Another Gross Miscarriage of Justice In The US Military?

Actually, pardon/mitigation is part of the system, in order to have trust in it (the system) one needs to accept the fact that pardons/mitigations are part of it and will occur from time to time.
and from time to time changes are made to the system,especially when people do things that brings the millitary into disrepute... unless its that that makes you cling to the belief you and your group are immune to change...

Similar situations occur (probably more so) in civilian/criminal court. I dont hear you clamoring about improving that.
well perhaps somebody should start a thread on that...
Anyway, again, 1 instance out of tens of thousands of cases simply isnt proof the system needs 'improving' at all.

not to mention the Calley pardon and how that put a stop to the other 86 cases that would have gone ahead... yep, Nixon another example of good US justice and pardons for the boys...

I think you will be generally shocked when/if, you realise the system is always being improved, after all did not the Calley incident, create a good career path for you in the greatly expanded justice sector of the military...
 

Nice, this link actually confirms several of the comments i've offered in this thread.

Of key interest here is a mention that LTG Franklin acted contrary to his advising counsel. That's a bad no-no in the military; and fwiw, I think LTG Franklin himself could face serious consequences of this decision. As he should, if he ignored the advice from his own attorney on it.

it was recommended to allow him to keep his retirement benifits,so look after the good old boys again ... it was not intended as any form of punishment, but as a reward for their mate!!!

Do you think it fair and equitable for someone to lose an entire career's worth of benefits that also affects their family as well over a single incident? The system is generally very loath to remove someones entire retirement benefit except for the most extreme reasons. I've often joked with co-workers that just about the only way for you to lose your retirement is to kill someone; and while that was offered tongue-in-cheek it also has an air of truth to it. No one should lose a lifetimes worth of effort over one single bad decision unless it was a really, really awful crime. In other words, the entire span of their service should also be given weight in such a consideration, and it shouldnt be made lightly.

Pat said:
As to your unlinked article above I don't trust it until you provide a link as it contradicts what Mobboss said concering the CA's authority, ie he can "pardon" or reduce sentancing but can't convict or increase sentencing (just like the US Presiden). Moboss, can you clarify?

The answer is from the information from the UCMJ I offered earlier. 860 Art 60 (e) (2) (C): "increase the severity of some article of the sentence unless the sentence prescribed for the offense is mandatory."

For example, if the crime convicted of carries a mandatory 2 year sentence, he cant increase it further, but if the charge carries a time range, say 1 to 2 years, he can increase it to the 2 year mark if the court only gave the convicted a 1 year sentence.

So, he can, but is limited in it. It is a far more common practice to not exceed or increase a courts recommendation on such charges; and in other formats, like NJP, or admin sep; the convening/appelate authority is limited to the recommendations of the issuing board/jury/officer.
 
Nice, this link actually confirms several of the comments i've offered in this thread.

Of key interest here is a mention that LTG Franklin acted contrary to his advising counsel. That's a bad no-no in the military; and fwiw, I think LTG Franklin himself could face serious consequences of this decision. As he should, if he ignored the advice from his own attorney on it.
yet you still seem to hold the view that,it dose not matter, because the system allows
''Court-martial convening authorities may overturn verdicts or reduce sentences “for any reason or no reason,” according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, although tossing out a conviction is exceedingly rare.
I am not disagreeing with a lot of your points, just emphasing the "on a whim" and the fact that some of these actions bring dishonour to the service
Do you think it fair and equitable for someone to lose an entire career's worth of benefits that also affects their family as well over a single incident? The system is generally very loath to remove someones entire retirement benefit except for the most extreme reasons.
no, I clearly understand how hard a decission LTG Franklin made... an extra year in prison to up hold the honour of the service (with retirement benifits) against, lets make the whole thing go away for our flying buddy,
 
and from time to time changes are made to the system,especially when people do things that brings the millitary into disrepute... unless its that that makes you cling to the belief you and your group are immune to change...

I've never had the belief that the military is immune to change. Hell, I saw a great deal of change during my 26 years of service.

not to mention the Calley pardon

You just mentioned change. Do you really think the military today is the same as it was then?

