gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Which is a bit weird - maybe fishing boats should be unlocked at Sailing, unless it's intentional?
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Lord Azalin Rex
Chieftain
Same here! During my last play, I've performed a lot of Espionage missions against all of my neighbors (most of them during peace time) and they haven't reacted properly to any of my threats, nor used Counter-Espionage against me!
That's the reason why I think that there is some kind of problem with A.I. Espionage in AND2... That's a pity, considering the fact that Espionage became much more interesting in this mod (promotions and new missions!
)!!! Could you guys please verify it? Thanks!!! 
Rezca
The Greatest Jaggi
Same here! During my last play, I've performed a lot of Espionage missions against all of my neighbors (most of them during peace time) and they haven't reacted properly to any of my threats, nor used Counter-Espionage against me!
That's the reason why I think that there is some kind of problem with A.I. Espionage in AND2... That's a pity, considering the fact that Espionage became much more interesting in this mod (promotions and new missions!
Plus the increased cost for some missions (Like Civic switching; IIRC AI can just switch out of this a few turns or even a single turn later, rendering the 100k+ mission entirely pointless) makes them hardly useful at all. I tend to forget that Anarchy, Nuclear Device, and Change Civics/Religion even exists the costs are so high. Might as well just remove them from the mod - the end result would be the same: No one would be using them.
Stealing Technologies gets real expensive after the Medieval, but once you get a dedicated espionage city or two up, and start getting those esp-boosting buildings in, it's not impossible to get the few tens of thousands of espionage points to steal the technologies (unlike the 140k, 190k, 230k, etc requirements for the above missions where the costs are too high for the result of the mission)
Lord Azalin Rex
Chieftain
Plus the increased cost for some missions (Like Civic switching; IIRC AI can just switch out of this a few turns or even a single turn later, rendering the 100k+ mission entirely pointless) makes them hardly useful at all. I tend to forget that Anarchy, Nuclear Device, and Change Civics/Religion even exists the costs are so high. Might as well just remove them from the mod - the end result would be the same: No one would be using them.
Stealing Technologies gets real expensive after the Medieval, but once you get a dedicated espionage city or two up, and start getting those esp-boosting buildings in, it's not impossible to get the few tens of thousands of espionage points to steal the technologies (unlike the 140k, 190k, 230k, etc requirements for the above missions where the costs are too high for the result of the mission)
I also cite the fact that, sometimes, the mission to spread Culture to enemy cities in our borders is not available, even if we have enough Espionage points to do so.
Unfortunately, spy units in AND2 share the same fate of Great Commanders: both are real cool, but only human players use them...
Pearls are not enabled as a resource until you reach Trade. Do you have that tech yet? Wild resources generally have both a reveal tech (shows you the resource on the map) and an enabling tech (actually lets you use the resource). Most of the time, the reveal tech and the enabling tech are the same, or the enabling tech comes before the reveal tech (strategic mineral resources have Mining as the enabling tech, but aren't revealed until much later in the tech tree). Some have a gap between the reveal and the enabling; for example, Spices are revealed at Naturopathy but not enabled until Calendar. Oil is revealed at Scientific Method but not enabled until Refining. The enabling tech is generally the tech that allows building the improvement that produces the resource. So that is my guess as to what is happening with Pearls; the seafood resources don't even have enabling techs of their own (Fishing is a de facto enabler because you need it to work water tiles and build Work Boats) but Pearls require Trade.
Side note: We need to fix some of the enabling techs. Apple, Lemons, and Olives are all enabled by Bronze Working; this should be Fermentation when Orchard improvements become available. Likewise, Obsidian is enabled by Mining, but this should probably be Masonry when Quarry is available.
Rezca
The Greatest Jaggi
I also cite the fact that, sometimes, the mission to spread Culture to enemy cities in our borders is not available, even if we have enough Espionage points to do so.
Unfortunately, spy units in AND2 share the same fate of Great Commanders: both are real cool, but only human players use them...
Revolution-spawned spies will incite revolts and sabotage buildings almost reliably, but AI competitors don't seem to do much. Some dozens of revisions ago, they'd sometimes poison water and sabotage production, but they mostly stuck to counter-espionage, stealing technologies (when possible), and sabotaging improvements/buildings.
Recent revisions however, yes - AI spies don't do nearly as much beyond just scouting.
