just make sure to keep on the river if available (which I'm sure you would do, but to making sure).
The city on or by the furs can be moved wherever, but it's still going to need a quick temple out of there to prevent from culture flipping to the mongols who will settle agressively right next to that city. I also think that will probably be the location of our FP, but that's not for a bit yet. The dyes are abit out of the picture, but nonetheless, it won't hurt to try.
As for the WM, I could have got one, yes, but we have enough map of our neighbors to be satisfied and I think the price to get one was very expensive so I decided against it.
Edit: Now that I look at it, if you move that city to the NW, it won't be on the lake and will need an aqueduct, whenever possible. try to build on the lake or river, saving aqueduct can be crucial because you can grow past six providing more production and not have to spend time putting shields into aqcueduct. It's not as a big a deal if the city is all worked and a core city as it should have high production.
Just my opinion, feel free to comment.
amirsan
King of all Kings
I agree with Belail on the City overlap and the worker producing. Every city should be independant in building thier workers instead of haveing other cities do it for them. Look around for trades on them.
@CF- Dont worry, we took the small break on Sunday
. At the most, what we could do is get some1 else to play along and place them before you so it would be filled in. We wont be thinking about dropping anyone for a small problem like that .
@CF- Dont worry, we took the small break on Sunday
. At the most, what we could do is get some1 else to play along and place them before you so it would be filled in. We wont be thinking about dropping anyone for a small problem like that .
ControlFreak
Not An Addict, Really
IT I like almost everything. Except for being -3gpt paying the AI. Also hate the fact that we haven't chopped the forest yet. If Delhi is our settler/worker producer then we are losing 2 turns per worker and 4 turns per settler without the food bonus. The forest should have been part of the granary build. Having that irrigated would also help Madras since we need irrigation there and the game tile is enroute. Trade WM to all civs for 1g. Shut off reserach as we will never get Poly before the other civs. Turn on research when Republic is available. Switch Madras to warrior. I ok building barracks but right now we just need cheap MPs for the settlers we're building. Bombay switch to worker because it will grow unhappy in 2 turns and we need more workers. Bombay with its food bonus is a good worker producer.
BT Ottomans complete colossus. Babs switch to Lighthouse.
(1) 1500BC
Madras warrior>warrior.
Bombay worker>warrior.
New warrior to delhi for escort. New worker to gems to speed road.
Warrior and archer explore. See 1-tile island in the south. Settler pair moves to iron hill next to barb warrior. Worker done roading forest E to BG to complete gems road and help Bombay. Bombay MM-Shields, grow in 1. Sell WM all around.
BT Chinese archer kills barb next to our settler pair.
They start Lighthouse, so does Japan.
(2)1450BC
Ivory connected
Acher near Ta-Tu move to coast. Ivory slave moves to chop forest in Delhi. Workers start roads. Settler continues north with escort. Slider turn off Luxuries. Big sheild overrun on settler can't be fixed with MM. Sell WM all around.
(3)1425BC
Chinese units are spoiling the landscape.
Delhi settler>settler.
Zulu's establish embassy with us.
Settler sent to plains S of FP near Iron. Warrior escorts him. Settler spear pair NE because chinese warrior in the way. See barb camp in the distance with a chinese warrior next to it. Will be a good show between turns.
Polytheism and Literature are now out. (min sci would not have succeeded)
Chinese, Zulu and Babylon have Math,CofL,Lit,Poly. Korea, Japan and Ottomans have 3 but lack Lit. Mongols have only Math. Great trade opportnities if only we had the cash. 3gpt with china for 5 more turns, 6gpt for 8 more turns. Hopefully trade opportunities will still exist to get caught up. Sell WM all around.
(4)1400BC
Chinese warrior runs away from barb camp. Archer runs towards.
Zulu and Babylon start Great Library.
Workers finish Gems mountain road and move S to help complete road to Delhi. Archer (S) moves W and ends next to a barb camp. Sell WM all around.
(5)1375BC
Worker stack start mine. Archer side steps camp as he would be attacking cross river. Bangalore founded>warrior. Temple would be a next good build.
(6)1350BC
Chinese request 130g for Math. No way.