Hell no.

and how that put a stop to the other 86 cases that would have gone ahead... yep, Nixon another example of good US justice and pardons for the boys...

Evidence of something like that occuring nearly 50 years ago isnt evidence of the same thing occuring today.

I think you will be generally shocked when/if, you realise the system is always being improved,

Hardly, i've been witness to it far more than you have. I'd lay odds on them making an example out of LTG Franklin for his (possible) lapse of leadership for other commanders to learn the wisdom of following their own counsels advice.

no, I clearly understand how hard a decission LTG Franklin made... an extra year in prison to up hold the honour of the service (with retirement benifits) against, lets make the whole thing go away for our flying buddy,

You couldnt be more wrong about this, and frankly its a grossly unfair view in light of how many convictions are withheld against other 'buddies' as you would label them.
 
I've never had the belief that the military is immune to change. Hell, I saw a great deal of change during my 26 years of service.



You just mentioned change. Do you really think the military today is the same as it was then?

Hell no.
no, because something happened that was seen as wrong so the system adapted, by increasing justice trained personel and deploying them to theates of operation
so if this case, leads to debate by Senators who want answers, that too can lead to change... its a good thing, it strenghtens the millitary services
Evidence of something like that occuring nearly 50 years ago isnt evidence of the same thing occuring today.
No but it is a valid comparrison to the view that you hold, it is also not evidence that it can not happen today, that being the point the 2 senators made... it makes it hard for others to make complaints... so in its way it is still happening
Hardly, i've been witness to it far more than you have. I'd lay odds on them making an example out of LTG Franklin for his (possible) lapse of leadership for other commanders to learn the wisdom of following their own counsels advice.
seems a bit harsh expecting him to fall on his sword, when a change to the systems regulations would get the same result...

You couldnt be more wrong about this, and frankly its a grossly unfair view in light of how many convictions are withheld against other 'buddies' as you would label them.

See that is the crutch of the matter, when dealing with institutional culture change, just because you would do the right thing, you belive the institution will do the right thing, and clearly here, LTG Frankling did not think such a sh/tstorm would come about with his decision, altho legal, flew in the face of his advice, it's a cultural thing, the trust in the guy, in the trench with you, is all that matters...

thats why systems have to change, the culture in society has changed, it does not mean you abandon everything, but change means that guy in the trench with you could be a dame
 
first off, my assumption of guilt is based on the confidence I have in the US justice system, which I acutally extend to the US military...
that they can do something right.

CA review IS the justice system.

Yet you started no threads denouncing Obama's presidential pardons that are completely at his whim according to you. No threads about the thousands of appeals cases that threw out jury verdicts...

Surely you remain stalwart in your conviction that all those people are actually guilty! A jury said so! The reasons for a court of appeals's decisions are immaterial, you and Barbara Boxer just know!
 
CA review IS the justice system.

Yet you started no threads denouncing Obama's presidential pardons that are completely at his whim according to you.
I am an Australian/Brit, so forgive me if I don't start threads on Obama...
But I would likely critique them, as lacking in procedure, and smelling of cronyism
No threads about the thousands of appeals cases that threw out jury verdicts...
Surely you remain stalwart in your conviction that all those people are actually guilty! A jury said so! The reasons for a court of appeals decisions are immaterial, you and Barbara Boxer just know!

and why on earth, would someone advocating for courts to have an appeal system, that dose not rely on someone, just feeling like, just letting someone off, just because its Wednesday, have any inclination to oppose properly ordered and regulated appeals system and processes
 
It looks like this case may indeed forever change the absurd UCMJ system after all:

Hagel orders review of UCMJ after Wilkerson sex assault case

Responding to growing political uproar over an Air Force lieutenant general’s decision to throw out a fighter pilot’s jury conviction for aggravated sexual assault, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has ordered an investigation into the case and a review of the provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice that empower commanders to overrule the verdicts of court-martial juries.