On that note, I'd like to bring up again that I don't think the Instigator and Alchemist promotions have ever worked in AND. They're supposed to boost the effectiveness of these missions - pushing them past the default 8 or whatever - but they don't.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
I actually don't mind Obsidian being revealed at Mining - it's a nice and useful 
boost for early cities, and seeing it extra early can be useful
boost for early cities, and seeing it extra early can be usefulI actually don't mind Obsidian being revealed at Mining - it's a nice and useful
Revealing is not the problem (and Stone Tools is the revealing tech for Obsidian; Mining is currently the enabling tech). Enabling is what I want to adjust. Revealing a resource gets you the tile bonuses right away. Enabling is required to have a resource show up on the Resources list in-city and get the benefits from it. In fact, having the enabling tech appear before the improvement-providing tech gives benefits only to cities that are actually built on the resource tile, which is not something I think is a good thing. I was trying out Obsidian and having Obsidian simply revealed within city radius did not enable Stoneworker's Hut at all; it had to be Quarried and connected before the Hut could be built.
IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
@ Vokarya
On the Stonemason not giving 30% but only 15%, I actually updated the mod Via KDESVN a linux tool, installed that version of the mod, still 982, and it now works.
The only thing I can think of, is that linux has a problem with updating, or when you exclude files, but not the buildings description file, it misses others in the same branch of the tree.
i.e. its a python file for example, and I exclude the Civ4AltRt.py file at the top of the python branch, but now all others below it are also excluded. In buffy, modtools entrypoints, etc
I still get that python error printed up at games start. Mod seems to crash on loading after the "load_module CvGameInterfaceFile"
I think its to do with the path for linux and windows, it seems to have been altered somewhere along the line, it was working 100%, now it down to 12.5% will try something else.
No didn't work, solved the problem in basic BtS or bug being in wrong path, but still crashes on or after that file.
On the Stonemason not giving 30% but only 15%, I actually updated the mod Via KDESVN a linux tool, installed that version of the mod, still 982, and it now works.
The only thing I can think of, is that linux has a problem with updating, or when you exclude files, but not the buildings description file, it misses others in the same branch of the tree.
i.e. its a python file for example, and I exclude the Civ4AltRt.py file at the top of the python branch, but now all others below it are also excluded. In buffy, modtools entrypoints, etc
I still get that python error printed up at games start. Mod seems to crash on loading after the "load_module CvGameInterfaceFile"
I think its to do with the path for linux and windows, it seems to have been altered somewhere along the line, it was working 100%, now it down to 12.5% will try something else.
No didn't work, solved the problem in basic BtS or bug being in wrong path, but still crashes on or after that file.
<Nexus>
Traveler of the Multiverse
Sorry, but anyone knows the answer for my question?
45°38'N-13°47'E
Deity
No, it doesn't slowly recalc. Probably new bonus are calculated with new values and old bonus with old values. There are some updates which are done from time to time in game but you'll end up with some bonus recalculated and others not anyway.
now i got it vokarya. thank you
<Nexus>
Traveler of the Multiverse
45°38'N-13°47'E;13886607 said:
Thank you
today i started another game with rome. at the very earliest stage of the game, i founded the city of antium, then i clicked storyteller circle but it finished the production only in 1 turn even if it had said more when i clicked on it. And then it said ' Antium can not overflow 941569 anymore so that much of is converted into 941569 
. Now I have tons of gold. This must be a bug.
anymore so that much of is converted into 941569 . Now I have tons of gold. This must be a bug.
today i started another game with rome. at the very earliest stage of the game, i founded the city of antium, then i clicked storyteller circle but it finished the production only in 1 turn even if it had said more when i clicked on it. And then it said ' Antium can not overflow 941569
That sure sounds like a bug to me. Do you have any saves that you could attach to your post? If you have auto save on you may have a save from just before it happened in your autosaves directory.
It's another symptom of the notorious overflow bugs that occasionally occur in the game. Afforess corrected a bug where you gained a massive instant deficit from taking on new vassals, so this is probably a very similar issue.
Lord Azalin Rex
Chieftain
today i started another game with rome. at the very earliest stage of the game, i founded the city of antium, then i clicked storyteller circle but it finished the production only in 1 turn even if it had said more when i clicked on it. And then it said ' Antium can not overflow 941569
You're a lucky guy! I wonder which story was created by this Storyteller Circle!
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
You're a lucky guy! I wonder which story was created by this Storyteller Circle!
Maybe it was Twilight
Lord Azalin Rex
Chieftain
45°38'N-13°47'E;13884782 said:
@ 45°38'N-13°47'E
Answering your question: Yes. Again, in my current game (with the Chinese - Wu), I've constantly used espionage against my German neighbors in peace time and their answer was inexistent. It's important to say is that not even one of my spies was caught (so my reputation with German wasn't prejudiced by espionage).
Considering the facts exposed above, I wonder if the AI code cited by you above only allows an AI player to recognise a espionage threat if it's able to catch a foreign spy or, at least, realize it was a target of foreign espionage (which seems obvious
). In my case, I always focus the first three spy promotions in detection avoidance. This may be the cause of AI's dormancy in terms of espionage: human efficiency in not being detected! 
I'm not sure if this is the real problem, but it's worth a try.
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