Broken_Erika
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I'm only bigoted against humans. Feelthy Homo Sapiens!
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Now that's a sentiment I can support!
Cloud_Strife
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That paints a hilariously pretty picture of Hindenburg. He was clearly no beacon of tolerance.
Lexicus
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I am shocked, simply shocked, that you would take this position.
Well except in the sense that he was a beacon of tolerating the Nazis in government but yes
Manfred Belheim
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Well from all the exchanges in this thread* it seems pretty clear that you consider pretty much anyone with any sort of right-of-centre viewpoints about anything (and probably to the left of this) to either be pretty much a nazi, or at least nazi-adjacent or nazi-enabling, and thus a direct existential threat to yourself. And how you wish to treat these people is to strip them of their rights, silence them, physically attack them, and possibly kill them.
You are not willing to tolerate any views that are anything more than marginally different from your own, and your intolerance manifests as a willingness and desire to take extreme actions to silence those views.
That's pretty much the definition of bigotry.
Note of course that how moral or immoral your core beliefs actually are is a completely separate consideration to how bigoted you are (or aren't) about them. I think your core beliefs and standards are actually pretty good and moral, but you are incredibly bigoted about them to the point where you're actually championing deeply immoral behaviours and actions.
I trust this answers your question.
(* that is to say from the earlier exchanges in this thread. Your recent statement that you only wish to protest against and ostracise people you disagree with is pretty much at odds with this, so if this is now the new position you wish to adopt then obviously I'd have to re-evaluate.)
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Because people will then continue to **** on each other over the definition of what/who, specifically, is absolutely intolerable. Which is why we have rights, but w/e.
Lexicus
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There some questions about what it means in practice though. Should the government just shoot anyone deemed to be a Nazi?
Rashiminos
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There's is no end to the paradox of intolerance argument. It's an infinite genocide loop until heat death. If it's unavoidable, praying for death is the merciful way out. The milder response is "get me off this rock."
Manfred Belheim
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It would be a good point, if it weren't for the fact that Cloud is bigoted against people who aren't even bigots themselves (remember that "bigot" does not just mean "someone who believes things I don't like").
Cloud_Strife
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Wait, why shouldn't i have issues towards a group that historically have oppressed me and have fought to delay equal rights for me? What the **** have i done to deserve their ire beyond merely existing? What crime have i committed for me to be treated like a second class citizen both legally and socially? And where do you get off somehow trying to distance the right from the consequences of their policies and positions? You seriously think i'm just going to let it go, the same people who for years have called me an abomination and have all but advocated for my non-existence? Get a grip on reality.
Just because conservatives are beginning to realise that their stances have an impact upon someone else and that hey, the social blowback might be too much to handle, doesn't mean i can't hold them in contempt for all the years they have supported and continue to support the same parties, the same policies that discriminate against me and other groups.
And to top it all off i have you trying to gaslight me and claiming i'm a bigot because i dislike the same people who hurt me.
Just because conservatives are beginning to realise that their stances have an impact upon someone else and that hey, the social blowback might be too much to handle, doesn't mean i can't hold them in contempt for all the years they have supported and continue to support the same parties, the same policies that discriminate against me and other groups.
And to top it all off i have you trying to gaslight me and claiming i'm a bigot because i dislike the same people who hurt me.
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You can do that. But we were talking about rights, weren't we?
The historic argument is rather tired. Should I resent the "Russians", because "they"'ve done horrible things to "me" historically? Or the "Swedes" for basically colonising "my" country for 700 years? Or racializing "me" as an inferior in the past? This all happened hundreds of years ago, of course, but where is the cut off point for historic greavance? Eh, this might be a topic for another thread...
Cloud_Strife
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Rashiminos
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The difference being?
Cloud_Strife
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That they aren't somebodies distant ancestors, but people living today. What about that is difficult for you to parse? I understand your compulsive need to defend the more regressive sections of society but your gimmick is wearing thin.
Fair enough, the cut off point is a lifetime then. That's fair. But still, you didn't answer what kind of restrictions you would like on the Nazis (and conservatives?) speech. I would be very interested to hear in all sincerity, because the way the discussion is going, I'm agreeing with the positions you are elaborating here.
Rashiminos
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It's different this time, is it?
Cloud_Strife
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Advocation of abuse or persecution. Incitement as well.
Mike Pence, a man who has nothing but hate in his heart for LGBT people, in this year of our lord 2019, is literally the vice president.
But hey, go ahead and tell me more about how the bigots are suddenly gone, even as they continue to run parts of the government
Rashiminos
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Nah man. The parts get recast, but the play is still the same.
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