In a March 7 letter written to Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., one of several senators who have expressed outrage over the case of Lt. Col. James Wilkerson, Hagel said he had ordered the probe into the decision by Air Force Lt. Gen. Craig Franklin to dismiss Wilkerson’s sexual assault conviction and reinstate him to the Air Force.

“I believe this case does raise a significant question whether it is necessary or appropriate to place the convening authority in the position of having the responsibility to review the findings and sentence of a court-martial, particularly prior to the robust appellate process made available by the UCMJ,” Hagel wrote.

Hagel indicated that review of the case had already begun.

“I have directed the Secretary of the Air Force, in coordination with the Acting General Counsel of the Department of Defense, to review this case to assess whether all aspects of the UCMJ were followed, and, after consultation with the Secretaries of the Army and the Navy, to report to me on whether the case points to changes that should be considered in the UCMJ, or in the military services’ implementation of the UCMJ and, if so, what changes should be made,” Hagel wrote.

Hagel also told Boxer that he did not have the authority under the Uniform Code of Military Justice to overturn the case dismissal.

Boxer was among several senators who last week wrote Hagel to ask him to look into the matter and join her in working to remove commander discretion in sexual assault case dispositions.

Hagel’s letter underscored the continuing fallout from the case. Critics of the way the military handles sexual assault incidents called it the “poster child” for what’s wrong with the military justice system.

In overruling the jury’s verdict, Franklin, himself a fighter pilot, had disregarded the recommendation of his staff lawyer, who had advised him that defense claims of legal errors in the court-martial were “without merit.”

The adviser, Col. Joseph Bialke, recommended that Franklin approve Lt. Col. James Wilkerson’s conviction but modify his sentence to double his time in prison from one to two years and also reverse his dismissal from the service.

Reversing the dismissal would have allowed Wilkerson and his family to collect retirement pay and benefits.

Instead, Franklin’s decision matched the advice from Wilkerson’s defense lawyer, Frank Spinner.

“(T)he findings of guilty should be set aside and dismissed because the government failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,” Spinner wrote to Franklin, Third Air Force commander and the authority who convened Wilkerson’s court-martial.

“The law gives you, personally, tremendous power to do justice,” said Spinner’s letter, a copy of which was reviewed by Stars and Stripes.

“I challenge you to do the right thing for the right reason.”


Court-martial convening authorities may overturn verdicts or reduce sentences “for any reason or no reason,” according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, although tossing out a conviction is exceedingly rare.

Franklin dismissed the case because he had “concluded that the entire body of evidence was insufficient to meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt,” according to a written statement from the Third Air Force.

“We appealed to his conscience,” Spinner said Monday.

“I believe he was not personally convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of Lt. Col. Wilkerson’s guilt. I don’t know why people can’t respect that.”

Franklin’s dismissal of the case has angered some lawmakers concerned about high rates of sexual assault in the military and a military justice system that victims’ advocates say still discounts victims and excuses offenders. It has been called a “tipping point” that could change the Uniform Code of Military Justice to strip commanders of discretionary power in sexual assault case disposition.

Three U.S. senators last week demanded investigations into the case by top defense officials.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat and a senior member of the Senate Armed Services committee, sent a letter to Air Force Chief of Staff Mark A. Welsh III saying Franklin had shown “ignorance, at best, and malfeasance, at worst” and perhaps should be relieved of command.

On Tuesday, Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier is expected to introduce legislation to remove commanders’ powers to overturn verdicts or reduce sentences handed down by military judges and juries.

On Wednesday, the case is expected to be discussed at a Senate hearing with witnesses to include victims’ advocates and the military’s top lawyers.

Wilkerson, 44, was the 31st Fighter Wing inspector general at Aviano Air Base, Italy, an “Air Force superstar,” according to a February 2012 performance evaluation. The next month, the F-16 pilot was accused by a civilian physician assistant he’d met only that night of groping her as she lay sleeping in a guest room after an impromptu party at the Wilkerson home.

The assault ended, the woman testified at the court martial, as she was awakened by feelings of “discomfort” as she was being groped, and simultaneously a light came on. She said she saw Wilkerson’s face inches from her own and Wilkerson’s wife, who had invited her to stay over when she was left at the party without a ride back to the base, standing in the doorway.

