Antisemitism

[Borachio]

I'm no more happy with the use of the term antisemitism than I am with the term racism.

And, like race, we'd be better off, imo, if we all forgot that there was anything like different religions.

How can one religion be "better" than another? Isn't it more than likely that either no religion holds the truth or all religions hold a grain of truth?

And why one group, or several groups, of people think that not eating shellfish or pork makes them "better" than people who do escapes me completely.

 

[Leoreth]

Furthermore, semitic isn't even used anymore to describe the language group containing Hebrew, Arabic etc.

The meaning of words can change based on their use who would have thought

 

[onedreamer]

Jews were perhaps the most discriminated group

I should vote you are always wrong but let me just say a couple of things on this statement. First Jews are far (VERY far) from being the most discriminated group, but they are certainly at the top for playing the victims. I don't know of any peoples who managed to be one of the most discriminatory and intolerant like the Jews and at the same time play the victims of such behaviour, for millennia, like the Jews.
Second, as you have partially mentioned, the Jews are self-discriminatory. They do not accept any exchange with other cultures that isn't limited to money. Their holy writings claim they are the people elected by God.
I am a person who likes to study and understand cultures and peoples accross the world, I have met several Jews, I tried to be friends with one at school but his parents managed to prevent it and in the end I was never able to have decent relationships with any of them and the reason, to put it plainly and simply, is that Jews are racists, which is also the reason why they have attracted so much hate upon them.
Of course, exceptions exist like for anything in general.

Moderator Action: This goes too far into outright anti-Semitism to be allowable here. Statements like "They do not accept any exchange with other cultures that isn't limited to money" and "Jews are racists" are blanket negative stereotypes that are inappropriate for this forum, similar to statements like "Muslims are terrorists" or "Blacks are criminals".
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Leoreth]

Huh. I don't care much about the thread's topic but it's certainly a good way to adjust my opinion of several people posting in this forum.

 

[Domen]

I'm no more happy with the use of the term antisemitism than I am with the term racism.

And, like race, we'd be better off, imo, if we all forgot that there was anything like different religions.

How can one religion be "better" than another? Isn't it more than likely that either no religion holds the truth or all religions hold a grain of truth?

And why one group, or several groups, of people think that not eating shellfish or pork makes them "better" than people who do escapes me completely.

Jews are not just a religious group but first of all they are an ethnic group, or a nation consisting of a few ethnic groups. They just happen to have their own ethno-national religion, called Judaism. Pretty much like ethnic Armenians have Armenian Orthodoxy and English people have Anglicanism.

 

[Tahuti]

Jews are not just a religious group but first of all they are an ethnic group, or a nation consisting of a few ethnic groups. They just happen to have their own ethno-national religion, called Judaism. Pretty much like ethnic Armenians have Armenian Orthodoxy and English people have Anglicanism.

I think Germanic peoples and Germanic paganism would be a closer analogy.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The Anglican Church is not just in England. We have it here, too. But at least in our case it's not the official state religion.

 

[Leoreth]

I think Germanic peoples and Germanic paganism would be a closer analogy.

Except that would expose why his position makes no sense. Not that his own examples are much better but whatever.

 

[Domen]

Germanic-speaking peoples are neither one ethnic group nor one nation, though. Germanic languages include both Danish and German, like Semitic languages include both Hebrew and Arabic.

[Proto-]Germanic people used to be one ethnic group, but that was in remote past.

It can be argued that Germany is a Pan-Germanic state (Ger. version of Yugoslavia), as it includes numerous groups, the Bavarians, the Saxons, etc., who melted into one nation thanks to ideology.

But the Danes or the Dutch or even the Austrians don't see themselves as part of that.

The Anglican Church is not just in England

And there have been also Non-Jewish ethnic groups who have been believers of Judaism.

Just to mention the Karaites (who still exist today) or the Khazars.

As for Anglicanism - where is it present, except for the UK and former British colonies?

 

[Leoreth]

Germanic-speaking people are neither one ethnic group nor one nation though. Germanic languages include both Danish and German, like Semitic languages include both Hebrew and Arabic.

That just further erodes your point, because as you said yourself, there are multiple historical ethnic Jewish groups, whose members may or may not identify with a Jewish nation.

 

[Domen]

Not multiple but at best a few. In the state of Israel these groups coexist without tensions.

 

[Leoreth]

Yes, but Israeli nationals are by far not the only Jews in the world.

 

[Domen]

Israeli nationals are precisely individuals from all the Jews in the world gathered in one place. They came to Israel from all over.

Many U.S. Jews have families in Israel, and vice versa. And Mouthwash, although born in the U.S., has moved to Israel - IIRC.

 

[Leoreth]

Yes, but

Israeli nationals are by far not the only Jews in the world.

 

[Kyriakos]

Singling out any group and then claiming they are Teh Total Planetary Victims, is not a good idea.

For starters if one claims he is special because reasons, this already causes alienation.
Furthermore if a race has the victim/special mentality it is less likely to be co-operative.

And it is a myth that there is any special such trait.

(PS, exceptions do exist, eg Germans are foverer tied to nazi horror )

 

[Leoreth]

Also, don't forget that the citizens of the Republic of Macedonia will always be associated with the glory of Alexander's conquests.

 

[Kyriakos]

^ Why are you using the thread to troll?



Anyway, if Fyrom splits, the new countries will be the Former Fyrom republics of X and Y. Eg FFYROMROA for the albanian one.

 

[Borachio]

Jews are not just a religious group but first of all they are an ethnic group

I don't know where you get the idea that Jewish people are one ethnicity. I'm not sure you even think so yourself.

 

[Domen]

Why do you post unrelated photos Borachio ???

 

[Borachio]

It's not unrelated. It's a photograph of Ethiopian Jews.