Bombay warrior>barracks.
Madras worker>warrior.
Worker joins chopping effort. Warrior to Delhi for escort duty. Archer kills warrior on camp, promotes to 2/4 and sees horse appear. Delhi switched to barracks from its settler. I want a few more turns of growth as building settler will take us back to size 1 and kill our economy. Retask Bombay warrior to scout the south again making sure we're not barbed. Sell WM all around.
(7)1325BC
Worker stack split leaving 1 to improve Bombay and other two to make another BG mine on the river of Delhi. Calcutta founded>worker. We want irrigation on the FP and have no spare workers to bring up there. Archer moves onto hill by camp. He will heal there before attacking. Sell WM all around.
(8)1300BC
Barb approaches Madras.
Madras MP woken and moved to hill. If barb comes out of forest onto ivory, we'll attack from the hill. Archer fortifies to heal. Can't sell WM for anything.
(9)1275BC
Chinese kill an unseen foe (think it's probably barb camp where warrior came from.
Barb warrior appears from the S. Barb warrior moves onto ivory.
Ottomans have a city on the dyes. So much for that.
Warrior kills barb on ivory. Move our explorers, bringing them home. It's to much trouble to walk them through all the territories and there will be work for them when they return. Wake 3/4 archer and kill horse to take 25g from barbs.
Literature from China for WM, 155g.
Code of Laws from Korea for Literature, 1gpt and 22g, WM.
Japan TM+53g for Literature.
Polytheism for Literature 9g and 2gpt.
Math, TM and 22g from Mongols for Polytheism.
WM for 1g from all other civs.
(10)1250BC
Barb warrior kills our warrior fortified on the mountain.
Delhi barracks>settler.
Civs start GLibrary.
Spear from Dehli woken and covers worker stack.
Bombay switch from barrack to spear.
Nothing big to note. Watch the barbs. More comments tomorrow.The save
BT Ottomans complete colossus. Babs switch to Lighthouse.
(1) 1500BC
Madras warrior>warrior.
Bombay worker>warrior.
New warrior to delhi for escort. New worker to gems to speed road.
Warrior and archer explore. See 1-tile island in the south. Settler pair moves to iron hill next to barb warrior. Worker done roading forest E to BG to complete gems road and help Bombay. Bombay MM-Shields, grow in 1. Sell WM all around.
BT Chinese archer kills barb next to our settler pair.
They start Lighthouse, so does Japan.(2)1450BC
Ivory connected
Acher near Ta-Tu move to coast. Ivory slave moves to chop forest in Delhi. Workers start roads. Settler continues north with escort. Slider turn off Luxuries. Big sheild overrun on settler can't be fixed with MM. Sell WM all around.
(3)1425BC
Chinese units are spoiling the landscape.
Delhi settler>settler.
Zulu's establish embassy with us.
Settler sent to plains S of FP near Iron. Warrior escorts him. Settler spear pair NE because chinese warrior in the way. See barb camp in the distance with a chinese warrior next to it. Will be a good show between turns.
Polytheism and Literature are now out. (min sci would not have succeeded)
Chinese, Zulu and Babylon have Math,CofL,Lit,Poly. Korea, Japan and Ottomans have 3 but lack Lit. Mongols have only Math. Great trade opportnities if only we had the cash. 3gpt with china for 5 more turns, 6gpt for 8 more turns. Hopefully trade opportunities will still exist to get caught up. Sell WM all around.
(4)1400BC
Chinese warrior runs away from barb camp. Archer runs towards.
Zulu and Babylon start Great Library.
Workers finish Gems mountain road and move S to help complete road to Delhi. Archer (S) moves W and ends next to a barb camp. Sell WM all around.
(5)1375BC
Worker stack start mine. Archer side steps camp as he would be attacking cross river. Bangalore founded>warrior. Temple would be a next good build.
(6)1350BC
Chinese request 130g for Math. No way.
Bombay warrior>barracks.
Madras worker>warrior.
Worker joins chopping effort. Warrior to Delhi for escort duty. Archer kills warrior on camp, promotes to 2/4 and sees horse appear. Delhi switched to barracks from its settler. I want a few more turns of growth as building settler will take us back to size 1 and kill our economy. Retask Bombay warrior to scout the south again making sure we're not barbed. Sell WM all around.
