Ancient Astronauts?

[Winner]

You know that this "Aliens built pyramids and other stuff" crap stems basically from the Eurocentric disregard for other civilizations, right?

I mean, we don't usually say the Aliens started the Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization, no, that's us and we're great. E-e. But all these Egyptians, Indians, Africans, and other sub-humans non-Europeans, they couldn't have possibly built great things, now could they? Of course not. Somebody must have helped them, and since it wasn't us and we don't believe in God anymore, let's say it was the ALIENS from other planets. No, from other GALAXIES, rather!!! Sounds so much better.


So, unless someone finds an alien spaceship buried under the sands of Egypt, I am going to continue considering people who believe in this stuff as deluded idiots. No offence.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well no alien would have helped the germanic civilization if you mean the ancient one, since it was way too primitive

Although personally i heavily dislike the idea that Aliens are or were involved in human civilization, there indeed are some things which make it at least possible. For example even the history of the campaign of Alexander the great mentions a few strange 'miracles', such as a fighter on the side of Greece who appeared to have been flying.

Personally i would be more interested in the ancient civilizations being examined more as hyper-cultural ones in comparison to what we have today, since the average person in the west is under the deluded opinion that they had little culture or literacy.

 

[Winner]

Aren't all ancient tales spiced with supernatural occurrences, basically to give more legitimacy to the protagonists? If the story was like "OK, we came to this land, conquered it, raped the women (and boys), and stole all the riches", it might give people the wrong idea. But if one or two Gods intervened telling the heroes the cause is just... you understand what I mean

Simply put, to trust pre-modern sources on things like this is folly. Especially since these people didn't understand the basis of things like meteors, comets, earthquakes, plagues, and many other naturally occurring phenomenons.

 

[Bugfatty300]

You know that this "Aliens built pyramids and other stuff" crap stems basically from the Eurocentric disregard for other civilizations, right?

I mean, we don't usually say the Aliens started the Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization, no, that's us and we're great. E-e. But all these Egyptians, Indians, Africans, and other sub-humans non-Europeans, they couldn't have possibly built great things, now could they? Of course not. Somebody must have helped them, and since it wasn't us and we don't believe in God anymore, let's say it was the ALIENS from other planets. No, from other GALAXIES, rather!!! Sounds so much better.


So, unless someone finds an alien spaceship buried under the sands of Egypt, I am going to continue considering people who believe in this stuff as deluded idiots. No offence.

Well no alien would have helped the germanic civilization if you mean the ancient one, since it was way too primitive

Yeah it's not really Eurocentric. The aliens just couldn't be bothered to deal with naked hairy butt-scratching Europeans. Then over the years Europeans just inherited their work from the real civilizations.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

let's say it was the ALIENS from other planets. No, from other GALAXIES, rather!!!

No, they're interdimensional beings.

 

[Winner]

Yeah it's not really Eurocentric. The aliens just couldn't be bothered to deal with naked hairy butt-scratching Europeans. Then over the years Europeans just inherited their work from the real civilizations.

You don't get it.

It's Eurocentric because this nonsense started in the West. In our own understanding, we're the best civilization because we've arisen from humble beginnings, brought about modernity, and blah blah blah. As a result, many Westerners tend to look down at the achievements of other civilizations, especially those they consider inferior. And inferior civilizations couldn't possibly have built all these amazing monuments on their own, right? Hence, it must have been the Aliens (or other more advanced civilizations) who helped them. (See the desperate need some people feel to prove a connection between ancient Egypt and the Pre-Columbian American civilizations.)

Indeed, sometimes it manifests as a masochistic need to prove that the Western civilization itself was started by a more advanced one, like all the Zheng-He nonsense that's popular these days. I am literally sick of people trying to prove that Chinese invented everything you can think of.

 

[Kyriakos]

Is it solely a european thing though, or do other cultures have their own version of ufology and alienology?

I once heard on some documentary of the kind (i erased my memory of it ) that in India many people believe in aliens having lived with humans. I do not know much about India, but i will tell you that: their ancient architecture seems very complicated, not the stupas (which are primitive) but stuff like the Menaksi are literally looking like alien spaceships

I knowcause i had to model them for civIII, and they took a while and some math too.

 

[Winner]

Oh, I am sure the others have already picked that up (as they always do with things invented in the West, for better or worse). I predict the Chinese will soon flood us with their own junk history and conspiracy theories. Then we'll learn that Caesar was from China or some such nonsense

 

[Virote_Considon]

An uncouth barbarian like Caesar? Sounds more Xiong-Nu to me.

 

[GoodGame]

You're links bad. So Aliens stole pizza from the Koreans and gave it to the Italians?

It's possible!