Wilkerson’s wife ordered her out, she said, and she walked away, shoeless, around 3 a.m.

His wife told the jury that she had asked the woman to leave because she was making noise and being “erratic.”

She testified that afterward, she had felt bad, gotten in the car and made a fruitless search for her before returning to bed. She testified that her husband had slept undisturbed through the night and that she had not told him about those events until he awoke hours later to make breakfast.

Wilkerson did not testify at his trial.

Prosecutor Col. Don Christensen argued that the woman, a 49-year-old medical professional, had no reason to invent the assault and endure an intrusive legal process that could destroy the career and family of people she’d just met.

Spinner, Wilkerson’s lead defense lawyer, first told the jury that the accuser had concocted the assault because she’d had romantic designs on a colonel who’d left the party with someone else, making her set on revenge.

Later in the trial, Spinner argued that she had “imagined” the assault for reasons that might never be known.


Franklin overturned the jury verdict after a uniquely military post-trial clemency review that included scores of letters from Wilkerson supporters.

Wilkerson had been selected for promotion to colonel. In January, the Secretary of the Air Force removed Wilkerson’s name from the promotion list, “based on evidence considered in his court-martial proceedings,” according to a statement from the Air Force Personnel Center.

Despite Franklin’s action, the Air Force secretary’s decision would stand unless Wilkerson persuaded an Air Force board that his name should not have been removed, the statement said.
If what is presented here is true, it appears that either Franklin is an idiot or is incredible naive and grossly incompetent to have bought into such a bogus story. Either way, I think it is clear he is unfit for duty.

Spinner should also be investigated.
 
It looks like this case may indeed forever change the absurd UCMJ system after all.

One single incident doesnt prove an entire system 'absurd', Form. I mean as your the logical fallacy master, you should realize the logical fallacy in assuming that.

As to whether it changes something or not, we shall see.

If what is presented here is true, it appears that either Franklin is an idiot or is incredible naive and grossly incompetent to have bought into such a bogus story. Either way, I think it is clear he is unfit for duty.

I agree with you that he is an idiot and should have taken his attorneys advice. Unfit for duty? One bad call doesnt prove that either, but his superiors should certainly call him to account for this particular decision. It could very well be the end of his career.

Spinner should also be investigated.

For what? Being a good defense attorney? :confused: The guy did his job and apparently was convincing enough to get LTG Franklin to not take his own attorneys advice. I'd say his client got his moneys worth.
 
As to equating this with the pardon power, couldn't the guy receive a pardon from the Commander-in-Chief? What is the justification for the special lower level pardon, if that is what is is being argued as parallel to?
 
Do you really think the commander-in-chief is going to do a William Calley over a sexual molestation? This is apparently the reason why such powers are delegated to the CO level so the president doesn't have to make it so obvious what abuse of power actually means.
 
Do you really think the commander-in-chief is going to do a William Calley over a sexual molestation? This is apparently the reason why such powers are delegated to the CO level so the president doesn't have to make it so obvious what abuse of power actually means.

Again, the term is CA for Convening Authority. Not CO for Commanding Officer. For an organization like the 3rd Air Force there are quite a few CO's between the LTC's company commander to LTG Franklin, the 3rd Air Force commander.

And while you conspiracy theory is cute, it really holds no basis in reality.
 
Apparently only to those who try to rationalize and defend the indefensible.

But it does bring up an interesting point. When is the military ever going to become actually secular? Why do the fanatically religious continue to have so much sway, especially when it is used to just get them some cheap sex with the willingness of their own spouses?
 
Does the word "hypocrisy" mean anything at all in your tiny world?

Don't you actually think the military should be "secular" instead of largely in control of those who are clearly not? :crazyeye:
 
Don't you actually think the military should be "secular" instead of largely in control of those who are clearly not? :crazyeye:

Well, having served in it, it looked pretty secular from my pov. At least it did in between the prayer group sessions every other hour at work.
 
"Prayer group sessions" "every other hour" seem "pretty secular" to you? :crazyeye:
 
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