(7)1325BC
Worker stack split leaving 1 to improve Bombay and other two to make another BG mine on the river of Delhi. Calcutta founded>worker. We want irrigation on the FP and have no spare workers to bring up there. Archer moves onto hill by camp. He will heal there before attacking. Sell WM all around.
(8)1300BC
Barb approaches Madras.
Madras MP woken and moved to hill. If barb comes out of forest onto ivory, we'll attack from the hill. Archer fortifies to heal. Can't sell WM for anything.
(9)1275BC
Chinese kill an unseen foe (think it's probably barb camp where warrior came from.
Barb warrior appears from the S. Barb warrior moves onto ivory.
Ottomans have a city on the dyes. So much for that.
Warrior kills barb on ivory. Move our explorers, bringing them home. It's to much trouble to walk them through all the territories and there will be work for them when they return. Wake 3/4 archer and kill horse to take 25g from barbs.
Literature from China for WM, 155g.
Code of Laws from Korea for Literature, 1gpt and 22g, WM.
Japan TM+53g for Literature.
Polytheism for Literature 9g and 2gpt.
Math, TM and 22g from Mongols for Polytheism.
WM for 1g from all other civs.
(10)1250BC
Barb warrior kills our warrior fortified on the mountain.
Delhi barracks>settler.
Civs start GLibrary.
Spear from Dehli woken and covers worker stack.
Bombay switch from barrack to spear.
Nothing big to note. Watch the barbs. More comments tomorrow.The save
Tsukemono5
American Pickle
I got it but I shall wait for ControlFreak's comments to avoid screw-ups a la TSK 01.
amirsan
King of all Kings
Nice turn 9 . We realy needed to get cought up!
Belail goes next right??? Ok, knock'em dead!
. We realy needed to get cought up!Belail goes next right??? Ok, knock'em dead!
Tsukemono5
American Pickle
This was back on page three or four, posted by you amirsan:
Roster:
amirsan- Your Up!!
Takeo- On Deck!
Belial-
ControlFreak-
Tsukemono5- Just Played
I had requested to go last because I had just played the first 15, and Control Freak was next to last. Belial played before CF.
Roster:
amirsan- Your Up!!
Takeo- On Deck!
Belial-
ControlFreak-
Tsukemono5- Just Played
I had requested to go last because I had just played the first 15, and Control Freak was next to last. Belial played before CF.
amirsan
King of all Kings
sorry . I guess that shows how lazy I am to search a few pages. I thought it was something like that though. Belial
Warlord
Nice job on the trading, hopefully we can get out of despotism quickly.
I loaded the save and noticed the warrior I had put on the mountain to defend from barbs is still there. He was fortified so you may have missed him. Can the next person move him to search that other peninsula? We may discover something down there.
We also will want to start a harbor soon, we will have an extra iron that we 'may' want to hook up just for trade (no need, yet) and we also have an extra gem (or will have).
Edit: Also, are we playing ten or fifteen?
Also, Zulus established embessy? I don't seem to see that or any embessy. However, once we get out of despotism, it will be important we establish these, if not with just our neighbors to see if we can poach some cities.
It's also a good thing the ottomans grabbed that dye city, they're far north of us and that city will be pretty corrupt and easy to take. Hopefully we can take it before anyone else does.
I loaded the save and noticed the warrior I had put on the mountain to defend from barbs is still there. He was fortified so you may have missed him. Can the next person move him to search that other peninsula? We may discover something down there.
We also will want to start a harbor soon, we will have an extra iron that we 'may' want to hook up just for trade (no need, yet) and we also have an extra gem (or will have).
Edit: Also, are we playing ten or fifteen?
Also, Zulus established embessy? I don't seem to see that or any embessy. However, once we get out of despotism, it will be important we establish these, if not with just our neighbors to see if we can poach some cities.
It's also a good thing the ottomans grabbed that dye city, they're far north of us and that city will be pretty corrupt and easy to take. Hopefully we can take it before anyone else does.
ControlFreak
Not An Addict, Really
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ControlFreak
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