 

[say1988]

You know that this "Aliens built pyramids and other stuff" crap stems basically from the Eurocentric disregard for other civilizations, right?

I mean, we don't usually say the Aliens started the Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization, no, that's us and we're great. E-e. But all these Egyptians, Indians, Africans, and other sub-humans non-Europeans, they couldn't have possibly built great things, now could they? Of course not. Somebody must have helped them, and since it wasn't us and we don't believe in God anymore, let's say it was the ALIENS from other planets. No, from other GALAXIES, rather!!! Sounds so much better.


So, unless someone finds an alien spaceship buried under the sands of Egypt, I am going to continue considering people who believe in this stuff as deluded idiots. No offence.

Well, Stargate had Aliens as (at least) Norse, Celtic, Roman, and Greek gods. And the Norse were the only ones that weren't evil.

 

[Lord Baal]

Is it solely a european thing though, or do other cultures have their own version of ufology and alienology?

I once heard on some documentary of the kind (i erased my memory of it ) that in India many people believe in aliens having lived with humans. I do not know much about India, but i will tell you that: their ancient architecture seems very complicated, not the stupas (which are primitive) but stuff like the Menaksi are literally looking like alien spaceships

I knowcause i had to model them for civIII, and they took a while and some math too.

India is the nation in the world where the ancient astronaut theory is the most popular. Erich von Daniken is a highly-respected public speaker there, and makes regular tours of the country. His books sell ridiculously well there to this day. I think this has something to do with Daniken's use of a lot of old Hindu myths in his books, which modern-day Indians, in their desire to be better than other nations, especially the British, have latched onto as proof of their own innate superiority. It's naught but superstition to believe in the ancient gods, but aliens? That's science!

Oh, I am sure the others have already picked that up (as they always do with things invented in the West, for better or worse). I predict the Chinese will soon flood us with their own junk history and conspiracy theories. Then we'll learn that Caesar was from China or some such nonsense

While the CCP uses that Gavin Menzies crap for propaganda purposes, he's not actually that popular there. They seem to think that he's a nutjob who goes too far. After all, Chinese superiority is just so obvious that they don't need such silly stories about it. They just have to pretend that the Mongols, Timurids, Huns and others were really Chinese.

Well, Stargate had Aliens as (at least) Norse, Celtic, Roman, and Greek gods. And the Norse were the only ones that weren't evil.

The Norse Gods also sucked in Stargate. Ba'al and Camulus were where it was at.

 

[say1988]

Yeah, I orginally had that they were the only "good" ones, but changed it to avoid misinterpretation. The best part of them was the reveal that the Mighty Thor was a scrawny little alien.
I never understood why, they could choose not to manufacture projectile weapons by the billions the moment they discovered that they worked against the replicators (see the development process of the first ARG) and keep using energy weapons that make their enemy stronger. Reminds me of the Federation and the Borg (but it is possible further testing off screen shows that projectiles wouldn't continue to work for them, proved otherwise against the replicators).

 

[Dachs]

winner denouncing eurocentrism in this thread is comic gold

 

[Plotinus]

Is there going to be any proper historical discussion in this thread, or should I close it now?

 

[Winner]

winner denouncing eurocentrism in this thread is comic gold

Why? I know I am eurocentric and I am proud of it. That doesn't mean I can't denounce its more stupid manifestations. Europe's manifest greatness shouldn't be besmirched by such idiots.

While the CCP uses that Gavin Menzies crap for propaganda purposes, he's not actually that popular there. They seem to think that he's a nutjob who goes too far. After all, Chinese superiority is just so obvious that they don't need such silly stories about it. They just have to pretend that the Mongols, Timurids, Huns and others were really Chinese.

IIRC they do claim that they "discovered" Australia first. Which might even be true in some sense, although it would be irrelevant as they didn't act on the supposed discovery.

 

[Lord Baal]

Hu Jintao claimed it in Parliament here when he visited a decade or so ago. It's the only time he ever did, so I'd guess he was testing the waters. It didn't go over well, either here or there, so they promptly dropped it.

 

[Pangur Bán]

The gullible of America ought to launch a class action lawsuit against the charlatans getting rich promoting this kind of nonsense.

 

[BananaLee]

should I close it now?

Yes, please

 

[r16]

ı just came across a discussion how Magellan nor Drake did not go around the world , apparently based on blogs of a Russian , and it was only in the 18th century that the feat was accomplished . It is supposed the Magellan case was invented by a guy who came up with Da Vinci drawings as well in 1804 or so . Though ı won't support that in any way . Revisionism for its own sake is the day's mentality . Revision alone is enough , no need for fact , truth or anything remotely like that . It is some market that needs to be visited and visited again to milk anyone around .

as the required joke , though ı must say there are no ancient astronauts as we vaporized them all .